I'm going to ask you for the third time (or fourth?), what was the purpose of #244?
I fail to see the town motivation behind it. Basically what you said was that you agreed this wasn't his town game but just him playing differently, which honestly just implies that he could be either alignment. That is correct.
Seeing as you agree it isn't his town game, don't you think it is a good idea to pressure him to get a better read? I thought so, apparently you did not because otherwise I do not see why'd you post that. I felt like you were trying to discourage me from voting on him but on the otherhand you weren't willing to commit to a townread. Seemed a bit like fencesitting.
So what I wanted to know was why you did not agree with my vote on him. The most logical answer was that it was because you were townreading him, so I asked you if you thought him playing differently was towny. Your response was no, but in the very same post you claimed you had a gut town read on him, which I thought was a bit weird but it could possibly explain why your post, although I still don't like how you worded it.
But if that is the case, please explain why you thought he was town at the time? Because the posts you brought up in #279 all came after #244, so obviously they couldn't have been part of your initial gut read on him.
Anyway, I still find Aristo suspicious, but at the moment I think you are more likely to be scum. You could very well be scum just fishing for townc redit (if Aristo is a mislynch). I think this would explain the weird progression of your read. (playing differently > gut town read > hard defend). In this world it would seem like you tried to keep your options open at first (#244 feels a bit like fencesitting) but then when questioned you commit to a townread on him.
It's also possible it was just you posting just to get some content in.
So yeah Postie, plx stop dodging and answer my question. Why did you feel the need to question my vote on Aristo? If it was because you were townreading him, why were you being so cryptic and can you explain your town read? (as in why you were townreading him at this point)
In post 205, Postie wrote:I think she's town but it's more of a gut thing at the moment. I just get weird protesty vibes from her posts that feel town somehow.
51 was bad. BNL is bad a lot but that post is like scum-bad.
Just finished a marathon game where he was scum and his reasoning was similarlybad so I'm no longer willing to give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
In post 157, BNL wrote:It's mainly because he's new, and this makes me have a tendency to mark what he does as NAI. I'm planning to hold off reading him until after a while (~7 days into D1).
I don't think this is necessarily a scummy thing, but I also don't see how it's useful. Can you just give me some thoughts about his original Elyse push or his switch to Fire Assassin?
What are you referring to that isn't useful?
I found 67 unnatural due to the vote attached. He was already scumreading Elyse, so why only vote her then? Can't tell if the "was going to do that earlier" part is genuine. Though I do know that newbies do this in general (check Asphodel's h_a case in recently completed Mini 1791), so doubting its scumminess.
I didn't agree with 149 that Fire's 147 was "giving up". Though it just seemed like he didn't understand that it was a joke.
Can you tell me what's that about "benefit of the doubt"?
In post 245, duppin wrote:I'm honestly not sure what to think of this post. You agree that this does not seem like his townplay, so where exactly are you going with this?
In post 244, Postie wrote:I agree but I see little reason to suppose this is scum!Aristo as opposed to just different!Aristo.
I still don't get the point. It sounds like you're trying to discourage me from voting on Aristo for no apparent reason. I honestly don't think your post makes much sense, so I ask you gain, what was the point of it?
I am also agreeing with duppin here that Postie seems to be discouraging the Ari wagon subtly... but the Postie/Ari conversation at the top of page 10 definitely doesn't look like scum/scum interactions.
Postie, can you explain what "different Aristo" means?
Back to? Does that mean you had a townread on me earlier? If so, could you explain why it changed please.
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You went back to null because you started being lurky. You are now town again because I liked your weird push on Aristo for not voting Postie.
It seems like I missed that post, my bad.
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:53 am
by BNL
So I'm also starting to scumread Postie now, mainly because her read progression on Aristo seems really fake. If not for townpoints mentioned in 193 she'd probably be my top scumread.
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:09 am
by BNL
Regarding Postie read progression on Aristo:
There was mainly not much stance on Aristo until 268, where she mentioned a gut townread on Ari. (Until she explains what "different" Aristo is I can't really call that stance.
And in the next post 280, "I'm very much opposed to this wagon", "Unvote please" implies a strong townread on Aristo, which looking at her ISO before that, is garbage.
Her other reason that can justify this is "lack of a counterwagon". I'm currently unsure about this, but will look into this now.
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:20 am
by BNL
272 also pinged me hard. It read to me as "duppin, I hate your questions and I don't want to answer them; let's talk about something else." Deflection. Something like change of subject (though the question wasn't serious).
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:24 am
by BNL
In post 298, TellTaleHeart wrote:Alright-y, I'm about to go to sleep but I am all caught up on reading the thread.
Quick thoughts: I like GuiltyLion for town and I still like my vote on Ari. I would be good with that or a Postie lynch.
Why do you say that you like your vote on Ari even though he was at L-1?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:57 am
by BNL
In post 307, BNL wrote:Her other reason that can justify this is "lack of a counterwagon". I'm currently unsure about this, but will look into this now.
The reason I found this suspicious initially is because I thought I saw some contradictions in her posts, but it turned out that I just got confused when she mentioned wagons a lot in different contexts.
I still feel that this could be scum making up reasons for unwillingness to lynch Ari, though. Even if this isn't the case, "also" means that the counterwagon part doesn't contribute to her supposedly strong townread on Ari.
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:59 am
by BNL
UNVOTE: Wingback VOTE: Postie
I actually
really
want to move here now, despite earlier strong townpoints on her.
In post 298, TellTaleHeart wrote:Alright-y, I'm about to go to sleep but I am all caught up on reading the thread.
Quick thoughts: I like GuiltyLion for town and I still like my vote on Ari. I would be good with that or a Postie lynch.
Why do you say that you like your vote on Ari even though he was at L-1?
What's the relevance of him being at L-1 to how much I like the vote?
In Post 206, the cobbled-together, loaded-word filled ("backtracking" "flipflopping") BNL read doesn't give much of an indication that the BNL read is solid or legitimate.
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:58 am
by Fire Assassin
TTH you scumreading Ari?
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:39 pm
by TellTaleHeart
Spoiler: Yes
In post 298, TellTaleHeart wrote:Alright-y, I'm about to go to sleep but I am all caught up on reading the thread.
Quick thoughts: I like GuiltyLion for town and I still like my vote on Ari. I would be good with that or a Postie lynch.
In post 298, TellTaleHeart wrote:Alright-y, I'm about to go to sleep but I am all caught up on reading the thread.
Quick thoughts: I like GuiltyLion for town and I still like my vote on Ari. I would be good with that or a Postie lynch.
Why do you say that you like your vote on Ari even though he was at L-1?
What's the relevance of him being at L-1 to how much I like the vote?
In Post 206, the cobbled-together, loaded-word filled ("backtracking" "flipflopping") BNL read doesn't give much of an indication that the BNL read is solid or legitimate.
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:44 pm
by TellTaleHeart
Now I'd like to hear why that's even a question for you because the only thing you've done with me this game is give me these weird potshots.
Did you just ask someone if they are scumreading the person they are voting for?
I want updated thoughts from you on the game.
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:20 pm
by Postie
Alright so one of BNL/duppin is scum. Cool.
But in all seriousness what the fuck. If you're both town here I'm going to preface every one of my posts post-game with a sad-looking orange. Not even joking.
Give me a moment to respond to duppin's wall.
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:49 pm
by Fire Assassin
In post 315, TellTaleHeart wrote:Now I'd like to hear why that's even a question for you because the only thing you've done with me this game is give me these weird potshots.
How was that question a potshot? I do agree, that question was bad and I am feeling very lazy as of late and that isn't what I am tryign to do with this account. It just a general thing going on with this being hard to get into.
My reads right now are that you are town, so I don't know what your point about potshots is really coming from?
In post 301, duppin wrote:I'm going to ask you for the third time (or fourth?), what was the purpose of #244?
And I'm going to give you my answer for a second (or third?) time: I agree this doesn't feel like Aristo's townplay, but it also doesn't feel like his scumplay, so my 244 was me pointing out the flaw in your logic if you were scumreading him for it.
In post 301, duppin wrote:I fail to see the town motivation behind it. Basically what you said was that you agreed this wasn't his town game but just him playing differently, which honestly just implies that he could be either alignment. That is correct.
Seeing as you agree it isn't his town game, don't you think it is a good idea to pressure him to get a better read? I thought so, apparently you did not because otherwise I do not see why'd you post that.
I assumed your vote was a serious vote, not a pressure vote. It would have helped if you'd have said this earlier. Your vote wasn't accompanied by any attempts to engage Aristo, which is what I'd have expected from someone trying to put pressure on him, and so it came across more like an opportunistic jump onto his wagon and/or vote parking. Which is why I called you out on it.
In post 301, duppin wrote:I felt like you were trying to discourage me from voting on him but on the otherhand you weren't willing to commit to a townread. Seemed a bit like fencesitting.
If not having a read on a player is fencesitting then I guess I was fencesitting.
In post 301, duppin wrote:But if that is the case, please explain why you thought he was town at the time? Because the posts you brought up in #279 all came after #244, so obviously they couldn't have been part of your initial gut read on him.
I didn't. I disagreed with your vote on him because I didn't like the reasoning behind it.
If there's an actual case on Aristo I'd like to hear it.
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:57 pm
by Elyse
In post 242, Elyse wrote:239 pings me so hard. The overjustified, apologetic unvote of Bullet, the slight shade at Postie, the ridiculous defense of Bullet at the end when you were voting him like two posts earlier.
That was such an awkward and complete backoff of Bullet for "towny toned posts that you missed". Like are you even reading the game? You've "missed" a crazy amount of posts.
I wouldn't be surprised with a Bullet/Aris scumteam.
Previous points, and I thought your defense was like "ohh you are such a hypocrite" and you came to believe I was a VI, which tends to be what a scum would do in that situation I think. It might be more confirmation bias on my part, but I think your reaction you thought you were being scumread for bs reasons, even though you have scum role pm.