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COME ONNNN. Like I said in my 2nd post, this whole case on Karnos revolves around a scum interpretation of like 3 of his posts. Everything after that is just an argument as to why those 3 posts have to be scum.

For the sake of understanding where I'm coming from, force yourself to temporarily read Karnos as town. 100% town. Then reread this whole thread (because argument took like 75% of the thread and I s2g I reread this thread at least like 3 times trying to see where you guys are coming from so at least read it once through for me) and try to tell me that it's impossible for him to come from town. I think you're all just stubborn and think that you're so committed and deep in the hole that if you abandoned that wagon, you guys would feel dumb. So I'll give you all the light at the end of the tunnel you're looking for...

VOTE: Kcdaspot

Some of you guys are finding this dude obnoxious to deal with. And all he's done so far is poke people for a few posts, then say "x y z is mafia and a b c posts are town" without giving any substance behind it. He's trying to give off the vibe he's being productive and scumhunting without actually proving it.

Tenshii's town.
Even tho i don't agree with their vote.

Why don't you agree with it?

In post 302, Tenshii wrote:Why don't you agree with it?

Do you think Scum!KC domes and desides to antagonize a supposed Town!KTS whom apparently some ppl are townreading, instead of Town!Karnos as you read him that is being wagoned?
Seems like a good spot to land in.

In post 300, Tenshii wrote:For the sake of understanding where I'm coming from, force yourself to temporarily read Karnos as town. 100% town. Then reread this whole thread (because argument took like 75% of the thread and I s2g I reread this thread at least like 3 times trying to see where you guys are coming from so at least read it once through for me) and try to tell me that it's impossible for him to come from town. I think you're all just stubborn and think that you're so committed and deep in the hole that if you abandoned that wagon, you guys would feel dumb. So I'll give you all the light at the end of the tunnel you're looking for...

You're not actually making much of a case there - functionally what you're saying is 'isn't it possible he's town and just presenting multiple bad arguments?' to which my reply is - yeah, that is assuredly possible.

But, it's also possible he is scum, and is presenting multiple bad arguments due to being caught out.

At that stage the only question is which theory do you believe more?
I believe the scum one more because the conversations are so wonky - reference my breakdown about him misrepping me and then citing it as a valid answer even though he admitted he misrepped me. Just roll that one around in your head.

Let's say you're Karanos and you're town.
You are asked a question.
You misunderstand what I'm asking, and answer it wrong.
I point this out and ask you to answer the question.
You agree that you misrepresented me.
I say 'golly, thanks, now will you answer the original question?'
You respond with 'I already answered it!'

How does that work for town? If you misrepresented me - then you know you didn't answer it, because you were answering off wrong info. So, yes, you *do* still need to answer it again. So how can he admit he was wrong in how he answered the question and also claim it was a valid answer? I don't see that coming from town - because it would require insanity. Ergo, i see him as scum.

Why do you see it coming from town?

Can we get momentum this way? Karnos was in one of my newbie games so i have experience with him. He was town and his play this game is nearly replicated to last time. Plus pc's vote on karnos which is presumably rvs is very deliberately an attempt to build up his roping.

Thanks for mellowing out kcda.

VOTE: PhantomCobalt

@ Thor, what posts please. Specifically what posts. I'm pretty sure I'm misreading who's "You" and "I" in your post so I want it clear.

@ Luna, Iirc, KTS was only scumread by you and giga. That's not really that strong of a tr. And KC already displayed intent on hammering Karnos.

Also I'm down for either KC or PC.

Oh and btw i think most people who fos karnos are justified. I fosed him right away in the game but then pegged him as obv town a few posts later. PC is trying to run him up in votes tho.

In post 306, Tenshii wrote:KTS was only scumread by you

Incorrect, i do not have a scumread on KTS, but i dont townread them either.

Tenshii imo rope PC. Probably not gonna be interested in lynching Kcda. I think they're town just really bothersome.

In post 307, Transcend wrote:PC is trying to run him up in votes tho.

So do you agree with my 297 ?

Luna, my vote was bait for you. Please take it.

In post 310, Luna Fox wrote:

In post 307, Transcend wrote:PC is trying to run him up in votes tho.

So do you agree with my 297 ?

I agree heavily with your logic on PC. You might be right on thor being town but I'm not convinced myself.

I never scumread KTS, I gave him a weak gut-townread. imo he hasn't really done anything to weaken or strengthen it

Lol I meant to say townread my bad. Idk why but I thought I remember you townreading him. And I for sure remember giga unvoting KTS due to "towny vibes"

PC voting without substance = KC reading without substance

But ayy lmao let's get this choo choo train goingggggg

VOTE: PhantomCobalt

I didn't paint anything, it was a random vote. I read almost nothing of the game except for the most recent VC so I wasn't hammering.

Btw, that still doesn't prove Luna's point about KTS being townread

Btw if you wanna know why i tr karnos it's because he's playing the overly defensive omgus game he played with me in our newbie game.

I marked his omgus on io as town and i think the whole io vs. Karnos debacle is tvt that can be dismissed to focus on PC.

In post 316, Tenshii wrote:Btw, that still doesn't prove Luna's point about KTS being townread

Hmm maybe I misunderstood the position KTS was in, i guess all that "i'm obvtown" got to me subconsciously.

Also when you are referring to me, can you use Phantom or Cobalt and not PC?

In post 315, PhantomCobalt wrote:I didn't paint anything, it was a random vote. I read almost nothing of the game except for the most recent VC so I wasn't hammering.

You'll have a better time convincing me to eat a sock than convincing me to believe that post.

Imo Thor v karnos is tvt

In post 320, Transcend wrote:

In post 315, PhantomCobalt wrote:I didn't paint anything, it was a random vote. I read almost nothing of the game except for the most recent VC so I wasn't hammering.

You'll have a better time convincing me to eat a sock than convincing me to believe that post.

Oh well

In post 321, PhantomCobalt wrote:Imo Thor v karnos is tvt

VOTE: PC

I agree with the general Tenshii!Town theories.

PEDIT: THEN WHY IS YOUR VOTE PARKED ON THE LEADING BW IF YOU DON'T FOS THE SLOT YOU'RE VOTING NEVER MIND THE FACT YOU NEVER FOSED HIM TO BEGIN WITH?