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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:20 am

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In regards to finding ryanjunk "too squeaky clean" - I did it before this game to thedocsalive. Take it as you will, but it's not flipflopping, it's consistent.
in 107 I wrote: I agree with everything thedocsalive has been saying, but for some reason, I detect some ulterior motive right now. thedoc has been very helpful, but something felt awry, and I don't remember what it was. Obviously, however, thedocsalive is not someone to focus on for day one. More can be read from the Orbiting vs. bandwagon arguments and I'll need to read more on those who have already voted Orbiting.
Now for my very very weak points on ryanjunk
in pos t 8 ryanjunk wrote wrote:OMGUS Vote: Lenneth
66 wrote:Heh, I always get an "OMG Lurker-scum" vote on Day One. I've come to consider it a sign that the game's really started. Anyway, I agree with Oslo's point 1 above;
randomness and bandwagons and all don't thrill me
, give me some meat to work with, people!
Can take that statement two ways - you're anti-bandwagons like me (which if you are, then this post is VERY suspicious), or you just don't like bandwagons for the sake of bandwagonning - which if this is the case, I understand your vote on Orbiting because it reflects 66, but it actually created a bandwagon which you never bothered to stop - which is why I initially suspected you - which itself isn't extremely scummy at all
88 wrote:I find lurking + content-free posting is a bit suspicious to my mind.
There's been so many opportunities this game to do it, why haven't you yet today?

Note: ryanjunk and centoaph have voted each other during this exchange.

ryanjunk later pretty much talks about how he likes to keep his vote on Orbiting and that's it for day one.
201 wrote:The only thing vaguely resembling a lead that I see is this Vaughan/ML junk, and I find that to be incredibly weak.
This looks sooooooooo pro-town, but to me, it's suspicious because the people that want to analyze the Vaughn/ML link might be looking at it because they had some tie to Vaughn or ML or have thought about it before. To me, it felt like your self-dialogue about Vaughn, a scumbuddy. It's nothing to prove, but interesting to note should things develop later in the game. In no way should the post be taken out of context because it's only my opinion.

the rest of ryanjunk's posts are fairly interrogative and look pro-town. yes, but since one scum is now down, there could easily be one scum who suddenly makes himself look pro-town.

Nonetheless, there is no case on him, I just want my points stated since I'm the top vote-getter and I want this analysis in case I'm not around the next day. He could easily be pro-town, but I just felt awkward about him and no one has really interrogated him yet. And I tend to suspect people who help the town a lot which is a bad way of playing.
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:59 am

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pablito wrote: I thought I've been clear that the focus for today should be on chamber, Centoaph and me. but now Cento wants to see ML as well.

It's not that I want the entire towns focus to be on ML. I just want it to be known that I see whats going on, and I dont like it. While I don't intend to try to get Ml lynched today, my vote is the only real prodding tool I have to let her know that i'm "serious".
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:17 pm

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If she's not reading, though, all we can do is get her prodded.


A few of ryanjunk's early posts are pretty lame:
ryanjunk wrote:Heh, I always get an "OMG Lurker-scum" vote on Day One. I've come to consider it a sign that the game's really started. Anyway, I agree with Oslo's point 1 above; randomness and bandwagons and all don't thrill me, give me some meat to work with, people!
(How about making some meat yourself?!)

I don't know that anything struck me as scummy. His pablito vote definitely could be seen as opportunistic, since there's already votes on pablito, and (as pablito said) ryanjunk could have asked for an explanation before voting. pablito seems to be working pretty hard to make his points, though.
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:56 pm

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When you guys want me to claim, just let me know. I'm very willing to do so.

I've been very aggressive during this day in this game. In the absence of much other discussion, I tried to see how people would react to my attacks. That, and people already started attacking me (but note I did not attack those who voted me - in fact, I probably egged half of them on into voting me). Aureal and chamber did fine with my attacks, ML and ryanjunk didn't and I'm not liking Cento's 301. If you want to see me interrogate others, let me know, I'll do it. I like to think I have a good nose for sniffing out scum.
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:36 pm

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My post was mostly to clraify that im not trying to start an alternate wagon on ML, its just that the only way I can voice my displeasure with another player is to vote them, and hope they take notice...
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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:38 am

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Basically, I still only see pablito saying "Everything ryanjunk has done seemed so pro-town, that makes me want him at the top of my list". And I think it's specious to say you don't want me gone. You don't put someone at the top of your suspicion list because you'd like to invite them over for Night-time tea.

I fully admit it's opportunistic of me to vote for pablito. As town, I want to get rid of all the scum, and this is a great opportunity for me to do so. Hence, I opportunistically
Confirm vote: pablito
for lack of providing any reason at all for suspecting me besides "Everything he's done has been pro-town".

You posted a list. I was at the top. Now you're trying to claim that you don't want to go by your own list at all, you want to focus on other people. Where's the logic? You just want to be able to attack me without actually voting for me, because votes look scummier than "gut suspicions".

If you all think Centoaph or chamber or whoever is a better play for today, I'm all for hearing it, but pablito is at the very top of my scumdar right now, so that's my vote.
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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:32 pm

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ryanjunk, I'm not saying I don't want you gone. I'm saying it's foolish to pursue this lead today of all days, see post 299. Again, you're misinterpreting my intentions. Just because I suspect you, it doesn't mean you need to suddenly suspect me out of the blue. You are justified in doing so, but I was testing your restraint. And who's to say that I'm just pushing you ryanjunk just to see what you'll say? Isn't that the purpose of the game?

Can I admit that I've been pushing people who haven't been pushed in a while? And that perhaps this day was again slow because mafia weren't being pushed? It makes me think that chamber and Centoaph are not scum. But that's a slippery slope especially considering day one's pace.

I don't think it's a horrible thing to say I've got a gut feeling, let me show you where I had that gut feeling, and I don't expect you to have the same read as I do, but let me tell you in the case that I'm gone tomorrow. If you use that logic, ryanjunk, then look back at chamber once again who doesn't even use logic in his suspicions and openly admits it.

I feel you're way too opportunistic and you've stayed in the limelight way too much today and you deserve to be scrutinized later.

But here's some questions to make you all think whether it be WIFOMish or not.

1) As top vote getter why have I been interrogating people who do not have votes at all (aureal and ryanjunk), but I've mentioned that we should focus mainly on
me
, chamber and centoaph. Am I doing this to ensure that we have dialogue from some of our town that is just sitting idly? Was I setting a trap or just being stupid scummy and acting all inconsistent? Why has Centoaph been very defensive on such a side comment that wasn't even a big part of my post 299.

2) I posted a list but I say that we shouldn't pursue my top suspects, rather what I've perceived as the town's top suspects as of late. ryanjunk must have known that he was my top suspect because he's the one person I've voted for today and no other. He suddenly is surprised by the latest ongoings. I also haven't pushed for a feasible counter-lynch. Am I doing this because I don't want to incriminate my-so-called scumbuddy or because I honestly don't know what the right option is right now?

I truly think that ryanjunk is the most likely to be scum, but he's doing such a great job that it's not showing. If he's pro-town, I will apologize for aggressively pushing against him. But it really seems that no one could get behind suspecting him without any further information, and I don't blame you.

I'll drop the ryanjunk hunt for now. I think it's enough. But please note that I tend to pick up on the smaller things (opportunistic votes) and try to make sense of it rather than going for more obvious leads.

@Centoaph, you seem to be taking something big out of my earlier statement on you suggesting ML. I almost forgot to include that part, and you've focused solely on defending your comment. Honestly, if you had never mentioned it again, I would've forgotten. I almost feel that you're worried that your previous statement will be taken out of context. But I also feel that adding another suspect could be helpful for you since you and I are the two vote getters right now. I can't say I've done the same, though. But please comment. I don't want april 20th to be a matter of lynching pablito vs lynching centoaph just because we didn't focus enough on accusing/acquitting you either.

In fact, stop lurking everyone. This better pick up Monday in case some are out for the holidays. Thus, if I'm going to claim Monday if I'm still the top vote-getter. I'll claim earlier if you want (in fact, I already may have done so), but I'm ready to claim at any moment.
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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:44 pm

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I mentioned the bit you're talking about for 2 reasons: One, so no one thought i was ducking the question, and 2, to give people something to talk about. I think you and I are operating on the same page, to keep talking even though every time we do, it gives someone else a reason to harp on us. I'd rather be able to hold somebody to a statement later on, when we dont have as much leeway. This way, if someone wants to bandwaggon me, or anyone for that matter, for something small they may have said, at least I know that later on, the rest of us can call them on it. I figure that I may as well say something stupid/bold to keep people talking then to let the day stagnate and end up like D1 did....
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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:23 am

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I've got limited access until Wednesday or so.

pablito, I'm not too anxious to hear your claim. I'm curious about why you seem a bit eager to claim, but there's probably no need for you to explain that now either.

At this moment I'd feel better lynching an absent player than pablito or Centoaph... I'm betting Lenneth/doublehelix is either a townie or scum, and when I read ML's posts again, she doesn't really seem that clean to me. I know lynching one of them is not the ideal move, but it might help us pick up the pace. Keeps lurkers/replacements out of the endgame, too.

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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:37 pm

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I want to claim. If anything it will get us moving in some direction even if it's against me. I give you people 13 hrs before I claim. Convince me not to claim before then and I might not.
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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:51 am

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My third post in this game goes:
122 wrote:
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o, chronologically it's been a long time, but discussion wise, it seems that there really hasn't been much movement either way.
H
opefully things can start to pick up - but I'm not so sure lynching Orbiting right now is the best option.
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specially since she hasn't really defended herself since the bandwagon really piled onto her.
R
ight now we should at least wait to hear from her, but if her defense doesn't make too much sense, I would not be against adding another vote to hear a claim from her.
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yanjunk, in your vote for Orbiting you mention that Orbiting seemed to be following Oslo's bandwagon, do you think that perhaps this could be a possible scum pair then?
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'm just wondering what you think, since you did put the initial vote on Orbiting for bandwagon-hopping.
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ote: Medicated Lain because I see it as the only viable alternative option to an Orbiting or no lynch.
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lacing this vote is not necessarily to start a bandwagon, but I make this vote knowing that the chance of most votes switching before deadline are close to nil since weekends tend to be slow not to mention this game.

O
rbiting has five votes, but one is for herself, so maybe she only has four right now?[/B]
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o wait, ML was not on that list, so it's probably at five still, my mistake.
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think a claim from Orbiting is well overdue. That last post was pretty useless as a defense when you were one vote from a lynch.

Unvote: Medicated Lain because the vote was made with the previous deadline in mind. Vote: Vaughn I didn't like that sixth vote before the previous deadline.
I got lazy on the FF=V and the Y=I, but you have to admit that my posts were very purposely laid out to spell something.

Sheriv Poni
/Sheriff Pony is an obvious inclusion in the game, which is videnced by Topato's presence. It's also very obvious that he's a cop. Threat smells like salsa and I get to smell one person every day. So far, my olfactory sensors have not smelled salsa. So please unvote unless you still don't believe me. Can we get onto other leads now? I've already hinted at my night choice and I had a specific criterion into hinting at it. Let me know if I need to bold my night choice, I can also explain why it was made. Unfortunately it doesn't give us too much info.

Half-assed
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for not wanting me to claim during the time she's gone. It's very obvious that conditions as they were would have lead to my lynch. Delaying my claim would have had focus remain on me as long as possible. Plus why should she have a say in how things go when she wouldn't have as much input during that time?

Also, doctor please protect me tonight - if it weren't already obvious.

Let the opportunity for counterclaiming begin.

We have only four days left. And remember, we like to stagnate this game, so that's like only two hours worth of time in any other game.
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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:52 am

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Oh yeah, ryanjunk has posted in other games lately as well. Post, please. An unvote will do.
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:55 am

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I'm also seeing that chamber, oslo, Aureal have not checked in lately either but have posted somewhere else.
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:15 pm

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I'm here, I have nothing to say, cent is scum, town doesn't believe me, end of story.

Ps:claimign was stupid
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:21 pm

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Hm, I'm voting pablito, aren't I? This game's going so slow it's hard to remember what's going on. :?
unvote, vote: Medicated Lain
, who hasn't posted since March, fer crying out loud.
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:45 pm

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I'm not sure what this obfuscated spelling was meant to prove. Even if you were scum, you could have planned out your roleclaim in this way. But, I still believe your claim, so I'll
Unvote
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:18 pm

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Okay, there's an issue to address. We have lurkers and we have active people (go Cento and KC!) and we have people who need to be replaced. I do not think going after ML is the right choice. We'll end up like yesterday where we wait and wait for defense and we get none because ML (much like Orbiting) is NOT HERE.
Vote: chamber
. I suggest we wait for ML's replacement to give us more information. Otherwise we are just going to lynch someone with less information that we should. Furthermore, I already stated that I don't think ML was scumbuddy with Vaughn. So confirming vote chamber.

Secondly, I applaud you all for checking in only moments after I claimed. It showed that my claim, while foolish, at least achieved the secondary goal of getting the game back on its feet while THERE'S A DEADLINE LOOMING. It also happened to achieve the primary goal of getting you fools off my back.

FOS: ryanjunk, Aureal and chamber
for conveniently posting right after I claimed and for not saying they'd not be around this weekend. I looked in vacation access thread and found nothing. But oh wait, as I said before, they posted in other topics but just not this one. And remember when I said that I would claim monday if no one objects? Yes, chamber, you had your chance to tell me why it would not be correct. But you chose not to do so. Instead you gave a response after I did it and you moved toward a non-entity. Very stupid or very scummy. Either instance warrants my vote.

I highly believe that at least one of ryanjunk, Aureal and chamber is scum because they have actively shown that they are watching this thread but not participating. I think it's obvious where my nose will be tonight. But today my focus is on chamber because I'm a bit frustrated from his last post. Hopefully I will get you three enraged and you'll finally give me that scum tell I've been waiting for.

I'm still pissed that being aggressive in a game THAT NEEDED SUCH A KICK and posting every other post got me so heavily scrutinized. OF COURSE I would be because I'm the only one saying anything. ryanjunk, feel free to re-vote me after tha t last rant. Since you know your last vote for me was so OMGUS.
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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:20 pm

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Whoa, in my rage I mistook Aureal for chamber. thus
Unvote: chamber, Vote: Aureal


Very sorry chamber, and I do suspect Centoaph as you do, by the way.
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:40 pm

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I'm back now.
pablito wrote:Half-assed
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for not wanting me to claim during the time she's gone. It's very obvious that conditions as they were would have lead to my lynch. Delaying my claim would have had focus remain on me as long as possible.
Ok, but I also unvoted you and suggested we vote for someone else. Does it really seem like I was scheming to get you deadline lynched?
Plus why should she have a say in how things go when she wouldn't have as much input during that time?
Eh? It's not like I quit the game. Why shouldn't I be able to give my opinion?

As far as the claim... I like it, because I have to believe that Sheriff Pony is in this game, and is surely a cop. I think you could have gotten yourself unvoted just by saying you have an important role, though.

I was wondering earlier, why is it that you don't find Oslo suspicious?

If the deadline draws near and it's looking like No Lynch, I'm voting ML. I agree, this could lead to the same scenario where we try to get a defense but can't. I don't think it's a big deal. Other lynch possibilities, like Centoaph, at least post and give us something to work with. I don't really think the town would be better off if Orbiting were still alive.
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:52 pm

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Half-assed
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I forgot what the variants of FOS are, but this one was not with strong intention. More of a note to self for later reference.

If any of you vote ML, then I'd like you to argue why voting ML is better than a No-Lynch or even better, a doublehelix vote. Then I can understand your vote on ML.

@KC, Yes I could have said I have an important role, but seeing that ryanjunk
still
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:12 pm

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To me a vote on ML is better than a vote on helix because ML did the same thing yesterday too. However, with the deadline looming, and her apparently not checking the thread as opposed to lurking, an
unvote
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I'd like to avoid a repeat of yesterday, because i actully do feel like its a big deal to lynch townies who arent actually around to mention that theyre townies, or just do it halfassed. This isnt meant to excuse the people that are absent, but because a lurker vote does no good if its unseen.

Well, I wasn't really suspicious of pablito, and I'm certainly not now after his claim. Even knowing that the scum got safeclaims, this one would be the best safeclaim ever, so, I believe it.

@ chamber: any reason besides what we went through before? And any particular questions from then that you feel I havent answered? I still have a few things about you I consider scummy, but not to the extent that I would say "chamber is scum" without laying out a reason why. I'd be interested in your thoughts on why too, pablito.
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:25 pm

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I highly believe that at least one of ryanjunk, Aureal and chamber is scum because they have actively shown that they are watching this thread but not participating.
If you've been paying that much attention to my activity, I'd think you'd notice that I'm having this issue with all of my games because I've been quite busy with work the last couple of weeks. It only takes a few minutes to read up on a game. To make a post with significant analysis about it, however, generally requires quite a bit of re-reading and trying to clarify thoughts, and so takes quite a bit more time and effort. I just spent about an hour and a half doing one such post in another game, for example.

As for voting ML, see what Kelly said above. We've already got the mod looking for one replacement, do you really think yet another's going to be found very quickly? I don't see why you're making such an issue about it. Why do
you
think that no-lynch or doublehelix would be better than going after Medicated Lain? If we've got little to work with for ML, we've got even less for doublehelix, as Lenneth went missing quite early day 1, and doublehelix made about two posts total and never really said anything of note.
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:33 pm

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I would rather lynch doublehelix than ML actually, just because it's going to be harder to have a good read on whoever replaces doublehelix. Either lynch is better than No Lynch, I'd say: We might hit scum, and we get rid of someone who isn't around to be interrogated.
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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:45 pm

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I agree that no lynch shouldnt even be consdered an option. While I would much rather lynch an active scum than a nonactive possible townie, to no lynch gives the scum another free kill. And, seeing as we had 2 kills last night, I'd rather not let them get a free day out of us. Even though we may lose a townie if we lynch ML or helix, they may actually be lurking scum, and thats a chance id rather take than just giving the mafia a free night.
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Tue Apr 18, 2006 12:55 am

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Ugh, I completely forgot about this game somehow. Full analysis coming at some point in the near future.
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