Newbie 1433 - Game Over

[SatanHellYeah]

Indeed, I'll let you for now. I'm going to catch some sleep. Pretty late here.

I wonder what will I find tomorrow morning when I get up.

[Skelda]

@archie
I am sure you would love Skelda's last post. Do you see the difference between that damn goat and me?

When I said you surely had noticed, without saying what, I thought you really had read it. You never were really scummy to my eyes.

Oh, is that so? Never really scummy, yet you accused him. How does that work?

As you can see, I explain it right now

Pushed you a bit, but my main target is, as always have been since I made my first reads, Skelda.

Then why did you ever vote for anyone else if I was always your main suspect?

To get you thinking I had forgotten about you

For things like that. He accused me, Ranawey, 2pac, Fuzzy and you Bob of being Scum.

It is good to accuse people, reveals their true colors. But, I've repeatedly said that I was reading 2Pac as town, and was leaning town on you and Ranawey.

True, and that's why your accusations were shitty as hell

That's 5/9 scummy people.

So what?

So you basically tagged as scummy more than a half the players in this game

In the other hand, he does not want to lynch Nominull, and claims to be the only one defending him. A bit too heroic.

You were all voting Nomni for what is clearly just him being a bad player, not scum. For a while, he seriously could die, and I was not willing to settle for that.

No He wasn't, at least I didn't think we could lynch him for that. And, as Ranawey said, everyone much defend him/her/itself

And now he states this: No one is getting lynched, but Archie and Fuzzy.

I wanted to see if any of those voting them weren't in it when their lynch became more likely.

I don't buy that

Well done, motherfucker, you have won my vote.

And you called me mean...

I apologized for that

VOTE: Skelda

After all of this, I must say your reaction is giving me a total scum read from you. I don't know how are the others reading this, but if you really are town, you are getting in big trouble. The thing is, I don't think you are town at all.

And why is that? What about my reaction is scummy?

Look carefully, scumgoat. I have already responded your notes. I did not suspect on you? Well, I wouldn't say so. I expressed my very first scum feelings about you in the very start of the game because I was forced to give my gut reads. But that's just fantastic, if you think that. It means my plan worked, after all.

And it does lacks security. Where is you rational, cold speech? The one you used to show...you know. And don't tell me this is because of my attack. OF COURSE it is because of my attack. That's the point, huh?

Boy, if you are not scum...well, that would be a quite unexpected surprise. As well as nasty. But, I keep saying it. My HoS is on you.

I dislike the immense uncalled for suspicion towards me, and I'm defending myself now. That isn't scummy, but it does make sense that my tone would change because I'm in a different place now.

But, what I really want to know is, what have I done to make you so certain? I am town, so you are either delusional or scum. But I couldn't imagine being so certain about anything at this point.

And I didn't see your notes before, but they don't really change anything. They are all rubbish, especially the one about making me think I had forgotten about you. That isn't an effective strategy for catching scum, it just sounds like you realized there was no evidence against me, and so you waiting until you could get some, not giving any mind as to whether I was actually scum or not. And regardless, I still think you are a newbtown, and Fuzzy and Bob are scum, but you are really pushing my buttons.

[SafetyDance]

Votecount 1.5

TheFuzzylogic99 (3): Mr_Ree, archaebob, Skelda

skelda (2):

SatanHellYeah, Ranawey

archaebob (1):

sthar8

2Pac (1):

Nominull

Mr_Ree(1):

2Pac

Not voting

: TheFuzzylogic99

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-09-25 09:00:00). With 9 players, it's 5 to lynch.

[2Pac]

@Skelda
It's a mistake to ignore me goat.

Straight up ignore my FoS,
I'll take away your breath,
Leave your goat carcass outside my house as a warning

Let it be prophesized; scum die because ya crew's goon
Around the way scum get murdered by the full moon
Heard it in whispered tones
scum is bold and they choose to roll
I kill em all, watch now townies truth be told

VOTE: Skelda

@Mr_Ree
Still not posting ish, righ righ, better answer me soon fool

[Nominull]

I ask everyone not voting for 2Pac (which is, uh, everyone) to try to imagine being at LYLO and having to parse that nonsense or lose the game. 2Pac is a liability and will become more so the longer he lives. Best to get rid of him now, while we still have margin for error. Other people will reveal more of their character over time, 2Pac will just subject us to more cheap poetry.

[SatanHellYeah]

@Nominull
Are you suggesting lynching 2pac...accepting the whole possibility of him being town..."while we still have margin for error".
You can't be serious. And if you're serious, you're probably scum. Or I don't know. I don't have a problem dealing with his rhymery.

P.D: Calling his way of expression "cheap poetry" will get him mad.

@Skelda
Well, I can't be all sure about you. I am not saying I can assure it. But I do say that my read from you is totally scum. Which, if you come to think it, doesn't say much, because of course, I'm a newbtown. So you needn't to be so nervous...unless you are scum and you are seeing your end coming.

I don't know man, but if the others vote for you, which we shall see in the course of the day, don't tell me you didn't show as scum.

@2pac @Mr_Ree
Yeah, I'm not comfortable with that either.

[Nominull]

Realistically, if you don't accept the possibility of the Day 1 lynch being town, you're just fooling yourself. You don't have any solid evidence to go on, it's very hard to rule out someone's innocence completely. We have to accept the reality of the situation.

And there's no real reason to treat 2Pac as innocent, in particular. He doesn't post all that often and when he does his poetic puffery tends to crowd out the actual content of his posts. I feel like you're treating being annoying as proof of innocence, which is both a bad incentive to provide and also just wrong on the facts.

[Ranawey]

Ffs, Nominull, I try not to read you as scum but it's like you try harder and harder.

[Nominull]

Speaking the hard truths is a town thing to do. Hardness harms you no matter your alignment, but the truth serves only the town.

[Ranawey]

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Unvote

VOTE: Nominull

[Ranawey]

Realistically, if you don't accept the possibility of the Day 1 lynch being town, you're just fooling yourself. You don't have any solid evidence to go on, it's very hard to rule out someone's innocence completely. We have to accept the reality of the situation.

And there's no real reason to treat 2Pac as innocent, in particular. He doesn't post all that often and when he does his poetic puffery tends to crowd out the actual content of his posts.

I feel like you're treating being annoying as proof of innocence, which is both a bad incentive to provide and also just wrong on the facts.

Note: you're annoying and you don't seem that innocent.

[Nominull]

Realistically, if you don't accept the possibility of the Day 1 lynch being town, you're just fooling yourself. You don't have any solid evidence to go on, it's very hard to rule out someone's innocence completely. We have to accept the reality of the situation.

And there's no real reason to treat 2Pac as innocent, in particular. He doesn't post all that often and when he does his poetic puffery tends to crowd out the actual content of his posts.

I feel like you're treating being annoying as proof of innocence, which is both a bad incentive to provide and also just wrong on the facts.

Note: you're annoying and you don't seem that innocent.

Well, that's a start.

[SatanHellYeah]

Goo god! Nominull it's like you want to be lynched, and you want it BAD!

But I am not giving you such a pleasure. My vote's not moving from the goat.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@Nom
Beside 2Pacs gangster postings can you name anything else that makes him scummy.

@ Runaway
Almost the same question. Except for Nom hyper focus on 2 Pac tell me why he should be lynched or atleast for me to vote for Nom

[Ranawey]

It's not because his hyper focus on 2Pac. It's because he's not playing to his win condition if town.

[Skelda]

It's not because his hyper focus on 2Pac. It's because he's not playing to his win condition if town.

The thing about 2Pac and Nomni is that, even though they are both unhelpful, I think that just comes down to playstyle, honestly. I think, though, that if you are going to vote Nomni a 2Pac vote accomplishes the same thing. As far as I'm concerned, it is hypocritical to call one scum and the other not. They are both unhelpful, but not scummy, so a lynch against them not only tells us little information, but is based on policy and nothing more. Call it what it is, a policy lynch. Don't try to pass Nomni off as being a legitimate scumspect at this point.

And Satan, careful there. You are starting to tunnel, and that is never good, especially when you are me and see a misguided newbie tunneling on town. Or scum, but I'm still not convinced that is your place in this puzzle.

Also, 2Pac, I honestly didn't even fully read all of your posts. They are a mess, and I can't be bothered with them. As far as I'm concerned, you are dead weight until you drop that ridiculous gangster act, and so me ignoring you is not scummy. You and Nomni are two of the worst players I've ever played with, and expect to get dragged to the end because of that.

[Nominull]

Also, 2Pac, I honestly didn't even fully read all of your posts. They are a mess, and I can't be bothered with them. As far as I'm concerned, you are dead weight until you drop that ridiculous gangster act, and so me ignoring you is not scummy. You and Nomni are two of the worst players I've ever played with, and expect to get dragged to the end because of that.

How can you say this and not vote him? Do you really think it's safe to have people in the town whose posts you aren't even reading?

[Skelda]

Also, 2Pac, I honestly didn't even fully read all of your posts. They are a mess, and I can't be bothered with them. As far as I'm concerned, you are dead weight until you drop that ridiculous gangster act, and so me ignoring you is not scummy. You and Nomni are two of the worst players I've ever played with, and expect to get dragged to the end because of that.

How can you say this and not vote him? Do you really think it's safe to have people in the town whose posts you aren't even reading?

Some of his posts are more legible than others, but at the moment I don't think the town is going to go for a 2Pac lynch, so my vote is better served on scum.

Also, I'm still holding onto him replacing out if we just ignore him. Or stopping the gangster act...

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@Skelda

I dont think either one is going to happen. 2Pac toned down his act for a little bit but than he went back to it. It also seems to me that 2Pac will play just enough to keep from being mod killed. Pac seems to be helpful at times but his act gets in the way and than he becomes more of a distraction than helpful. On the other hand if 2Pac was gone I think that Null would be more helpful. I think if one of the other was gone than we would less prone to the distraction and would be able to scum hunt better.

This is not to say I necessarily endorse lynching either one . I am just saying their distracting behavior is feeding off each other and it distracting the town

Saying that if there a reason to lynch them beside they are generally unhelpful and distracting than I would consider voting for them. I have not really heard a strong case for either one of them besides their distracting behavior and unhelpful town behavior.

@ Those sitting on Nom and 2Pac. I am reading both as very bad VT right now. If anybody who wants to make a case for a lynch I am willing to listen.

@Skelda - what was the deal with putting me at l-2 but not at l-1 especially since you seem convinced I am scum. This seems kind of strange

[Ranawey]

@Skelda

I do see 2Pac contributing.

318 is town.

Yeah, it's silly, he's not taking any pressure apparently. I got carried away.

Unvote

I'm going to sleep soon, gonna re-read the last pages tomorrow and see where I place my vote.

[Mr_Ree]

Good stuff in here. Catching up now.

You will be shocked and amazed when I reveal what I have learned about each of you. Of course... that will have to wait until tomorrow....

I should probably mention that I play 100% by phone. right now it's outta juice. I feel confident calling the scumteam now though and I can say with complete certainty 2 of you are solid town. Will go more into depth and post a read list in the morning.

[sthar8]

Even in your explanation of your gambit you say it was a reaction test so you cant play it off as a pure gambit ( even if it was not). You have lied and contridicted yourself which from I know is scummy.

First sentence: I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Can you rephrase?
Second sentence: It is very true that it is generally anti-town to lie, and that catching a liar is often the same as catching scum. There are exceptions to every rule, though, and to find them you need to think about the motivations behind the play. And, much like in any art, you shouldn't break the rules until you are experienced enough to know how to do it correctly and for gain.

#238 makes my teeth hurt. On the one hand, Bob is entirely correct that pursuing associative tells on day 1 is generally a waste of time. On the other, he presented information in his defense, including WIFOM logic, as part of a teaching post, which I find terribly scummy.

@sthar8
Yo hop on my Winnebago son, put those hammer-pants back on and lets get to stomping. We st8 ballin'!!

The killing comes soon enough. All the extra bits will be valuable in the coming days.

Also I'm not a big fan of outing towntells but pushing nom for his personal issues with 2pac is just silly.

Nom- How about you post something about a player who isn't posting in embarrassing stereotypes.

@sthar8
Why haven't you followed up on this playa?

Which? The idea that voting Nom for not liking you is silly? Because silly ≠ scummy. I don't like defending people whose alignment I don't know, but if we get close to a Nom lynch on that basis I'll make myself heard. Until then, anybody who wants to keep acting the fool is just generating more content for me to analyze.

Or the suggestion that Nom do something not related to you? If that's the one, then because if I'm reading him correctly he'll come around eventually. Whether he's scum or town, he legitimately believes that what he's doing is correct, and I agree with the principle if not the execution. At some point the two of you will reach a compromise or one of you will replace out. Either way, I'm not going to waste much time on an issue that reads null from both sides and has no game relevance. These things tend to work themselves out.

Pac, can you refrain from posting actual verse? The vernacular is clearly not your natural writing style and forcing it into a structure is degrading the impact and meaning. I'd be ok with a rhyme or two as a signature, but please don't put anything game relevant into the structure of a song. 262 hits the mix just about right.

And yet you think I'm scummy for taking things a step further and actually pressuring him to change with my vote.

All else aside, you understand that Nom's moral defender stance makes voting pressure absolutely worthless here, right? If he were to get lynched for refusing to play with pac, it would be a psychological win: he'd be standing up for his beliefs in the face of persecution. He'd be sacrificing the win on the altar of Right.

@Satan and Skelda- Please don't put your responses into the quote. That's a bitch and a half to read. If you really need to go sentence by sentence, number your points.

@ Mr. Ree- excited to hear it, as I'm suffering from a lack of conviction on this one.

My current top 3, in no particular order:

Bob- Still gets a spot. Still looks like he's looking for an easy wagon, and I still don't see much scumhunting, which he should be capable of. His argument on Nominull was massively hypocritical, and he appears to be more concerned with his appearance than anything else.

Fuzzy- Mixed reads. As Mr. Ree said "not sure if new or scum." Particularly, seems to be playing a surface game of rules without any motive analysis. This often indicates lazy scum, as they are already aware of everyone's motives. Also seems a little sheepy, which could also go either way.

Skelda- This one's pure 100% Colombian VCA. Skelda's vote appears to be made of rubber, and it's bouncing in a pattern. Second on the wagon twice and third once earns a reread and an FOS.

I'm not ready to lynch anybody yet, but my vote stays where it is.

[TheFuzzylogic99]

@ Sthar I have always been taught that lying is antitown and scummy so I had no need to try to dig deeper. I could not see a good reason for a town to lie. You do make an interesting point about lying not always possibly being scummy. I do not know if this is true but it is something worth considering and doing some looking up on the subject.

Hope this is correct bc I had to google some of the terms you used

You are saying that Skelda is using inaccurate blanket rules. Can you be more specfic on what blanket rule he is going on and why you feel he is scummy for doing so.

Also could you define sheepy and surface game.. I could not find them in the glossary or in a google search


Besides my last accusation against you can you me where I have gone by the rules and not tried to look at peoples motivations. I do not think I have done that but than again I could be wearing blinders.

[archaebob]

@mod: request replacement. family. so so so sorry.

[SatanHellYeah]

I'm not at all happy with this turn of events.