Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:12 am
Could we hear some from Arkias? They haven't spoken in a while and I haven't been able to make a decision on them.
Yes, I do have some suspicion about Karnage because of this, but I messed up at the time I made this post, which I later corrected, because I forgot Karnage was voting you at the time, and you were my second preference for a vote at the time, and that status hasn't really changed. If Gilded flips red, then it definitely increases my suspicion that Karnage chose to park his vote on a slot where there was no interest rather than a slot he thought was scummy despite the fact that it would have been a hammer. I may go check games to see if Karnage has hammered before.In post 293, bepwei wrote:Wow, I’m not anybody? /sIn post 282, Billy Pilgrim wrote:@Karnage - kinda curious as to why you haven't declared intent yet. You felt like the Jones slot was scummy and then Gikded hasn't done anything to redeem it, you dont have your vote on anyone and it's like 36 hours until deadline. What are you thinking right now?
Heavy doesnt seem to understand Micc's point, but I dont know if hes misinterpreting it in bad faith.
Do you have rising suspicion of Karnage because of this? A few posts ago you were worried about me having suspicions of Karnage. If the Gilded slot flips red, will that change you opinion of Karnage?
What made you list them as null/scum in your reads list then?In post 300, TheGildedSun wrote:Could we hear some from Arkias? They haven't spoken in a while and I haven't been able to make a decision on them.
In post 302, Billy Pilgrim wrote:What made you list them as null/scum in your reads list then?In post 300, TheGildedSun wrote:Could we hear some from Arkias? They haven't spoken in a while and I haven't been able to make a decision on them.
@billy this was my initial thought while accusing you. I personally trusted the AtE from Jones and never really felt anything strong enough to vote. I currently am not ready to hammer Gilded and would prefer someone else to be voted out over her. (Hence my vote on you)In post 228, bepwei wrote: At the risk of sounding like I defending LCpl, I personally wasn’t super suspicious of him and I actually trust his AtE. It’s not a wagon I’m was comfortable joining blindly.
But alot happened after the AtE. What are you making of that? Also, are you just town reading because of the AtE?In post 304, bepwei wrote:@billy this was my initial thought while accusing you. I personally trusted the AtE from Jones and never really felt anything strong enough to vote. I currently am not ready to hammer Gilded and would prefer someone else to be voted out over her. (Hence my vote on you)In post 228, bepwei wrote: At the risk of sounding like I defending LCpl, I personally wasn’t super suspicious of him and I actually trust his AtE. It’s not a wagon I’m was comfortable joining blindly.
As to Gyro, check out Mini Normal 2098, it's in my played games. Focus on the Kraeg slot. Terrible D1 where he was sort of deliberately provocative. I ended up falling for it and hard defending him for it. He got lynched and flipped red on D2. They came after me on D3 because of it. Sometimes scum just play pretty scummy and anti-town. I like that you're looking for motivation, but that's probably too high for him.In post 294, TheGildedSun wrote:Answering about Gyro:In post 292, Billy Pilgrim wrote:@Gilded - why is Gyro so high up in your town reads? Your bottom three reads were three of the people voting you. Why is Gyro different? Also, still waiting on a response to 275
Something similar is happening in another game I am playing (not going to elaborate because not to talk about ongoing games) but basically I view a player who refuses to help town as themself town. It would be too obvious for them to be mafia, whether them a troll or not. Usually mafia plays to conceal themselves, be viewed as helpful, and to blend in with town. Sure, they might sheep/be quiet, but I don't think they would deliberately make decisions such as Gyro to stand out.
About Micc:
Honestly I'm not confident at all with who is town. I just have a gut feeling that someone who is taking a leading role in this game is mafia and that is why it is being thrown so heavily on my slot. I do full heartedly agree with why he was initially viewed as suspicious with the whole "sheeping" talk on BBmolla but I feel like scum is pulling the strings.
My playstyle is more so game solving/asking questions than finding scum, I'm not experienced enough to have a good enough skill to do so. In fact sometimes I am labeled suspicious because of my true neutral playstyle... Sorry if I'm not of much help. One of my setbacks is my fear of being wrong but I'm trying to overcome this.
So is Billy no longer a scum read for you?In post 297, bepwei wrote: The reasoning behind that question is that Billy now started to see the same thing I did. You have yet to really add anything as to why you think the Gilded slot is likely to be scum other than what has already been said. I dislike the inconsistency in the fact that you find them suspicious but don’t vote and don’t really explain your feelings behind it. All we’ve gotten from you about the gilded slot is that the replacement doesn’t make you feel better about it and that the FoS from LCpl.
I'm not sure what you flip which is why I was reluctant to state intent earlier. I'm not a fan of anaconda's play and they are in my potential scum pool.In post 298, TheGildedSun wrote:What about anaconda? If you truly believe I'll flip red, what is your opinion on anaconda's defense of me and the attack on Micc? Do you think they are a potential scum team with me or just a "misguided" townie?
LCpl was a nullscum until the AtE when I believed it. I’m not exactly sure what you mean when you refer to the stuff after the AtE. I town lean the Gilded slot currently. I never saw the stuff against LCpl that compelling and more of an attack against his play. That could be me not used to the site meta, but the AtE definitely made me feel better about the slot if that’s what you’re asking.In post 305, Billy Pilgrim wrote:But alot happened after the AtE. What are you making of that? Also, are you just town reading because of the AtE?In post 304, bepwei wrote:@billy this was my initial thought while accusing you. I personally trusted the AtE from Jones and never really felt anything strong enough to vote. I currently am not ready to hammer Gilded and would prefer someone else to be voted out over her. (Hence my vote on you)In post 228, bepwei wrote: At the risk of sounding like I defending LCpl, I personally wasn’t super suspicious of him and I actually trust his AtE. It’s not a wagon I’m was comfortable joining blindly.
If so, I can show you tons of games where I saw someone throw up their hands with an AtE and the flip red.
I never said that... he may agree with me, but that doesn’t clear him.. sure it makes me feel better about him, but that would be letting him pocket me without Billy having to try.In post 308, Karnage wrote:So is Billy no longer a scum read for you?In post 297, bepwei wrote: The reasoning behind that question is that Billy now started to see the same thing I did. You have yet to really add anything as to why you think the Gilded slot is likely to be scum other than what has already been said. I dislike the inconsistency in the fact that you find them suspicious but don’t vote and don’t really explain your feelings behind it. All we’ve gotten from you about the gilded slot is that the replacement doesn’t make you feel better about it and that the FoS from LCpl.
"Billy now started to see the same thing I did" doesn't make sense to me when you don't pair it with an unvote. the wording implies that you know he is town yet you're still voting him.In post 311, bepwei wrote:I never said that... he may agree with me, but that doesn’t clear him.. sure it makes me feel better about him, but that would be letting him pocket me without Billy having to try.In post 308, Karnage wrote:So is Billy no longer a scum read for you?In post 297, bepwei wrote: The reasoning behind that question is that Billy now started to see the same thing I did. You have yet to really add anything as to why you think the Gilded slot is likely to be scum other than what has already been said. I dislike the inconsistency in the fact that you find them suspicious but don’t vote and don’t really explain your feelings behind it. All we’ve gotten from you about the gilded slot is that the replacement doesn’t make you feel better about it and that the FoS from LCpl.
Nowhere in that sentence does it indicate his alignment. The ‘same thing as me’ was included to tell you why I brought up the the connections to the Gilded slot flipping red and your possible alignment a second time.In post 312, Karnage wrote:"Billy now started to see the same thing I did" doesn't make sense to me when you don't pair it with an unvote. the wording implies that you know he is town yet you're still voting him.In post 311, bepwei wrote:I never said that... he may agree with me, but that doesn’t clear him.. sure it makes me feel better about him, but that would be letting him pocket me without Billy having to try.In post 308, Karnage wrote:So is Billy no longer a scum read for you?In post 297, bepwei wrote: The reasoning behind that question is that Billy now started to see the same thing I did. You have yet to really add anything as to why you think the Gilded slot is likely to be scum other than what has already been said. I dislike the inconsistency in the fact that you find them suspicious but don’t vote and don’t really explain your feelings behind it. All we’ve gotten from you about the gilded slot is that the replacement doesn’t make you feel better about it and that the FoS from LCpl.
it shows you believe he was seeing things from a town perspective because if he was scum any thing he sees would be FAKE!In post 315, bepwei wrote:Nowhere in that sentence does it indicate his alignment. The ‘same thing as me’ was included to tell you why I brought up the the connections to the Gilded slot flipping red and your possible alignment a second time.In post 312, Karnage wrote: "Billy now started to see the same thing I did" doesn't make sense to me when you don't pair it with an unvote. the wording implies that you know he is town yet you're still voting him.
Why are you town leaning the Gilded slot currently? You didnt see the LCPL things that strongly, so how does it make you feel that the first thing Gilded did was explain why she agreed with people's reasons for scumreading Jones?In post 310, bepwei wrote:LCpl was a nullscum until the AtE when I believed it. I’m not exactly sure what you mean when you refer to the stuff after the AtE. I town lean the Gilded slot currently. I never saw the stuff against LCpl that compelling and more of an attack against his play. That could be me not used to the site meta, but the AtE definitely made me feel better about the slot if that’s what you’re asking.In post 305, Billy Pilgrim wrote:But alot happened after the AtE. What are you making of that? Also, are you just town reading because of the AtE?In post 304, bepwei wrote:@billy this was my initial thought while accusing you. I personally trusted the AtE from Jones and never really felt anything strong enough to vote. I currently am not ready to hammer Gilded and would prefer someone else to be voted out over her. (Hence my vote on you)In post 228, bepwei wrote: At the risk of sounding like I defending LCpl, I personally wasn’t super suspicious of him and I actually trust his AtE. It’s not a wagon I’m was comfortable joining blindly.
If so, I can show you tons of games where I saw someone throw up their hands with an AtE and the flip red.
So a scum never should agree with the town? If they are trying to blend in, they would have to agree with town at some point...In post 316, Karnage wrote:it shows you believe he was seeing things from a town perspective because if he was scum any thing he sees would be FAKE!In post 315, bepwei wrote:Nowhere in that sentence does it indicate his alignment. The ‘same thing as me’ was included to tell you why I brought up the the connections to the Gilded slot flipping red and your possible alignment a second time.In post 312, Karnage wrote: "Billy now started to see the same thing I did" doesn't make sense to me when you don't pair it with an unvote. the wording implies that you know he is town yet you're still voting him.
Because I really am at a loss of who is mafia. But if I had to drop a vote it would probably be on Arkias.In post 314, Karnage wrote:@Gilded - is there a reason why you aren't even voting with 18 hours left?
"Hey scum!Billy, I'm glad you are seeing things the way I am! please tell me how your fake reads are changing atm and how your fake read on karnage will change when your partner flips red. I ask this fully aware that as scum, you will likely try to blend in." - bepweiIn post 318, bepwei wrote: So a scum never should agree with the town? If they are trying to blend in, they would have to agree with town at some point...