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In post 298, Gustavo wrote:I will always defend myself. Don’t say anything negative about me and I won’t have to respond.

We could end this day with s profli lynch. His buddies will kill me and everyone is happy.

This sounds lots like "Don't scumread me and everything will be fine."

You realize that, right?

I just read flubber’s 180. I don’t see how that’s worse than profli’s sayung rask is playing against his win condition by no lynching tbh.

In post 300, brassherald wrote:

In post 298, Gustavo wrote:I will always defend myself. Don’t say anything negative about me and I won’t have to respond.

We could end this day with s profli lynch. His buddies will kill me and everyone is happy.

This sounds lots like "Don't scumread me and everything will be fine."

You realize that, right?

No. But if you scum read me you have to be prepared for me to defend myself. Players should defend themselves without fear of being called “defensive” which tbh is the most laughable accusation anyone can make. You also need to do it without lying about me.

Aww fuck I'm super behind now

I'll have an hour to read what I can read some time tomorrow.

That makes sense to me though w/profii? nolynching d1 definitely doesn't help the town. Like, I agree Rask's actions weren't scummy but I feel profii's actions weren't either.

In post 304, Ausuka wrote:That makes sense to me though w/profii? nolynching d1 definitely doesn't help the town. Like, I agree Rask's actions weren't scummy but I feel profii's actions weren't either.

This is basically my point
I feel like I don’t really understand where Gus is coming from so I’m happy to just leave it and draw a line under it but if Gus wants to explain more I’m happy to listen

I don’t really understand where you’re coming from by saying no lynching is anti-wincon. That’s not what I’m scum reading you for though. Maybe that’s the issue? I was scum reading you when I voted you. Idk how to put it but your early posts all seem so fake to me. Like you are trying to appear town and it doesn’t come off as genuine. The whole no lynch thing was definitely some more fuel to my fire and maybe that’s why people are so hung up on that. Like I said earlier it looked like you were just throwing more dirt on rask who was already doing a good job making himself look bad and your conclusions to me don’t make sense logically. I’ve never seen anyone say no lynching is playing against their win condition. It’s not like he was going to actually gain momentum for it. Some people I’ve seen argue no lynching helps town and while I don’t agree I understand their logic. I don’t understand yours. I don’t see it coming from town unless they are a newbie which you aren’t. It’s hands down the best information available to us. Definitely better than the reasons others have given (magna for example)

Numbers have been crunched to show that a no lynch on day 1 is statistically inferior to a mislynch for town.

At least it is that way in newbie games, I would assume it holds true in larger games.

(I am a trash person)

In post 307, brassherald wrote:Numbers have been crunched to show that a no lynch on day 1 is statistically inferior to a mislynch for town.

At least it is that way in newbie games, I would assume it holds true in larger games.

(I am a trash person)

Im sure. Hence the I understand but don’t agree.

There is absolutely no evidence though to support that voting no lynch is playing against your win condition yet here we are.

My logic was simply if we no lynch then we cannot remove scum from the game (exception vig)

Therefore it’s bad

Whilst that sounds bad for Rask I’m more interested in seeing how the 3 voters plus flubber get on - it’s easy for scum to say “bad play we must lynch it” so I’d say odds are 1 of those 4 are probably scum

That’s very naive thinking.

But ok. That’s true but we also don’t remove town from the game.

There are more day 1 mislynches than scum lynches.

You get more than just a death out of the lynch, though, you get mod confirmed information. You get a smaller pool to hunt in. You get valuable information to use in Night Kill Analysis. You can perform Vote Count Analysis.

There is not going to be a situation where a day 1 no lynch is the best option unless you start Day 1 in MYLO.

Yes I understand all of that. But to say no lynching is against your win condition is ridiculous. (I’d use a much stronger word but you guys are too sensitive).

I refuse to believe town profli believes that. I tbink he’s scum trying to throw dirt on an easy target.

I THINK

That it doesn’t matter because it was just an RVS vote (which more often than not is just people jacking around at the beginning anyways) and Rask obviously didn’t actually want a No Lynch anyways, so let’s all stop talking about it because it’s not helping us hunt scum.

I THINK

That it doesn’t matter because it was just an RVS vote (which more often than not is just people jacking around at the beginning anyways) and Rask obviously didn’t actually want a No Lynch anyways, so let’s all stop talking about it because it’s not helping us hunt scum.

In post 313, Inferno390 wrote:I THINK

That it doesn’t matter because it was just an RVS vote (which more often than not is just people jacking around at the beginning anyways) and Rask obviously didn’t actually want a No Lynch anyways, so let’s all stop talking about it because it’s not helping us hunt scum.

Not sure you are in the position to criticize people’s scum hunting.

In post 164, Gustavo wrote:I have issues with his stances so far. Self voting and no lynch voting aren’t playing against a win condition regardless of alignment. I feel like he should know better since he’s not a newbie.

He does need to make less wordy posts though. That’s why they come off as iioa

In post 306, Gustavo wrote:I don’t really understand where you’re coming from by saying no lynching is anti-wincon. That’s not what I’m scum reading you for though. Maybe that’s the issue? I was scum reading you when I voted you. Idk how to put it but your early posts all seem so fake to me. Like you are trying to appear town and it doesn’t come off as genuine. The whole no lynch thing was definitely some more fuel to my fire and maybe that’s why people are so hung up on that. Like I said earlier it looked like you were just throwing more dirt on rask who was already doing a good job making himself look bad and your conclusions to me don’t make sense logically. I’ve never seen anyone say no lynching is playing against their win condition. It’s not like he was going to actually gain momentum for it. Some people I’ve seen argue no lynching helps town and while I don’t agree I understand their logic. I don’t understand yours. I don’t see it coming from town unless they are a newbie which you aren’t. It’s hands down the best information available to us. Definitely better than the reasons others have given (magna for example)

Someone read these and let me know if they find any discrepancies. Thanks.

In post 315, Gustavo wrote:

In post 313, Inferno390 wrote:I THINK

That it doesn’t matter because it was just an RVS vote (which more often than not is just people jacking around at the beginning anyways) and Rask obviously didn’t actually want a No Lynch anyways, so let’s all stop talking about it because it’s not helping us hunt scum.

Not sure you are in the position to criticize people’s scum hunting.

How many posts have I made that involve me trying to actually discuss points and and do hunting?
And how many posts have you made about me complaining that I’m a liar and not actually contributing to a kind and calm discussion?
Thanks. Have a great day.

In post 312, Gustavo wrote:Yes I understand all of that. But to say no lynching is against your win condition is ridiculous. (I’d use a much stronger word but you guys are too sensitive).

I refuse to believe town profli believes that. I tbink he’s scum trying to throw dirt on an easy target.

I would 100% say this any game any alignment. (Well any normal without weird rules)

It’s NAI

I’d rather take a x% chance of hitting a scum vs a guaranteed 0% chance

It’s just a statistic

Anyway, point made, we are out of RVS - I’m not voting Rask for it because there hasnt been much else there. I’m moving on

I think it’s fair to say we just play the game differently - it’s not a criticism, variety is just the spice of life

In post 297, davesaz wrote:@MoI re 244 -- your Flubber case seems to rest on a single post, am I reading that right?

Yes. My "case" (which really isn't a case but an observation of an actual scummy post in the first 24 hours of the game) rests on that post.

Do you have an issue with that?

Also why are you still voting brass which was an RVS vote?

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Also want to say that Gustavo has made it into my scum pool with his posting this page. His posting feels not like someone honestly looking for scum but someone bending over backwards and contorting to justify his claimed read. 310 I think embodies this best. That's not an intellectually honest statement but one meant to support his stance that profii is scum.

Have a third darkhorse read from a quick readthrough I did before dinner but will have to wait to post that read for ... reasons ...

I mean frankly while his verbiage is rather oddball the basis of profii's statement about No Lynching Day 1 stands up to reason - it is not to Town's benefit to No Lynch Day 1 regardless of the fact that a mislynch statistically is more likely to happen than a scum lynch.

In post 317, Inferno390 wrote:How many posts have I made that involve me trying to actually discuss points and and do hunting?
And how many posts have you made about me complaining that I’m a liar and not actually contributing to a kind and calm discussion?
Thanks. Have a great day.

You haven’t made that many actually. I had to start the calm discussion remember? I caught you lying, you tried to yell I caught you making more lies, you claim I was evasive, you got mad somebody stand up to you and you vote me.

You aren’t scum. You have a hurt ego.

Good day sir

In post 319, MagnaofIllusion wrote:

In post 297, davesaz wrote:@MoI re 244 -- your Flubber case seems to rest on a single post, am I reading that right?

Yes. My "case" (which really isn't a case but an observation of an actual scummy post in the first 24 hours of the game) rests on that post.

Do you have an issue with that?

Also why are you still voting brass which was an RVS vote?

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Also want to say that Gustavo has made it into my scum pool with his posting this page. His posting feels not like someone honestly looking for scum but someone bending over backwards and contorting to justify his claimed read. 310 I think embodies this best. That's not an intellectually honest statement but one meant to support his stance that profii is scum.

Have a third darkhorse read from a quick readthrough I did before dinner but will have to wait to post that read for ... reasons ...

I mean frankly while his verbiage is rather oddball the basis of profii's statement about No Lynching Day 1 stands up to reason - it is not to Town's benefit to No Lynch Day 1 regardless of the fact that a mislynch statistically is more likely to happen than a scum lynch.

Another person with a bruised ego? I see you ignored my post that showed you are a hypocrite. For the record, there is literally nothing wrong with my posting this page or any other page.

If town, profli’s conclusion to no voting is so dumb, and dumb is nice because it’s so dumb it’s worse than the word I used earlier which triggered people.

Y’all can go ahead and lynch me. My earlier statement about the people in this game stands.

VOTE: gustavo

In post 322, Gustavo wrote:Y’all can go ahead and lynch me. My earlier statement about the people in this game stands.

VOTE: gustavo

In post 108, Flubbernugget wrote:I think inferno flails by now if they're scum

I don't feel like entertaining elbrin's schtick as scum. Will entertain an inferno tunnel as scum.

I'll read the worst trolling as the wagon grows on them as town for now

Don't understand this post (inferno there?) (what does the 2nd sentence mean?) (tw trolling as the wagon grows on them?)

In post 115, Skygazer wrote:Agreed. In my onion I think the first reaction test (elbirn) is fine but the second one (rask) a bit LAMIST especially considering he never really followed up on it other than his read on inferno.
VOTE: rask

I could understand a straight scumread but scumreading something like this too-town when I don't see how it'd come off towny makes me feel you read it knowing I'm town
saying I haven't really followed it up is kind of overly obtuse as well given the timeframe (very soon) but I also don't get it since even at that point I commented on davesz, inferno and maybe a bit on elbirn?

Profii hesitating on AI judgments as stated though claiming it's his style so ehhh unless contradicted. Ironically closest thing to a judgement is calling 255 out as political (non-committal) but also he's soft on how ai that is heh

Gustavo is kinda just wrong wrt self vote or d1 nl relating to wincon (though that's assuming a complete straight take on both and not RVS and whatnot other factors) but 164 reads as though he genuinely does believe in what he's saying. as opposed to scum pushing something they actually know is BS for an agenda, and also gustavo is easily new enough for that take to be plausible. logically right or logically wrong doesnt really mean much unless the agenda looks malicious