Mystery Novels Mafia(#103)-Game Over

[Yaw]

Can we get a mod prod on EPR, please? Even though I'm pretty sure he's scum, I'd still like to actually hear from the guy before there's a lynch. I don't like killing people in absentia...even if they are scum.

[chaotic_diablo]

i don't think anything he say will change the outcome of whats going to happen. though, i agree with yaw that a mod prod is in order.

vote: EPR

[indentureddjinn]

prodding will be done

[indentureddjinn]

Vote Count
EPR: 4 (MMCL, blackhawk, drummer97531, chaotic_diablo)

5 to lynch

[yomipithe]

I agree we should give EPR one more chance to respond, so I'll hold back my vote until EPR has had a chance to post.

[Toodle]

Hmm... my suspicion was originally on EPR and I'm still leaning towards him... but I don't want to put the last vote on him without hearing something from him.

If EPR doesn't speak up by tomorrow morning... he will get my vote.

[Yaw]

Well, EPR was mod prodded by phone over 24 hours ago, and informed he was on the lynching wagon. If he can't be bothered to defend himself with that, I'm not going to wait for him. Besides which, we're already pretty sure he's scum because Mogg grouped himself with EPR, it's either EPR or yomipithe, and yomipithe seems to fit better as Holmes (he was hinting at it all through day one).

Vote: EPR

That's the lynch.

[MMCL]

Hey all... great lynch (I hope - if not, shame on you EPR for not defending yourself!)

Just a quick note to say that my partner and I are leaving today for 7 glorious days in Greece - I will still have net access but limited to around 30mins a day... so this means a quick read and a quick review at best. Good luck all... let's get scum hunting...

[indentureddjinn]

Vote Count
EPR: 5 (MMCL, blackhawk, drummer97531, chaotic_diablo. Yaw)

Once again another meeting in the drawing room ensues

All fingers point at Enpacerequiescat...but...he remains silent

So, with that silence the town lynches him with a foced induction of cyanide

Enpacerequiescat (Sir Hugo Baskerville- Mafia) lynched

[indentureddjinn]

It is now night 4. Send choices. Deadline 8 AM PST Wednesday

[indentureddjinn]

"Yawn," the guest awaken, once again greeted by the butler.

"There's only 6 of you today," says the butler.

"6!," says the crowd, "there couldn't have been another one."

"I think there has, because I have not seen yomipithe," says the butler.

So they go to yomipithe's room, only to find him chopped in half.

Sherlock Holmes (Cop) chopped in half- yomipithe

It is now day 4, 4 to lynch

[Yaw]

Well, that was unfortunate, but expected.

Good comeback so far. Let's see who is left.

Right now, we probably have a godfather left. So much as I would love to use yomipithe's investigations to narrow down who is scum, it isn't wise. So we have to throw out the innocent investigations.

Drummer is confirmed innocent. He had the real role that Mogg was trying to fake.

I'd like to think I'm as close as it gets to a confirmed innocent among the rest of us. You have to at least admit that it would be very highly unlikely for a scum to try to deflect attention from one of his partners by starting a serious bandwagon on the other. I pointed out two scum on my own initiative, and that's very much town.

Blackhawk is either scum or the luckiest paranoid cop in the history of mafia. If he is indeed the latter, I will personally nominate him for a title when this game is over. Still, don't

ever

do that again without knowing your sanity for sure, ok? I think you can see that if you had investigated yomipithe instead of EPR, we'd be in some serious trouble. At any rate, nailing your scum buddy with an investigation result on day one is highly unlikely for a mafia move.

MMCL has a lot of investigation results on him, but the only one that matters is EPR's fake one. This is a bit of WIFOM -- would EPR have faked an investigation on his GF or not? In either case, the innocent result was perfectly legitimate. I think it's unlikely, but I can't rule it out.

Toodle and chaotic_diablo are potentially scum, in that there isn't anything to definitely rule them out. At the very least, we're down to 3 of 6, which is positive. Will re-read the thread (how many times have I said

that

today) and try to narrow it down further.

[chaotic_diablo]

well, by the looks of it, and thats yompithe died last night, we can say that there are no more docs. according to BW beung paranoid, then yompithe being sane, we can conclude the rest of the cop type roles are not sane. so far, we had two vigs killed on night 1 and 2. I think the only roles left are probably townies and probably some of those themed game roles. if i'm wrong, dont' bother correcting me or the mafia will probably target you.

[indentureddjinn]

I am leaving for three days, and I will be back on Monday.

Please feel free to post and such, and I will resume mod duties as I return

[chaotic_diablo]

alright, any ideas, suggestions, suspicions, etc?

[blackhawk]

Well, we need to focus on the people that havent been investigated and havent been proven innocent.

[Yaw]

Ok, first of all, paging Toodle, and drummer to the thread! (MMCL has an excuse, in that he's still on vacation, but getting back soon.)

Second, I read the thread. MMCL's said a few weird things, but nothing is as scummy as this:

mogg is a rookie if you've noticed. if i remember, everyone who used to be one has made a ton of mistakes. If you just swipe them and then deny them, they will certainly grow to dislike you.
On the otherhand, i don't know what to do. i've tried to post something, but i can't really make out what you people are talking about. First its about EPR and BW, then all of a sudden its switched to Mogg. First, Mogg sides with EPR because EPR seems to have proven hes a cop. When you attack mogg for defending someone who he thinks is cop, it just seems pretty darn stupid. this is just my opinion, all the talk above is pretty confusing so i didn't really read all of it. unless someone makes all this jumbled stuff clear, i think i'll keep my opinion at this point.

Look, he links himself to both of our scum!

Vote: chaotic_diablo

And two important points. Be aware of votes today, it's only 4 to lynch. Also, DO NOT ROLECLAIM unless forced to, at least for the moment. One of our best weapons so far against the scum has been the double-roleclaim. It could happen again, and I don't want to rule out the possibility with unnecessary roleclaims or a mass one.

[chaotic_diablo]

Ok, who here thought EPR was a little innocent after his claim? Without the counterclaim from yompithe, i'd bet most of you people would have thought EPR was inocent. EPR even had proof with that, so naturally i believed EPR. On the other hand, that qoute is only a summary about what you and mogg were complaining about or something. It was so repetitive, that it was completely stupid. Yaw frequently accuses mogg of defending someone and even though mogg defended each of yaw's point, yaw keeps coming back with the same reasons and points. i know of some people who also didn't read it(the mod included, lol).

[chaotic_diablo]

Ok, who here thought EPR was a little innocent after his claim? Without the counterclaim from yompithe, i'd bet most of you people would have thought EPR was inocent. EPR even had proof with that, so naturally i believed EPR. On the other hand, that qoute is only a summary about what you and mogg were complaining about or something. It was so repetitive, that it was completely stupid. Yaw frequently accuses mogg of defending someone and even though mogg defended each of yaw's point, yaw keeps coming back with the same reasons and points. i know of some people who also didn't read it(the mod included, lol).

[MMCL]

Hi all - Just a quick message to say I am back on Thursday - not much to add right now but tomorrow, I will add my 2p

[Toodle]

I'm here... just reading over the thread and trying to figure out who is the remaining scum.

[drummer97531]

My phone line sorta died or something. But it's back now, obviously.

That does kinda make CD look suspicious, though it was at the time when we didn't know which ones were scum, right?

I can't really tell about Toodle or MMCL.

[Yaw]

Ok, who here thought EPR was a little innocent after his claim? Without the counterclaim from yompithe, i'd bet most of you people would have thought EPR was inocent. EPR even had proof with that, so naturally i believed EPR. On the other hand, that qoute is only a summary about what you and mogg were complaining about or something. It was so repetitive, that it was completely stupid. Yaw frequently accuses mogg of defending someone and even though mogg defended each of yaw's point, yaw keeps coming back with the same reasons and points. i know of some people who also didn't read it(the mod included, lol).

So the exact logic that nailed Mogg (and by association EPR) is now stupid? Funny that.

At any rate, look back through Mogg's posts. You'll find that at a time when a normal townie should have been skeptical of

both

cop claimants equally, Mogg was definitely more skeptical of blackhawk than EPR. Why the discrepancy? Well, because they were both mafia together.

That does kinda make CD look suspicious, though it was at the time when we didn't know which ones were scum, right?

Correct. That's a quote from day 1.

[chaotic_diablo]

if i'm correct, it was also yaw's fault that mogg made a mistake in the first place, which was a good thing. but also means yaw would also be suspicious. just think, EPR somewhat proved his innocence, mogg protected EPR, yaw didn't believe EPR even with the proof, and decided to go for mogg and kept doing that. wouldn't that make him suspicious as well?

Yaw's logic on toodle and me being the only ones who might be mafia is not ocmplete. first, drummer is still a target, even though theres proof in that. For example, mogg claims, drummer counterclaims, mogg turns out to be mafia, drummer is cleared, even though drummer might still be mafia. As for the real armstrong, he/she probably isn't counterclaiming or just isn't doing anything. Now, doesn't that contradict yaw's reasoning? yaw ignores proof, and now why should he 'clear' someone when proof is there?

another target is also BW, though he might be a cop, i don't recall yompithe actually clearing him yet, that possibility also leads him to also be part of a mafia set plan. As for yaw himself, i don't believe just because he pointed out one or two mafia and helped lynch them classify him as 'clear'. he may as well be the godfather just looking for himself and not caring whatever happens.

@yaw, if i get bombarded with the same question over and over again in any shape or form, i'm personally going to suspect you.

(this post is not targeting anyone, just to let you know)

[Yaw]

if i'm correct, it was also yaw's fault that mogg made a mistake in the first place, which was a good thing. but also means yaw would also be suspicious. just think, EPR somewhat proved his innocence, mogg protected EPR, yaw didn't believe EPR even with the proof, and decided to go for mogg and kept doing that. wouldn't that make him suspicious as well?

So, I'm suspicious because we're living in an alternate universe where Mogg

wasn't

scum?

Going back through the thread, it wasn't my fault at all that Mogg made a mistake in the first place. He made the mistake in two posts, and I caught him for lurking in addition to that mistake. The roleclaim mistake is separate from that. You'll note that even after Mogg was sort of off-the-hook at the beginning of day 2, he dug his own grave by elaborating his roleclaim beyond credibility. There's a lot there that had nothing whatsoever to do with me.

Yaw's logic on toodle and me being the only ones who might be mafia is not ocmplete. first, drummer is still a target, even though theres proof in that. For example, mogg claims, drummer counterclaims, mogg turns out to be mafia, drummer is cleared, even though drummer might still be mafia. As for the real armstrong, he/she probably isn't counterclaiming or just isn't doing anything. Now, doesn't that contradict yaw's reasoning? yaw ignores proof, and now why should he 'clear' someone when proof is there?

Sure, misrepresent what I said. I actually said that MMCL could very well be scum. Even when saying people were innocent, it was a "likely innocent", not definite. But if drummer were scum, he'd have to be incredibly stupid to come out as Armstrong on day 2,

after

he had a chance to discuss things with Mogg on night two, in order to nail his partner. I prefer to give players more credit than that.

another target is also BW, though he might be a cop, i don't recall yompithe actually clearing him yet, that possibility also leads him to also be part of a mafia set plan. As for yaw himself, i don't believe just because he pointed out one or two mafia and helped lynch them classify him as 'clear'. he may as well be the godfather just looking for himself and not caring whatever happens.

Right, so blackhawk, as the mafia godfather, comes out day one without prompting with a guilty investigation on one of his buddies? I think you're clutching at straws here. Besides which, with a godfather out there NOBODY'S CLEAR. Innocent results mean nothing. That's why I considered whether or not you and MMCL were scum on the merits of what you posted, not yomipithe's investigations.

And you think

I

might be the godfather? That would mean that I tried to take the heat off scum buddy number one by starting a serious bandwagon on scum buddy number two. That's a pretty incredible accusation there.

@yaw, if i get bombarded with the same question over and over again in any shape or form, i'm personally going to suspect you.

Just as well. I don't have any questions for you. Everything above was rhetorical.