Newbie 1756: Balloon (Game Over)

Manuel87 · Post Post #300 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:39 am

Why would he sacrifice himself to fish at this point?

Transcend · Post Post #301 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:40 am

Like yeah he's conf town if he's not cc'd. No shit there. But he's not yet, and scum fish all the fucking time and I think this could easily be a fish. Hence why I'm waiting for input from others.

Accountant · Post Post #302 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:41 am

In post 300, Manuel87 wrote:Why would he sacrifice himself to fish at this point?

I mean if we assume Charloux was scum from the start then claiming Doctor makes sense, because if you're going to go down you might as well go down drawing out a PR by counterclaim. Here's the thing though, I'd expect scum Charloux to claim BP so he has a reason why he survived the night.

Transcend · Post Post #303 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:42 am

In post 300, Manuel87 wrote:Why would he sacrifice himself to fish at this point?

Well he looked pretty defeated, he wasn't responding to questions made to him. This could happen to either behavior. Town give up, scum give up. Looks more like scum giving up to me, but hoping to get something out of the lynch by fishing a few roles.

Transcend · Post Post #304 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:44 am

To either alignment*

Accountant · Post Post #305 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:44 am

It's pointless debating whether Charloux is town or scum at this point. Let everyone weigh in, check for counterclaims and by the end of it we'll know if he's town or scum. If nobody counterclaims, he's almost certainly town. If there's a CC, he's definitely scum.

I am not a jailkeeper or bulletproof, obviously.

Transcend · Post Post #306 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:46 am

I don't claim jk or bp either.

Accountant · Post Post #307 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:47 am

Meanwhile Transcend I want to talk to you about your town read on Manuel. I don't get it. Why? I haven't seen anything super town from him.

Transcend · Post Post #308 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:49 am

I think it's because we had similar reads. It is actually dissipating a little bit as i find a wcsbo/char team impossible.

Transcend · Post Post #309 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:52 am

If Charloux ends up being unccd, I'll probably put a massive fos on Manuel as Charloux wasn't actually confirmed town at the time, and he seemed to trust him too much too quickly.

Manuel87 · Post Post #310 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:53 am

I am not JK, BK or Doc
Well could be fishing but his claim seemd more like frustration then giving up.

Accountant · Post Post #311 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:53 am

In post 308, Transcend wrote:I think it's because we had similar reads. It is actually dissipating a little bit as i find a wcsbo/char team impossible.

I mean, I got pegged as all-but-confirmed town in Nahdia's Mini just by faking the same reads as the innocent child/predicting how they'd read a certain situation and jumping in to post that read first. So you can see why I'm skeptical of this kind of tell.

Transcend · Post Post #312 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:55 am

Yeah, fair enough.

I haven't been astounded by his play recently so I've got him on watch.

Transcend · Post Post #313 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:58 am

Although I'd be shocked if he's scum with Charloux.

Accountant · Post Post #314 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:59 am

In post 309, Transcend wrote:If Charloux ends up being unccd, I'll probably put a massive fos on Manuel as Charloux wasn't actually confirmed town at the time, and he seemed to trust him too much too quickly.

I broadly agree with this. I can see town Manuel giving trust to Charloux, since by the time he posted I'd already explained my analysis of the soft and why Charloux was likely town.

Transcend · Post Post #315 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:08 am

A'ite.

Well let's wait to see if anyone can deny this claim or not and move on.

In my perfect world someone does, because my scumread on this hit is massive.

Manuel87 · Post Post #316 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 2:19 am

In post 315, Transcend wrote:A'ite.
Well let's wait to see if anyone can deny this claim or not and move on.
In my perfect world someone does, because my scumread on this hit is massive.

The question is do you trust the slot if it is uncced?
You basically said we shouldnt counterclaim him even if we have a PR that counters hisand discuss if we lynch him without a counterclaim.

ISO · Post Post #317 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:19 am

Votecount 1.8

[3] WeCanSimplyBeOurselves (thatsit, Manuel87, MisaTange)
[2] Charloux (Morning Tweet, NorskaBlue)
[1] Accountant (WeCanSimplyBeOurselves)
[1] NorskaBlue (Charloux)

[2] Not Voting (Accountant, Transcend)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-11-27 00:00:00)

Accountant · Post Post #318 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:41 am

Like yeah he's conf town if he's not cc'd. No shit there

Are you even reading his posts?

Accountant · Post Post #319 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 3:41 am

That was directed at Manuel's 316.

Manuel87 · Post Post #320 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:21 am

In post 275, Transcend wrote:WARNING: If Charloux claims PR then don't treat it as him being confirmed town. Scum can fish power roles and draw them out to kill them. We as a town have to decide as a collective if we trust his claim or not.

Yes i am. Are you?
Or do you just throw shade? Like asking him what he thinks about me after the claim so you can defend me later.

My point is he said we should consider lynching him without a CC thats why i asked him about not believing the claim.
He turned it around on me after you asked him about his read on me.
Claiming one PR for killing scum is something i will do any time day one. Best case we have a BP-claim.
Also why should i not believe a claim until its CCed?
Like i said there is only one case where he is scum and noone ccs him.
For that to be the case there need to be 2 scum!goons. There are 4 scenarios with 2 goons so he has a 25% chance to not be cced as scum.
And even if he is lucky we still have a cop that can check him at night.

He wasnt about to be lynched and as i said his claim sounded more like frustration about the push on him.

Accountant · Post Post #321 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:04 am

275 was made before the claim and before my post about why Charloux is all but conftown if nobody counterclaims. Why are you trying to present it as Transcend's view after the claim, when the post I quoted was far more recent and would therefore match his current views better?

Or do you just throw shade? Like asking him what he thinks about me after the claim so you can defend me later.

This is a

very

strange post. Here, you make two assertions:

1) That I am throwing shade.
2) That I am defending you.

I do not think either assertion is true. To throw shade means to imply someone is scummy for bad reasons or no reasons. I do not think I have done this to you, and I invite you to present evidence to the contrary.

Secondly, I don't think I am defending you at all. I started off by asking why Transcend has a townread on you, and saying that I don't see "it"(it being the reason he's townreading you). Then, after Transcend said that you were his biggest FoS if Charloux doesn't get CCed, I said I broadly agree with this, even though I could see you being confident in Charloux's alignment as town. Finally, I questioned whether you were paying attention to this game. I don't think any of these posts can be construed as defense, much less the white-knighting you are implying. Can you show me where I have defended you?

Accountant · Post Post #322 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:06 am

Manuel, why are you so eager to repeatedly explain why Charloux is town if there's no CC, despite the fact that at last check all three of us agreed on it and despite the fact that the reasoning is already clearly established? Are you just trying to make it seem like you are analyzing things without contributing anything new?

Manuel87 · Post Post #323 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:28 am

In post 321, Accountant wrote:275 was made before the claim and before my post about why Charloux is all but conftown if nobody counterclaims. Why are you trying to present it as Transcend's view after the claim, when the post I quoted was far more recent and would therefore match his current views better?

In post 279, Transcend wrote:I don't buy it.
How about you guys.

His current view has nothing to do with this. I asked him how he cant believe the claim and wants to lynch Chaloux without a cc.
Him changing his mind now is questionable in itself.

In post 321, Accountant wrote: This is a
very
strange post. Here, you make two assertions:
1) That I am throwing shade.
2) That I am defending you.

In post 307, Accountant wrote:Meanwhile Transcend I want to talk to you about your town read on Manuel. I don't get it. Why? I haven't seen anything super town from him.

In post 314, Accountant wrote:I broadly agree with this. I can see town Manuel giving trust to Charloux, since by the time he posted I'd already explained my analysis of the soft and why Charloux was likely town.

In post 322, Accountant wrote:Manuel, why are you so eager to repeatedly explain why Charloux is town if there's no CC, despite the fact that at last check all three of us agreed on it and despite the fact that the reasoning is already clearly established? Are you just trying to make it seem like you are analyzing things without contributing anything new?

Are you reading my post? I explained that scum!Charloux can still be uncced and we have a way to prove that without lynching him as that would mean we have a cop.
Thats why i questioned Transcend about that and you suddenly intervened. So why did you feel the need to do that?

Accountant · Post Post #324 (ISO) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:35 am

His current view has nothing to do with this. I asked him how he cant believe the claim and wants to lynch Chaloux without a cc.
Him changing his mind now is questionable in itself.

Why is Transcend changing his mind questionable? Do you think he would be more stubborn as town?

So why did you feel the need to do that?

Because it's a dumb line of questioning? What do you hope to achieve by questioning Transcend about it? Do you think Transcend is more likely to have a different opinion about game theory if he was scum?