Mini Theme 2105: Assassins Mafia (Game Over!)

[popsofctown]

It's not only or even mainly a preflip assoc inference

If I see a 3 monther saying "your wincon when you roll scum is to nullread everyone, btw cool kids cut class and wear whatever sneakers the famous basketball players endorse", and the last three stances I can remember from that person are weak and pivotable I am happy to swallow Occam's razor and believe they play Associated Press/Reuters scum strats and then the weak reads being organic vs. fake is at least as good at 50/50

[popsofctown]

Also the scumreads on LA are some mix of mafia/assassin on her/"garbage"

Dumpster diving treasure hunting would be an ok strat
Sujimichi has sort of echoed why I wouldn't want to start with you for that

[GuyInFreezer]

Also the scumreads on LA are some mix of mafia/assassin on her/"garbage"

Mine is pretty simply laid out: Town wouldn't be afraid of being reaction tested.
No assassin motive. No "being garbage."

I don't know how to simplify this even more.

[popsofctown]

Town can be afraid of being reaction tested. It's a lot closer to "a pianist wouldn't be afraid of a piano recital" than it is to "an engineer wouldn't be afraid of an algebra test" to be saying that

[popsofctown]

I'm on ny there's so many city things omg

[popsofctown]

There are buildings that make no sense

[MariaR]

VC 1.2

Pine

(3)

- tris unwnd Dunnstral

Lady Angel

(2)

- GuyinFreezer NaCl

Definitely Not Scum

(2)

- Pine Lady Angel

popsofctown

(1)

- Sujimichi

NaCl

(1)

- popsofctown

GuyinFreezer

(1)

- bitbringer

Not voting

- , Shadoweh, AbuHumaid, Definitely Not Scum

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch!
Deadline ends in (expired on 2019-11-03 22:08:30)

[NaCl]

The misquote is obviously immaterial to the point I was making. I'm obviously very active

Okay, sure. But previously, I wasn't finding you as important to deal with as opposed to some other people.

I don't know how common it is in general, but I tend to try and put my scum partners as weak townreads or high null reads if I think I can get away with it.

Is your join date when you started playing forum mafia? Because this sounds sophomoric.
Is this why you're voting LA instead of unwnd when all the reasoning in your recent post would point to "unwnd, and maybe LA as a partner"?
Particularly when LA is way more townie so far
VOTE: nacl

I've played a little on another forum, but that's been 5+ years ago.
I know that that specific post made unwnd look worse, but as I said earlier, I find that LA has had suspicious interactions with a few people. Although maybe you don't care about asking about that, or trying to find out.

It's not only or even mainly a preflip assoc inference

If I see a 3 monther saying "your wincon when you roll scum is to nullread everyone, btw cool kids cut class and wear whatever sneakers the famous basketball players endorse", and the last three stances I can remember from that person are weak and pivotable I am happy to swallow Occam's razor and believe they play Associated Press/Reuters scum strats and then the weak reads being organic vs. fake is at least as good at 50/50

That's not what I meant. Rather, I mean that if I can get away with it, I tend to try to do that early on, as it creates a kind of group consensus away from those people, barring them doing anything particularily scummy. I'd rather keep the pressure off them rather than interact and risk getting caught.

LA is obvtown

Thank you for convincing me.

[tris]

I don't see why LA is obvtown. I think LA is obvcity.

I really don't though, and I don't see where the case has been made for that. I only see arguments against certain things being scummy.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Lady Angel

She has a tendency to look scummy as town, from my experience

But why would town fear the reaction test

This is important

It doesn't mean anything to me

[GuyInFreezer]

Well then.
Looks like she's gonna be replaced at this rate anyway.

[bitbringer]

what have i missed guys

-fb

[bitbringer]

Still haven't read. But I'm sure pops is town at least.

-bitmap

I TOLD YOU WE NEED TO FAKE A SCUMREAD ON HIM


GOSH

[bitbringer]

Btw I'm ignoring the assassin mech.
I think it's an antitown mechanic.

then its my kind of mechanic

[bitbringer]

im really not interesting in giving out analysis of peoples motivations rn, i don't think anyone is really into the game rn except pops and GIF. and me and my partner agree they are town, except i need to pretend pops is scum.

tris tone is hard for me to read, but she is like that every game ive read of her. So like i have to do more work to get in her brain.

[tris]

were you the head who called me a scum pirate?

[Definitely Not Scum]

Sorry about things, I'd been busy yesterday.

Also, most of the people I care most about sorting aren't really here, so that also is inconvenient.

Well, bitbringer, care to respond (in case you missed my 165)?

Anyways, DNS, questions for you, since you seem to be the only one around that I'm interested in.

Why did you unvote Pine earlier? And are you scumreading tris? Also, what was the point of saying that you can confirm yourself town and claiming you had a neighbourhood so early?

I kind of think this is town tris, but I've really only played one game with her, so I'll have to look more into her scum games.

I didn't unvote Pine, as we never voted for him. Oversoul voted for Tris earlier, and I removed the vote as I don't think that Tris is scum. I don't think that Oversoul is scumreading her anymore either, but he's V/LA so I haven't been able to touch base with him yet. Oversoul was the one who talked about us being able to confirm that we are town, and it has to do with our role and the neighborhood.


- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

Spoiler: Cheat sheet

Town
Pops
Tris
GiF
--
Lady Angel
Weh
Dunn
Suji
Abu
--
NaCl
DNS
Bitbringer
Pine
Scum

Where I'm tentatively at, wouldn't be shocked to be wrong about one of those townreads (see: previous post) but I digress

Why is Bitbringer so low on your readslist?

And why is LA so much higher up in relation to Pine? I think that Pine's push on our slot is more believable than LA's push on our slot. In particular:

Vote: Definitely Not Scum

The name compels me.

I haven't seen anything particularly scummy these few pages in but post #53 bothers me a little.

Vote: Definitely Not Scum

The name compels me.

I haven't seen anything particularly scummy these few pages in but post #53 bothers me a little.

RVS ends when you have a read that feels real

kind of like
my rights end
where your rights begin
i'm not touching you
i'm not touching you
you know

you should vote me

That's the thing, though. 53 and this makes me feel like you want to be voted, which naturally makes me a little worried about actually voting you because due to the amount of wine involved in something like this, so I'd rather hold off until things develop a bit more.

That being said, UNVOTE:

Hmm I detect cowardice.

You seem quite hung up on my unvoting what was very obviously a joke vote...

The post I was talking about in that post reeked of wine, which is generally going to be enough to get me to look at you, but probably not vote until we can sort out the wine first.

Most of DNS's defence has felt genuinely awful, being mostly OMGUS and wine without any real substance beyond "You guys are wrong because I'm town and I can prove it during the day even with only two votes on me". It's been really bad and seems like an extreme overreaction to just putting two votes down, so back on I go.

VOTE: DefinitelyNotScum

This one stays until they come up with a good defence.

As an aside, I have both work and a class on mondays, so I probably won't be around again for the remainder of the day.

You seem quite hung up on my unvoting what was very obviously a joke vote...

It had nothing to do with your joke vote nor the unvote actually. It had to do with literally everything except them, in fact.

The post I was talking about in that post reeked of wine, which is generally going to be enough to get me to look at you, but probably not vote until we can sort out the wine first.

aka the cowerdice. Why not vote her to sort that wine out yourself?

Why should I seriously vote four pages in? I know nothing of her except what I've seen for a few pages, so to me it's more worth waiting to see how someone acts normally to establish a baseline before applying any pressure when confronted with a player I don't know.

As an aside, past the wine I don't find pops particularly scummy.

Most of DNS's defence has felt genuinely awful, being mostly OMGUS and wine without any real substance beyond "You guys are wrong because I'm town and I can prove it during the day even with only two votes on me". It's been really bad and seems like an extreme overreaction to just putting two votes down, so back on I go.

It's awful sure
But is it scummy?

"I can prove myself as locktown in the day" as what appears to be a first line of defence feels like panicked scum, especially with one of the heads' admittance of "not being good at scum". Definitely feels like the best lead so far.

The bolded part feels highly exaggerated, if not fake. I'm not convinced that town!LA immediately jumps to the conclusion that Oversoul is not only scum, but "panicked scum" that concocted a story about being able to confirm that our slot is town in response to us getting 2/7 votes. Finding Oversoul's response scummy is one thing, but her framing Oversoul's posts as "panicked scum" feels forced/exaggerated. There is no reason for scum!Oversoul to "panic" over receiving 2/7 votes, and there is no consideration on her part that Oversoul said what he said simply because we are town and can prove as much through our role and the neighborhood.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[Definitely Not Scum]

LA is obvtown

She is not even close to being obvtown.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

[AbuHumaid]

Alright I'm here right now for real. Catching up in a bit...

[AbuHumaid]

Okay, so starting from the very beginning...

VOTE: MariaR

Wynaut

Uhh, fuck no. That pings me. It's RVS, you either vote someone for giggles or you vote someone for real, wtf is this FOS nonsense?

VOTE: tris Real vote

Forced post, why are you taking an early post so seriously? I also checked your ISO, your tenacity on your opinion is concerning. If you're so sure tris is scum, why would you change your vote to DNS? What do you think of tris now?

[NaCl]

You seem quite hung up on my unvoting what was very obviously a joke vote...

It had nothing to do with your joke vote nor the unvote actually. It had to do with literally everything except them, in fact.

The post I was talking about in that post reeked of wine, which is generally going to be enough to get me to look at you, but probably not vote until we can sort out the wine first.

aka the cowerdice. Why not vote her to sort that wine out yourself?

Why should I seriously vote four pages in? I know nothing of her except what I've seen for a few pages, so to me it's more worth waiting to see how someone acts normally to establish a baseline before applying any pressure when confronted with a player I don't know.

As an aside, past the wine I don't find pops particularly scummy.

Most of DNS's defence has felt genuinely awful, being mostly OMGUS and wine without any real substance beyond "You guys are wrong because I'm town and I can prove it during the day even with only two votes on me". It's been really bad and seems like an extreme overreaction to just putting two votes down, so back on I go.

It's awful sure
But is it scummy?

"I can prove myself as locktown in the day" as what appears to be a first line of defence feels like panicked scum, especially with one of the heads' admittance of "not being good at scum". Definitely feels like the best lead so far.

The bolded part feels highly exaggerated, if not fake. I'm not convinced that town!LA immediately jumps to the conclusion that Oversoul is not only scum, but "panicked scum" that concocted a story about being able to confirm that our slot is town in response to us getting 2/7 votes. Finding Oversoul's response scummy is one thing, but her framing Oversoul's posts as "panicked scum" feels forced/exaggerated. There is no reason for scum!Oversoul to "panic" over receiving 2/7 votes, and there is no consideration on her part that Oversoul said what he said simply because we are town and can prove as much through our role and the neighborhood.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

This is the part that worried me as well, I was just having trouble putting it into words. When I saw DNS claiming they could confirm themselves as town, I thought it was either a reaction test, a gambit, or actually true. Like, sure, it's something that scum could do and try to play it off later. However, I don't think that attempting to ascribe some sort of emotional motivation is something that I can see from it.

DNS (well, Oversoul), how much mafia have you played with LA before this game?

Also, oops, I don't know how I got Pine and tris mixed up.


On another note, if LA is mafia, Pops is as well.

[popsofctown]

Post 317 isn't something worth indicting for but I believe volxen believes it so that's why he gets to have garbage or assassin slots on the LA wagon.

On another note, if LA is mafia, pops is as well

Let's make this a homework problem for "the inactives who can't gain traction". Because really. How much value is this thought worth and why, if you need to use measurements like "lint at the current foreign exchange rate" that's ok.
Dunnstral, sujimichi, or pine only.
Not Abu humaid or LA because their lack of content is they haven't read everything.
Not shadoweh because I already scumread her for every post besides her last one but like I want to hang with her for three more day phases tho. I guess she can answer I guess she should count.
MariaR may answer also like if she wants to.

[NaCl]

Not Abu humaid or LA because their lack of content is they haven't read everything.

LA is obvtown

How do you hold these views at the same time?

Literally all you're saying in regards to LA is "she's so town" without providing a single reason. And you don't seem to care about my reasons at all, because if you did, you would have asked me.

Explain why she's so obviously town beyond just calling people's cases bad.

[popsofctown]

Being the victim of bad cases is strongly town indicative on its own but I can tell you when I have some time