Blitz 14: Murder on Madness Mountain GAME OVER!

Rob14 · Post Post #300 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:33 pm

Uh ... what? It's MyLo. It's conventional strategy to no lynch, let scum kill to reduce the lynch pool, and then lynch the next day. There's no discussion needed there. Ranger also said nothing that day, so even if you think there is discussion needed about MyLo strategy (???), both live players did the same thing.

Even if there was something worth commenting on, I wouldn't have done it at that time, because my grandpa's surgery was the day prior and I had very little access that day. I'm about to head to bed, by the way, but I'll stay on a bit if you want to finish this conversation. Or at least I'll try to - may fall asleep on accident.

Rob14 · Post Post #301 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:35 pm

I'm nodding off where I sit, so just as a heads up, I'm not staying up. I'll check this when I wake up if there's time.

Firebringer · Post Post #302 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:39 pm

↑ Rob14 wrote:I'm nodding off where I sit, so just as a heads up, I'm not staying up. I'll check this when I wake up if there's time.

Fine, but I am leaning towards Ranger, and lately my LYLO skills suck. So I want to talk to you more when you get back.

Rob14 · Post Post #303 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:19 pm

Leaning towards Ranger as what?

I'm back now, but I doubt you're around. I'm happy to have a conversation when you're back. I need to read through your ISO at some point, but that may have to wait a day.

Firebringer · Post Post #304 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:20 pm

↑ Rob14 wrote:Leaning towards Ranger as what?

Leaning towards Ranger as scum, but me tunneling has never been good.

Especially in the LYLO situation we are in.

Can I ask if your ability was a one day thing? The double voter thing.

Ranger · Post Post #305 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:14 pm

Rob13 wrote:The thing that gives me the biggest pause about Ranger is that it seems like suicide to go into LyLo vs me and Fire.

Exactly.
absinthe was townreading me.
Not a good nightkill.
davesaz was townreading me.
Not a good nightkill.
Ricastle was townreading me.
Not a good nightkill.

Literally the only player nightkilled who wasn't townreading me is Soren, and that was mostly, "Well, between Rob and Ranger, Rob has the stronger argument".
Not a strong endorsement of me being scum.

Here's an idea.
Why don't we try a massclaim?
Jackal didn't flip a role that scum could fakeclaim.
So scum may not have a fakeclaim.
If you don't trust me enough for me to be last, then we can roll some dice or something.

Ranger · Post Post #306 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:15 pm

I do have a slight inclination, but I want to wait for the massclaim before I reveal it.

Firebringer · Post Post #307 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:15 pm

↑ Ranger wrote:So scum may not have a fakeclaim.

Usually mods provide fake claims when a player asks for one, so that might not be true at all.

Firebringer · Post Post #308 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:16 pm

I just realized my role makes no sense in this game....

like wtf

I am a "doctor-enabler"

Theres no doctor in this game! iF there is one it had to be scum, wtf is this shit.

Ranger · Post Post #309 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:16 pm

I'd also like to point out in my defense: I was one of the strongest advocates for Jackal being scum, and Jackal voted me quite opportunistically, so that is further evidence I'm town if it matters.

Firebringer · Post Post #310 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:18 pm

Your turn Ranger on claiming.

Ranger · Post Post #311 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:19 pm

Your claim makes me very much want to hear from Rob before I claim.

Ranger · Post Post #312 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:45 pm

In particular, things in my defense: this page, you get to see me pushing Jackal almost before anyone else. (Ricastle and absinthe have me slightly beat.) 152/155 show more of it.

204 is Jackal putting me at L-1.
205 is me pointing out why this is a scum move. Continued in 206 and 207. Also, 208 and 210. (Mental note: while there are several key Rob13/Firebringer posts on many pages that make me lean towards one of you being scum increasingly strongly, this page contains one big HUGE tipoff. Another one happens on page ten. But...see below.) While starting the day on Jackal, I do get side-tracked, however, quite critically, when deadline was approaching, I made 271...in which, I switched back onto Jackal. With davesaz voting and Rob

almost

voting, we

almost

got a scum lynch and you cannot deny that I was the one who most strongly pushed that.

Of course, that's just defense from reading the thread. My readthrough has a dual-purpose: I'm becoming increasingly convinced of who is scum, but I want Rob to check in to be absolutely sure.

Firebringer · Post Post #313 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:49 pm

Okay, that seems to be like fence sitting though.

What are you expecting Rob to claim exactly?

Ranger · Post Post #314 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:49 pm

Nightkills and play both make me think one option in particular, but again, I want Rob to come in here and post once more before I play my hand.

Firebringer · Post Post #315 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:49 pm

Also you are the one we both want to vote for right now, I really prefer you claiming now.

Ranger · Post Post #316 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:50 pm

Firebringer wrote:What are you expecting Rob to claim exactly?

That's what I'm waiting on him for.

Firebringer · Post Post #317 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:50 pm

↑ Ranger wrote:before I play my hand.

Okay....this veers into way too scummy to be scum territory.

Did you read this before posting?
Jesus.

Ranger · Post Post #318 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:52 pm

Firebringer wrote:Also you are the one we both want to vote for right now, I really prefer you claiming now.

That was before I laid out my defense.

I have done so now.

If both you and Rob still say I am the most suspicious, then I will lay out my cards. Claiming won't really be necessary, but I'll do it anyway.
However, if this is not the case...then I have no reason to claim first.

Ranger · Post Post #319 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:56 pm

Firebringer wrote:Did you read this before posting?

I rarely proofread what I say, but have no need to. The poker metaphor is apt for the situation: I hold a good hand. I want to hear from Rob before putting all my chips on the table. I could go all-in now; I'm reasonably confident I'd be making the right choice. But I want to be absolutely sure. Lylo is absolutely the time to be cautious with voting, because one wrong vote, and it's over; scum win.

Rob14 · Post Post #320 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:57 pm

Fire: When you have an even number of players, the number of players/2 is enough to no lynch (since if you have 4 players and 2 aren't voting, it's impossible to lynch). I assume that's where you got the "double voter" thing. I am not a double voter. It is no aspect of my role.

I'm a Town Nexus.

This setup is exactly as I laid out in 229, I expect, given all these enablers. None of the roles interact; it's functionally 7 vt/2 goon. I've run a similarly misleading setup before.

Ranger, claim.

Rob14 · Post Post #321 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:58 pm

Also, all three of us are here right now. Can we have a conversation (long if needed) and get this over with today? I don't know when I'll be able to be on at a time anyone else is on for the rest of the day phase given my current time commitments related to the V/LA I mentioned earlier.

Rob14 · Post Post #322 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:59 pm

Looking at Fire's ISO now, by the way. Hopefully I'll come up with something that is stronger than gut to indicate town (or scum).

Firebringer · Post Post #323 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:01 pm

↑ Ythan wrote:Soren,
town cop-enabler
, has been killed. Day four begins now, and ends in (expired on 2016-01-02 02:04:00). With four alive
it takes three to lynch
.

Your lying Rob. It said it took 3, not 2.

Rob14 · Post Post #324 (ISO) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:01 pm

↑ Firebringer wrote:
↑ Rob14 wrote:Ranger has no votes, and I doubt we'll get the people to make that quickwagon a thing, so I'm placing Fire on L-1.

VOTE: Fire

Fire, claim.

8 hours left and I'm going to bed soon.

Nope.
Not claiming.

Why did you not want to claim that close to deadline?