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Day 1, Vote Count #7
(0) RedCoyote
(2) tn5421 -- Salamence20, Haschel Cedricson
(0) d3x
(1) Not Voting -- Kthxbye
(1) Bookitty -- Mirhawk
(5) Kthxbye -- Generic, Not Voting, Squirrel Girl, Bookitty, tn5421
(1) Haschel Cedricson -- RedCoyote
(0) Squirrel Girl
(0) Lady Lambdadelta
(0) Mirhawk
(0) Generic
(0) Salamence20
(1) Natirasha -- Natirasha
Not Voting: d3x, Lady Lambdadelta
With 13 players remaining, it takes 7 votes to hammer.
Day 1 Will End on Saturday, June 28th, at 7 p.m. eastern time.
Countdown: (expired on 2014-06-28 19:00:00)
Countdown: (expired on 2014-06-28 19:00:00)
d3x is V/LA until 6/23.
Next time, we eat a burlap sack full of other smaller burlap sacks.
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I'm mad at Not Voting because his recent posts make me think my scum trio lineup is wrong in his case and I won't get a gold star at the end of the game.
I'm mad at Red Coyote for not coming back and defending himself or calling me scum or some other dramatic response to my suspicions of him.
I'm mad at Squirrel Girl because I can't think of anything bad to say about her.
Grrrr! Argh.
I'm mad at Red Coyote for not coming back and defending himself or calling me scum or some other dramatic response to my suspicions of him.
I'm mad at Squirrel Girl because I can't think of anything bad to say about her.
Grrrr! Argh.
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Meh, the main thing I saw and that stuck in my head when writing that was the 'ditto' to Boo's comment. Your p207 and 211 are fluffy and I don't remember you fluffing anything in vampire. Also, you never followed up on your question to tn in p206. Did/does it no longer matter?In post 239, Squirrel Girl wrote:@Kthx - actually, thinking about it, who am I letting lead me? I think the agreement with Boo is like, literally the first and only thing I've noted wherein I just pointed and someone else and said "yeah, that!".
Null. It could be he is town and simply has a brain in his head and is seeing exactly what I'm trying to get at with my questions that all the things you people are calling scummy aren't alignment telling at all. It could also be him being scum and setting up an 'I told you so' soap box for tomorrow after I flip....In post 297, Generic wrote:What's your read on mirhawk?In post 291, Kthxbye wrote:Omg generic, get the fuck off it. I didnt call YOU a fucking thing. Not one fucking thing. You can also get off the stupid assumption I know a single thing about you. I said you went full retard. First of all ITS A QUOTE FROM A MOVIE. Secondly, was in response to your reasons for thinking I am scum (which are still baaaad). Lastly, get over it as this is a forum game and slander is part of it. Do you see anyone else getting offended? It has nothing to do with a handy-cap you may or may not have and everything to do with you conclusion based off a crap thought process for this game.
Kyla Leon, Greasy Townie.
add "in my pants" to the end of this and you can see the crumb (assuming y'all take the time to check her out).
As I'm obviously not a female, guess what this is...that's right, another crumb.In post 149, Kthxbye wrote:I haven't laughed like that since I was a little girl.
Enjoy!
If you think I'm scum D1, bet all your money I'm town.
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Where is this soft claimed PR?
And why did you feel the need to put me at L-1?
If you really felt I was vote worthy, what about me name claiming tipped you over the edge to vote? There is literally nothing in your reasoning for voting me to L-1 that says or even hints that you think I will flip scum. Betting Jake was right about you all along.
Someone go ahead and hammer and then lynch NV and Sal in whatever order you would like.
It'd also be hilarious as more than 1 player hasnt even posted yet.
And why did you feel the need to put me at L-1?
If you really felt I was vote worthy, what about me name claiming tipped you over the edge to vote? There is literally nothing in your reasoning for voting me to L-1 that says or even hints that you think I will flip scum. Betting Jake was right about you all along.
Someone go ahead and hammer and then lynch NV and Sal in whatever order you would like.
It'd also be hilarious as more than 1 player hasnt even posted yet.
If you think I'm scum D1, bet all your money I'm town.
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UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mirhawk
Parking my vote here for now while I figure something out.
Your arguments here sound like a preemptive excuse for lynching town. Now, I can't read you at all, so I'm not sure that I'm right. Explain to me why you'd suggest he was trying to draw the NK if you thought he was scum?
Red Coyote hasn't posted in a couple of days anywhere on site that I can see. I would prefer to wait to see what he says (whether he is town or scum) before we end the day today.
Probably more questions later depending on responses.
VOTE: Mirhawk
Parking my vote here for now while I figure something out.
He claimed VT. Why would you be shocked that someone claimed VT at L-2?In post 305, Salamence20 wrote:VOTE: Kthx
L-1
Why on earth did you need to claim? And if it was to buy the NK by softclaiming a PR, why bother since it was day 1? This was a waste of time, fluffy, and caused a bunch of arguements that include, calling people a retard (unintentionally), and overreacting.
Your arguments here sound like a preemptive excuse for lynching town. Now, I can't read you at all, so I'm not sure that I'm right. Explain to me why you'd suggest he was trying to draw the NK if you thought he was scum?
@kthxbye
: This is unrelated to your alignment. If you unintentionally caused distress or discomfort to someone by making a comment that they took personally, do you think you could find it in your heart to apologise even if you meant no harm by that comment?Red Coyote hasn't posted in a couple of days anywhere on site that I can see. I would prefer to wait to see what he says (whether he is town or scum) before we end the day today.
Probably more questions later depending on responses.
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Okay, I remember.
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: What happened to your suspicions of me (the scum on your wagon argument)? Why wasn't I mentioned in that lynch lineup?"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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Generic #91.
Now maybe Im missing the point, but these breadcumbs he left incase he needed this claim is unnecesary. Also at L 2/1 did we really need to hear him claim early when we havent heard from Lady and the "other people who havent posted yet?" And whats the town motivation for softclaiming a PR?
Now maybe Im missing the point, but these breadcumbs he left incase he needed this claim is unnecesary. Also at L 2/1 did we really need to hear him claim early when we havent heard from Lady and the "other people who havent posted yet?" And whats the town motivation for softclaiming a PR?
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I don't know what the scum motivation is for softclaiming a PR in the way kthxbye did it, either.
When you said: Why on earth did you have to claim? Which claim were you referring to with that? The original breadcrumbing (or whatever) or the claim he had just made of VT?
When you said: Why on earth did you have to claim? Which claim were you referring to with that? The original breadcrumbing (or whatever) or the claim he had just made of VT?
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Here's my dilemma.
1. If I were a town powerrole, I would never make the comment kthxbye did in my first post.
2. If I were a scum planning to softclaim a town powerrole, I would try to think of what a real town powerrole would do and I would try to emulate that behaviour.
3. So, if I were a scum trying to softclaim a town powerrole, I would never make the comment kthxbye did in my first post.
Unfortunately, I already called kthxbye out on the fact that 1. is true. So he couldn't claim a powerrole even if that had been the plan. It would have been a bad plan anyway though.
Anyone else (you too, Sala) can feel free to weigh in and explain how I'm wrong on this. I don't think it invalidates any of the other things I saw in kthxbye, but I will do a reread sometime soon just to be sure.
1. If I were a town powerrole, I would never make the comment kthxbye did in my first post.
2. If I were a scum planning to softclaim a town powerrole, I would try to think of what a real town powerrole would do and I would try to emulate that behaviour.
3. So, if I were a scum trying to softclaim a town powerrole, I would never make the comment kthxbye did in my first post.
Unfortunately, I already called kthxbye out on the fact that 1. is true. So he couldn't claim a powerrole even if that had been the plan. It would have been a bad plan anyway though.
Anyone else (you too, Sala) can feel free to weigh in and explain how I'm wrong on this. I don't think it invalidates any of the other things I saw in kthxbye, but I will do a reread sometime soon just to be sure.
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Sure. d3x would prolly berate me if I didn't anyway.In post 308, Bookitty wrote:@kthxbye: This is unrelated to your alignment. If you unintentionally caused distress or discomfort to someone by making a comment that they took personally, do you think you could find it in your heart to apologise even if you meant no harm by that comment?
Sorry for any offense unintentionally caused by anything I say. I'm not truly an a-hole...
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Well, maybe a little bit, but this is a game and should be fun for all so I apologize. I will in the future make sure it's known explicitly that I think the thought processes and comments that I think are stupid are the things I call and refer to as stupid and not the person.
Nothing happened to them.....till this page. You just weren't the top of the list. You bringing it up gives me town vibes though so....yay you.In post 309, Bookitty wrote:@kthxbye: What happened to your suspicions of me (the scum on your wagon argument)? Why wasn't I mentioned in that lynch lineup?
Out of those on my wagon, seeing as it got up to L-1, I'd like to think there are 2 scum on it (to make it easier to find them). In a perfect world, all 3 would be on but that's very unlikely. In a nightmarish world (as I'm going to concentrate my efforts on these folks in trying to figure out who's scum), it's completely town driven which is just as unlikely.
Generic, Not Voting, Squirrel Girl, Bookitty, tn5421, Sal put me to L-1.
Generic pulled a lot of AtE with his vote BUT he was very very loud about it and though from my POV, the arguments and reasons he gives don't make sense, I don't see anything inherently scummy about his stances (if that makes sense). Basically, just because he's wrong, it doesn't make him scum.
Not Voting jumped on with a weak reason and then when called on it, produced parrot-like responses to justify the initial vote and staying on the wagon. number 1 scum imo.
SG isn't playing the town game I saw from her when I was scum BUT, she was spot on when she suspected me then and is wrong this time around. The inconsistencies could stem from being less sure. Not the top 2 but not super town from where I stand either.
Bookitty redeemed any negative thoughts/scum vibes I may have seen on this page alone. Leaning town now.
tn and Sal are about equal in scumminess where I stand. Bad vibes and fake/weak reasons for pushing the wagon along. I'd look to these 2 after NV.
Again I ask....In post 310, Salamence20 wrote:And whats the town motivation for softclaiming a PR?
As for why I crumbed....have you read my sig? Now why on earth would I have that sig? hmmm...me thinks you may not be able to figure it out yourself so I'll spell it out for you:In post 306, Kthxbye wrote:Where is this soft claimed PR?
I am more often than not suspected as being scum when I'm town....especially on D1's. I have thus adopted my play to compensate. Now of course, I'll have to crumb every game from now on, but it's much easier to crumb in your first post when you're crumbing your actual PM then when you are crumbing a fake claim (unless the MOD gives the fake claim when giving the real PM...omg, mind blown!).
To recap, scumspects on my wagon are:
NV, tn, Sal
Either lynch me today and lynch scum-NV tomorrow or switch to scum-NV today and start this game off right.
If you think I'm scum D1, bet all your money I'm town.
The part I'm still not able to get my head around with that claim i think someone has already touched apon.
In post 91 I pointed out an answer that would have made perfect sense as a town response to that question you were asked. Just replace rlavour with character.
"my excitement has nothing to do wih role, it's all about the character!"
That answer is not long winded, makes sense, and covered the question asked completely. But you didn't do this, even though you took the time to breadcrumb your character...
And that's the things that's bugging me the most about you. You made that ludicrously over explained and convoluted answer covering every eventuality, then when I showed you suspicion you failed to explain ANYTHING. You just began to handwave me away.
So I can't even relate that over explained response to later play, you did the exact opposite.
I'm also if irig the wifom of 'I always get suspected as scum D1'. It's irrelevent to determining your actual alignment.
In post 91 I pointed out an answer that would have made perfect sense as a town response to that question you were asked. Just replace rlavour with character.
"my excitement has nothing to do wih role, it's all about the character!"
That answer is not long winded, makes sense, and covered the question asked completely. But you didn't do this, even though you took the time to breadcrumb your character...
And that's the things that's bugging me the most about you. You made that ludicrously over explained and convoluted answer covering every eventuality, then when I showed you suspicion you failed to explain ANYTHING. You just began to handwave me away.
So I can't even relate that over explained response to later play, you did the exact opposite.
I'm also if irig the wifom of 'I always get suspected as scum D1'. It's irrelevent to determining your actual alignment.
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Do you do it as town, scum, or both?In post 298, Mirhawk wrote:Yes this is a thing I do sometimes.
I'm not entertaining any thoughts about RC being scum at the moment no.
I'm pretty sure you meant to say something else with the second half of that sentence. I think you said Red too many times.
My sentence is fine on the Reds though I suppose I didn't properly set up that the pronoun 'him' meant Kthx, which makes sense in context, but not in isolation.
Okay, now, hold up. Because I like some of your other posting here, but you're still married to this 'playing differently' thing with me...even though right here we've already establised that at least the parts of how I'm playing differently that you have described were proven to be wrong. Your other point was that, as town, I ask questions - it would be sickeningly easy for me to go quote a mound of questions that I have spouted off thus far. So, I'm not being lead, and I'm asking lots of questions...that basically seems to leave your "playing differently" belief on me...as...when I was town I suspected you correctly, and now I'm suspecting you incorrectly?In post 304, Kthxbye wrote:Meh, the main thing I saw and that stuck in my head when writing that was the 'ditto' to Boo's comment. Your p207 and 211 are fluffy and I don't remember you fluffing anything in vampire. Also, you never followed up on your question to tn in p206. Did/does it no longer matter?
Am I missing something here?
As far as the question to TN in 206...well, he didn't answer it directly, but he did give an answer in one of his later posts. His answer left me totally unsold, which is why I wasn't exactly leaping onto voting Salmance, because the reason was so tenuous and unlikely to my mind - I did say that at some point, which was really what that whole line of questioning was about. So if you hoped I was going to leap on Sal, no cookies, and as far as TN, I'm pretty sure that he thinks what he's saying is legit, and it's not alignment telling that I consider it a poor misrep.
Just to make sure I understand this correctly. Your case on him is that he was scum, soft setting up the ability to fakeclaim a PR, and then jumped the gun to claim a VT, and this makes him scum. Do I have that right? Because it sounds a liiiiittle nuts, and despite what you may have heard, I don't *always* go for nuts.In post 310, Salamence20 wrote:Now maybe Im missing the point, but these breadcumbs he left incase he needed this claim is unnecesary. Also at L 2/1 did we really need to hear him claim early when we havent heard from Lady and the "other people who havent posted yet?" And whats the town motivation for softclaiming a PR?
But, really now, is that what you're saying? And if it's not, could you clarify, because it's what I think you're saying.
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@Generic: Well, there is one thing for certain, you can't expect scum to play how you THINK they should play or town to respond how you FEEL they should respond....99% of the time this just doesn't happen. This is why mislynches happen.
Apparently. I can't put my finger on it exactly but it seems different. It could be because I don't actually know your alignment this time around. I don't know and don't have enough info at this time to try and figure out if it's your posting or my alignment that is off. Best answer I can give you at this time.In post 318, Squirrel Girl wrote:Am I missing something here?
If you think I'm scum D1, bet all your money I'm town.
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Kthx claimed VT at L-2 when there was no intent of hammer or any true danger of lynching (We still need to hear from the lady, RC, HC, and Nati, also good alternatives such as TN and Mirhawk).
Now, I was under the assumption like generic that Kthx was softclaiming something as in Generic 91. He claims he needs to softclaim/breadcrumb town because he is ofter seem as scum (that might be your playstyle dude). This is a load of WIFOM and has nothing to do with your alignment in this game.
Long story short, Im voting him because he claimed to early, a sign of defensiveness that he has been showing ALL DAY when 1) Jake, his shepard, left, and 2) he got wagoned.
The only thing reasonable so far is he is keeping his scumread on NV. Meanwhile (and Id HATE to defend my top scumread) his scumreads on TN and I look nothing more than OMGUS.
Now, I was under the assumption like generic that Kthx was softclaiming something as in Generic 91. He claims he needs to softclaim/breadcrumb town because he is ofter seem as scum (that might be your playstyle dude). This is a load of WIFOM and has nothing to do with your alignment in this game.
Long story short, Im voting him because he claimed to early, a sign of defensiveness that he has been showing ALL DAY when 1) Jake, his shepard, left, and 2) he got wagoned.
The only thing reasonable so far is he is keeping his scumread on NV. Meanwhile (and Id HATE to defend my top scumread) his scumreads on TN and I look nothing more than OMGUS.
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So instead of answering my question of where I hinted at having a PR, you point to Generics p91 as explaination when p91 doesnt actually explain how I hinted at having a PR. I knew this would happen since I didnt hint at having a PR which is why I asked you multiple times to answer it. Wanna talk about digging holes you get stuck in, there it is.
You never address how my claim coinsides with the crumbs which means you are blindly pushing my lynch which is something Id expect from scum. Thanks for making it so clear. You get first spot on the acum list.
VOTE: Sal
You never address how my claim coinsides with the crumbs which means you are blindly pushing my lynch which is something Id expect from scum. Thanks for making it so clear. You get first spot on the acum list.
VOTE: Sal
If you think I'm scum D1, bet all your money I'm town.
First paragraph I like. For the first time side I started focusing on your posts you make a good point in a very genuine tone. It's food for thought for me.In post 319, Kthxbye wrote:@Generic: Well, there is one thing for certain, you can't expect scum to play how you THINK they should play or town to respond how you FEEL they should respond....99% of the time this just doesn't happen. This is why mislynches happen.
Apparently. I can't put my finger on it exactly but it seems different. It could be because I don't actually know your alignment this time around. I don't know and don't have enough info at this time to try and figure out if it's your posting or my alignment that is off. Best answer I can give you at this time.In post 318, Squirrel Girl wrote:Am I missing something here?
But I would still like you to at least try and explain your thought process when you decided to cover absolutely every angle in responding to RCs question, when you are now clearly saying your being happy with the role pm had everything to do with character... Something you barely to her on if at all.
But I'm also not happy with the way I'm now being used as the weapon when Salamence makes a comment about kthxbye.
I think a reread is in order here.
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Your overdefensiveness is showing.
Also, generic saw what I saw in 91. First you exclaim that you like your role. Then you breadcrumb. Then when you are asked what you like to play as, and instead of answering town/scum, you have to point out every role possible, hinting as a softclaim. Generic saw what I also saw.
Also, generic saw what I saw in 91. First you exclaim that you like your role. Then you breadcrumb. Then when you are asked what you like to play as, and instead of answering town/scum, you have to point out every role possible, hinting as a softclaim. Generic saw what I also saw.
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See? Again, you can't show this hint because it's not there. Either I hinted at a PR or I pointed out every role possibility. It can't be both and you are hiding behind that someone else 'saw' it too.
Also, again, you disregard how my claim coincides with the very posts you are saying I'm scummy for even though you admit they are breadcrumbs to the claim!
So, your case is thus:
I claimed too early even though if you have ever played this game before you know someone can go from L-2 to lynched without getting to post ESPECIALLY when, like you yourself pointed out, multiple people haven't even posted yet. That leads to speed lynches faster than everyone posting does. This also isn't an alignment indicative tell...like at all.
-equates to bad reason to think someone is scum as town and more of a bullshit reason used by scum to vote to mislynch
I am showing signs of being defensive that you have not quoted or pointed out in any way shape or form. All you are doing is taking what others (who you know are town since you're scum) are saying and adding them to your 'reasoning' of why you are voting me to try and blend in with the town on my wagon.
and uh-oh, you just slipped
Caught scum is caught.
Also, again, you disregard how my claim coincides with the very posts you are saying I'm scummy for even though you admit they are breadcrumbs to the claim!
So, your case is thus:
I claimed too early even though if you have ever played this game before you know someone can go from L-2 to lynched without getting to post ESPECIALLY when, like you yourself pointed out, multiple people haven't even posted yet. That leads to speed lynches faster than everyone posting does. This also isn't an alignment indicative tell...like at all.
-equates to bad reason to think someone is scum as town and more of a bullshit reason used by scum to vote to mislynch
I am showing signs of being defensive that you have not quoted or pointed out in any way shape or form. All you are doing is taking what others (who you know are town since you're scum) are saying and adding them to your 'reasoning' of why you are voting me to try and blend in with the town on my wagon.
and uh-oh, you just slipped
So even though your "top scumread" is tn, you are voting and pushing to lynch me?In post 320, Salamence20 wrote:Meanwhile (and Id HATE to defend my top scumread) his scumreads on TN and I look nothing more than OMGUS.
Caught scum is caught.
If you think I'm scum D1, bet all your money I'm town.