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You kept on saying it was bad and blown out of proportion but now it is townie?

Feel my wrath.

And now you weren’t gonna switch your vote to profii “just now”, you wanted to get egix to talk on it first, but my post prompted you to do just that.

I'm not 'posturing' to do anything, I'm trying to figure out where Egix's head is at wrt to his profii townread.

People were asking me why I felt that way, and when I made the vote, that was how I felt at the time. My opinions can change over time and I think this is pretty clear in 220 that the read was starting to turn around.

I didn't move my vote bc A) I thought profii had like 5 votes on him which is why I didn't want to switch until I saw the VC and that's where I would've moved my vote and B) There wasn't a better place other than that to move it to imo.

In post 301, insomnia wrote:And now you weren’t gonna switch your vote to profii “just now”, you wanted to get egix to talk on it first, but my post prompted you to do just that.

And where did I ever imply that I didn't intend on switching my vote? Egix is townreading profii so why would I need him to clarify his townread on profii in order for me to vote for profii, who I am currently scumreading.

In post 255, Ame wrote:

In post 238, Luca Blight wrote:On balance I have Alchemist as a slight town lean.

I’m still happy with my Profii vote - there’s nothing about his play thus far that makes me think he’s Town.

Based on this reasoning, what makes profii a better play over EV, Looker, Wimpy?

That’s not my only reasoning for scumreading Profii - I mentioned the other reasons previously.

In post 256, Ame wrote:

In post 235, Luca Blight wrote:

In post 133, AaronFrost wrote:

In post 81, insomnia wrote:So what are you scum reading me for again?

Mostly for post 56 which felt a little exaggerated and forced to me. Followed by your immediate retraction about two minutes later. To me it read like 'oh shit I said something that might be perceived as scummy better retract it real quick.'

It's not a strong read tbh but it's a start.

I like this thought-process, I think Frost is Town.

You already had him as town, why did you go back to 133 in your thread reading?

I was reading back through the thread and felt like elaborating on my earlier read.

what do you think about the points insomnia has made against Aaron?

In post 291, AaronFrost wrote:I think I am starting to lean town on you a bit atm but

I'll need to do an ISO dive at some point

which I don't have a lot of time for atm.

In post 297, AaronFrost wrote:

Do I need to comment on every single one of your posts? Just because I haven't commented on them doesn't mean I haven't been observing them or taking them into consideration.

They way you respond to the vote is what's telling and I think in general you've responded fairly well to it.

I've also responded to your cases so

So you haven’t really been observing them.

In post 262, EeveeLution Army wrote: btw i love your avatar. such a good anime so far.

Thanks! The feeling is mutual.

While I have you, what are your thoughts on Aaron, Chara, Profii, and Luca?

In post 229, Chara wrote:

Spoiler:

In post 223, Ame wrote:

@Chara

In post 206, Chara wrote:Looker wearing his heart on his sleeve (along with his process) is interesting. i kind of like it.

(1) What in Looker's post above are you referencing as wearing their heart on their sleeve? (2) Have you played with Looker before?


You stated in 162 that you voted for profii because of his JTB vote post, and provided your reasoning in 214 that it was because it assigned AI to a NAI opinon:

In post 162, Chara wrote: Egix: i was wondering why you were concerned about what seemed to be two of many random votes flying around, but it does look like you had a reason. i voted profii for 10, mainly.

In post 215, Chara wrote:

In post 214, Ame wrote:@Chara what didn't you like about profiis jtb vote?

that it assigned an alignment to an NAI opinion about day 1. even if saying "first scum" sounds like an exaggeration/joke from profii. not the biggest thing but as i still haven't found anything else to chew on i'm fine with it, and profii's posting in general doesn't have townvibes so far. it's really not a big read, but since i didn't elaborate before i get why you're asking.

But you agreed with his reasoning here:

In post 54, Chara wrote:

In post 18, profii wrote:

In post 17, Wimpy wrote:Nobody is a fan of day 1.

Yet we all have to do it

So I find it really frustrating in every other game I play when someone comes in and goes "Day one? Nope"

It's not fair on all the other players

+1
i'm fine with day 1 because the first step for me in understanding how to read someone is getting a feel for how they play and think.

(3) Could you clarify.

(4) What do you think of JTB's scum reads?
(5) What do you think of Aaron's play so far and the contradiction I mentioned above (and am going to subsequently respond to)?

2: i have not.

Where did you get his gender from?

In post 304, Luca Blight wrote:

In post 256, Ame wrote:

In post 235, Luca Blight wrote:

In post 133, AaronFrost wrote:

In post 81, insomnia wrote:So what are you scum reading me for again?

Mostly for post 56 which felt a little exaggerated and forced to me. Followed by your immediate retraction about two minutes later. To me it read like 'oh shit I said something that might be perceived as scummy better retract it real quick.'

It's not a strong read tbh but it's a start.

I like this thought-process, I think Frost is Town.

You already had him as town, why did you go back to 133 in your thread reading?

I was reading back through the thread and felt like elaborating on my earlier read.

In 169 you stated that you were caught up but skimmed and would begin isoing. Later in 175 you confirmed a town read on Aaron. (1) Presumably, you went through his iso at this point, yes?

Over two new pages were produced by the time of your next post, 234. Again, 175 indicates that you were caught up with the thread up to 175, or at least with Aaron up to that point. (2) What prodded you in 234/235 to go back and review pre-175? I presume you had not yet caught up with the 2 new pages because in 237 you stated that you were unaware of Alchemist's post on the previous page. (3) Is this presumption correct?

It's just curious to me that you read back through something you had already read back through and formed a solid opinion on, while there was new content available that you had not yet caught up on.

I skim through the thread and then read back in more detail later - that is my usual habit.

For example, the recent stuff about Frost above I haven’t yet given my attention to - I’ll read back though it when I have the time and energy to do so.

In post 10, profii wrote:

In post 9, JTheophrastus Bartholomew wrote:VOTE: Exix96
I am not a fan of day 1.
I will be keeping up with the thread but don't expect any long detailed reads lists.

And we found our first scum

VOTE: JT Bart

In post 18, profii wrote:

In post 17, Wimpy wrote:Nobody is a fan of day 1.

Yet we all have to do it

So I find it really frustrating in every other game I play when someone comes in and goes "Day one? Nope"

It's not fair on all the other players

Profii, would love if you could clarify whether the first post was RVS or you were actually scum reading him for saying that?

I actually changed my mind on Egix and think he's town. It's hard for me to fathom that he'd actively defend villager profii here against my and chara's votes knowing that at some point in the game, he'd have to explain that defence, especially because it's his first form of contribution and it stands out.

In post 87, profii wrote:Aaron how do you typically feel about the RVS stage of the game?

Not liking this question.

Lowkey tending to town read Eevee as well. Lurkers are usually under the mindset that they will lie somewhere in the PoE and will be a suspect regardless, so what I'm looking for here is some form of posting that speaks from the mindset of "Look, I might not be here a lot, but when I am I really do stuff", some form of self-awareness.

Eevee seems to be more like a town lurker, mainly because she (/he ?) doesn't care about what she posts when she comes in the thread. It's like, I see a post, I react to it, I pop out, shrug. There's not really an agenda of trying to look like she's doing too much work in order to get town read.

Hope that makes sense.

I’m having a change of heart on Frost, based on his reaction to Insomnia’s pressure which comes across as appeasement. I also agree that his Insomnia SR seemed a bit faked in that he doesn’t really do anything with it and just coasts on it for a while until he is pressured into jumping off. And thirdly I agree that it looks as though he had been positioning himself to vote Profii for some time before he did so.

VOTE: Frost

I guess the same can be said about JB. It takes some massive balls as a lurker on day one to post like that and maintain consistency. The fact that he's not trying to get town read by interacting in the thread and acting all friendly and stuff to other people is townie. He's just pushing whatever he finds relevant.

I think on Day one it's important to establish a block of people you're gonna lynch and people that you're not gonna lynch.

That block of people I am more than happy to lynch looks like this :

profii/aaron/alchemist

If I were being selfish I’d prefer to leave Frost for D1 as I have a perfect record in reading him correctly, but it usually takes a while to get there.

I still think Profii has a good chance of flipping scum - I’m just not seeing any real intent to find scum from him and it really is of stark contrast to my previous game with him when he was Town.

In post 308, Ame wrote:In 169 you stated that you were caught up but skimmed and would begin isoing. Later in 175 you confirmed a town read on Aaron. (1) Presumably, you went through his iso at this point, yes?

Over two new pages were produced by the time of your next post, 234. Again, 175 indicates that you were caught up with the thread up to 175, or at least with Aaron up to that point. (2) What prodded you in 234/235 to go back and review pre-175? I presume you had not yet caught up with the 2 new pages because in 237 you stated that you were unaware of Alchemist's post on the previous page. (3) Is this presumption correct?

It's just curious to me that you read back through something you had already read back through and formed a solid opinion on, while there was new content available that you had not yet caught up on.

In post 309, Luca Blight wrote:I skim through the thread and then read back in more detail later - that is my usual habit.

In post 310, Luca Blight wrote:For example, the recent stuff about Frost above I haven’t yet given my attention to - I’ll read back though it when I have the time and energy to do so.

In post 315, Luca Blight wrote:I’m having a change of heart on Frost, based on his reaction to Insomnia’s pressure which comes across as appeasement. I also agree that his Insomnia SR seemed a bit faked in that he doesn’t really do anything with it and just coasts on it for a while until he is pressured into jumping off. And thirdly I agree that it looks as though he had been positioning himself to vote Profii for some time before he did so.

VOTE: Frost

:

• Do you find this interaction suspicious?
  
• Do you feel that either of these players is town?

UNVOTE:

In post 307, insomnia wrote:

In post 291, AaronFrost wrote:I think I am starting to lean town on you a bit atm but

I'll need to do an ISO dive at some point

which I don't have a lot of time for atm.

In post 297, AaronFrost wrote:

Do I need to comment on every single one of your posts? Just because I haven't commented on them doesn't mean I haven't been observing them or taking them into consideration.

They way you respond to the vote is what's telling and I think in general you've responded fairly well to it.

I've also responded to your cases so

So you haven’t really been observing them.

I have been, but I'll often revisit ISOs and read through stuff again in order to solidify my reads.

In post 315, Luca Blight wrote:I’m having a change of heart on Frost, based on his reaction to Insomnia’s pressure which comes across as appeasement. I also agree that his Insomnia SR seemed a bit faked in that he doesn’t really do anything with it and just coasts on it for a while until he is pressured into jumping off. And thirdly I agree that it looks as though he had been positioning himself to vote Profii for some time before he did so.

VOTE: Frost

I like how you called me out for using insomnia's wording here yet you just did the same thing with this post.

Ngl Luca I'm not really getting town vibes from you either this game.

In post 319, Looker wrote:

@Macabre / AaronFrost / profii / Alchemist21

:

• Do you find this interaction suspicious?
  
• Do you feel that either of these players is town?

UNVOTE:

Eh not really, I think Ame's question is fair. Usually I try to get caught up as much as I can before I comment on stuff but I think that's a just a playstyle thing.

I'm getting townvibes from Ame, not sure I like the naked vote on me with no explanation though. Luca's vote is much worse though and I think I'm leaning scum there currently.

In post 322, AaronFrost wrote:

In post 315, Luca Blight wrote:I’m having a change of heart on Frost, based on his reaction to Insomnia’s pressure which comes across as appeasement. I also agree that his Insomnia SR seemed a bit faked in that he doesn’t really do anything with it and just coasts on it for a while until he is pressured into jumping off. And thirdly I agree that it looks as though he had been positioning himself to vote Profii for some time before he did so.

VOTE: Frost

I like how you called me out for using insomnia's wording here yet you just did the same thing with this post.

Ngl Luca I'm not really getting town vibes from you either this game.

The difference is I was openly agreeing with Insomnia, whereas you were accusing him of something he had already admitted himself?