, I would reserve comment until they respond to Amrun's question.
When you address this, do you mind including where you were at before the answer, and what you were hoping for/received specifically from the response as you think relevant?
I set out for tonight with a goal to get a townread and a heal vote down to match, as productive as poking at things I don't like about Nacho/Chara is that's only half the game right now (Though Nacho or Amrun might argue it's more). I remembered really liking Chemist and so skimmed them again. I liked #27 being pretty enthusiastic about Hectic, the impatience lining up well with the rest of Chemist's play, and #29's reaction to Billy's meta was solid. The middle parts are lackluster, and then the Heal vote on Asreel in #62 confuses me: A light instinct to TR Asreel is fine, but switching the heal vote from Hectic seemed wack.
HEAL: Hectic There's a chance this stays but it's the best I can see without reading more, especially given the votes already on it. I need to sleep for now, hopefully can revisit specific players and reads more clearly tomorrow now that I'm caught up and have answered all the questions I see.
HURT: popsofctown, removing a vote placed by my predecessor. I might use it for reads if I feel it'll be illustrative, but I'd be surprised if I placed a hurt vote the rest of the day unless absolutely required to hammer.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:43 am
by Replica
Nacho and Chara are both of the other heal votes on Hectic oh good god
Well tomorrow Replica it's all you champ I'm tagging out. Probably doesn't matter but lmao
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:24 am
by popsofctown
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Replica was also lying on the ground, putting them on eye level with Nachomamma8 and Hectic. This was not due to mimicry on Replica's part. Replica had just been lying on the ground to begin with. Actually, they had been lying on the ground before any of the monsters had arrived at all, because they were feeling kind of sad.
"Hey, arts and crafts." Replica noticed a diversion he was familiar with.
"I think... that could be the game we play.. if that's ok. Look."
Replica, who was still not feeling swell, floated close enough to Nachomamma8 to cry onto him. His fauxflake head pattern was the coldest part of his body, so Replica's tears froze along it in a sharp shape, allowing them to make a frosty version of the headgear Hectic had just ruined. They modified it to be smaller and match Hectic's size, twirling the shape around and allowing it to partially melt and refreeze. Replica had to sculpt away lots of excess ice from the shape. Fortunately, there was plenty of extra ice. But also, unfortunately, there was plenty of extra ice. The final outcome looked similar to the headgear Nachomamma8 had made, but the icicles Replica had added to the bottom served as a signature touch.
"Do.. do you like it?" It was unclear whether Replica was asking Nachomamma8 or Hectic, because they were too shy to make eye contact.
They pulled the creation and lowered it onto Hectic's head. Hectic tried to bite it and lick it at first, but there was something special about the ice that made it durable. Once Hectic realized it was essentially a chew toy he could wear, he began to excitedly wag his third foot (as he was pretty sure his tail was missing at the moment for unrelated reasons).
Replica's countenance softened, seeming less depressed, perhaps bordering on content.
"I think if we pick some kind of arts and crafts game... and we are really nice and have a nice game... even if Hectic can't make things, he can be our judge or model.... that was my idea for a game maybe... it's just an idea..."
Replica began to lie on the ground - but this time for contemplation and not pure depression.
With eleven players alive, it takes six votes to make a decision. (expired on 2020-01-28 22:00:00)
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:56 am
by Amrun
Replica, how would you have expected Nacho to approach Hectic’s meta differently as town?
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 7:59 am
by Nachomamma8
Replica, the following is the best description of my idea approach - I do not desire to fight early and spare later like it may have seemed based on other posting:
In post 113, Hectic wrote:I now believe the best strategy is to adapt based on how strong your reads are. Is there an obvtown floating around? SPARE them. Is there someone you're confident is scum? FIGHT them.
I agree wholeheartedly, little one.
This is the approach that I would also like to take, with one small accompaniment - it is less punishing to be wrong when picking a fight than it is when sparing a soul, and so I'm more likely to hurt than heal.
Secondly, you quoted one of Hectic's town games. I believe I linked Hectic's only scum game in the post you're referring to.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:02 am
by Nachomamma8
Although I suppose you are right I in that I likely want to murder early and not late but that's operating on the assumption that I probably won't be around late but I will be around early.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:15 am
by Nachomamma8
And now I see the last two pages are considerably more sense than I expected. I am hungover but I will read into them with a bit more patience and caution in a little while. If we are murdering I'm happy to kill Pine or Asriel for the exact same reason of "they haven't done shit nor attempted to do shit". Sparing wise I'm currently comfortable with Hectic or bust but that might change on a reread when I'm in a bit more of a thoughtful mood.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:00 am
by Hectic
why PINE has been so disengaged and prodgy this game, especially considering he seemed
This is the only content he's posted so far. Everything else has been fluff/VLA status updates. Upon his return, I would
love
to hear his reasoning on these votes, and who he thinks the best SPARE/FIGHT is
right now
.
The detective is an
interesting
one. Upon reevaluation of 41, I get the impression his vote and comment on Mew was part of RVS, given how the post also contains parts like "The tiger seemed mostly distracted, and I decided that, in order as not to risk life and limb, to wait for it to have eaten and reached contentedness with what was going on before engaging it." Since then, I've seen Moriartyhunting through his posts, including 207, where he attacks Alimdia. Given in the detective's mind, his vote and "sheep" had simply been a meaningless RVS one, I can understand why he'd find criticism of it as Moriarty-working-for-indicative. And WHY would he pass up an opportunity like that?
Alimdia's thoughts recently have been very good however, and I find myself agreeing with many of them.
Chemist recently has
lacked
the goodness in his posts the idiot skeleton saw in him early on. Do you still like your SPARE on Asriel?
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:10 am
by Hectic
reply to the snowdrake shows he has real good reasons for wanting to SPARE the friendly neighbour today.
his loserhunting is good.
like his retort to Amrun or reconsidering his townread on Nacho when he doubted his risk assessment.
his heart lies in the right place.
if we don't SPARE the Dog, we SPARE this guy.
or even if we do, consider him for tomorrow. HEAL: Hectic
for now.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:11 am
by Hectic
HURT: Pine
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:13 am
by popsofctown
This was meant to be done earlier: I am extending the deadline by the amount of time that passed between the nonexistent post JTheophrastus Bartholomew owed if he were to not be prodded, and Replica's first game post. This calculated to an extension of 33 hours. I will update the most recent votecount, other votecounts will retain the old deadline. (expired on 2020-01-28 22:00:00)
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:23 am
by Hectic
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:37 am
by Chemist1422
I’m not 100% on my Asriel spare, never was, but he hasn’t done anything to make him strongly trend down
I haven’t been that around tbh but you’re probably the only person I would consider moving my spare to
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:10 pm
by Replica
For Nacho: I think the strengths of the adapting as you situationally get townreads strategy is self-apparent and agree with you there, my question is "Why lynch Day 1 specifically?" I mentioned before that I think there's something to be said for starting your engine Day 1 over Day 4 in the engagement, flips value, etc. theory, but I think the principle I outlined strongly indicates that we should spare Day 1 and lynch later if we do so at all. Odds for correct spares and correct lynches are inversely proportional. My view is that Day 1 lynch we might as well be throwing it in the trash. Why not spare Day 1 and lynch Day 2 or Day 3, with the addition of a nightkill?
Nacho wrote:Secondly, you quoted one of Hectic's town games. I believe I linked Hectic's only scum game in the post you're referring to.
Yeah Hectic told me-my mistake, your selection of the other game is at a minimum rational even if I disagree that it's useful. Sorry about that. On a separate-but-similar note: Do you still think it's useful/indicative given the level of play we've seen from Hectic?
In post 303, Amrun wrote:Replica, how would you have expected Nacho to approach Hectic’s meta differently as town?
This was previously answered in the second paragraph of #297. The almost willfully bad review didn't fit cleanly into either towny or scummy, but fit better in the latter. The corollary is that as town I would have expected an attempt at finding a more representative selection. This is now a counterfactual given my mistake in Hectic's alignment that game (There were no other selections)
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:45 pm
by Replica
Pine and Asreel
being deadweight is a lot more frustrating to me now than it was yesterday. The mechanics of this game do not give us the luxury of clearing out lurkers early. Asking 8 other people to count on you to win the game when you only start trying later (Day 3? Day 4?) is absurd. This game will wind up to be very unforgiving of you later. Catch up and get involved now, when it's 13 pages, instead of when it's Day 4 and there's 90.
Chemist:
I was a little confused when you switched to Asreel from Hectic to begin with, do you mind talking more about the thought process behind the switch?
I like Sujimichi's posting, and agree with him completely on FN, but I want more of a sample size. His reads are okay but the thought that went into them (#154 reaction to Amrun, "unless you truly believe..." line of #217 to Chara) is good, but I really want evidence that that thoughtfulness is alignment-indicative. The most town thing is the progression on FN I think. Push comes to shove, I'd spare him, but I want to wait on this one. Sujimichi feels like the type of person who I have to look more for extended patterns and opportunism than tone/single reads.
I thought I'd switch my heal vote but I'm fine leaving it on Hectic. Tracing through his progression in thinking on Sherlock is pretty good. I also agree that alimdia's posting is good, despite disagreeing with most of it (Rejection of meta, their read on Amrun, inadequate (? not quite the right word sorry) sidetaking by Hectic, Asreel/Pine attention implications, we kind of agree on Chara and I'm neutral about most of the rest)
I've posted enough for now and really want other people to get into gear so we can jam.
In post 207, SherlockHolmes wrote:Although the good gentleman Pine’s lack of presence here is a little disturbing, I have it on good recommendation that the chap prefers working for Moriarty than working against him. As such, I’m taking his limited engagement thus far to be relatively indicative of him being a good sort this game. That said, it is mildly concerning that his inactivity has continued since Nachomamma8’s presence has spiked upward, given that he professed a strong wish to play with him.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:23 pm
by Sujimichi
In post 288, alimdia wrote:While I believe this initial post seems to come from a town POV, a lot of his posts are centered around this, and has caused it to become a 'safe topic' for people to weigh in to look like they're doing something. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I wonder if the scum are simply lurking here and avoiding giving actual opinions. Town Read.
Why do you continue to town read me if you believe that my questioning regarding the Friendly Neighbor has become a "safe topic" and that players who are focusing here are scum? Most of my content thus far has been related to this point. With your initial phrasing of "While I believe this initial post..." and subsequent "a lot of his posts are centered around this..." leads me to believe you would have a scum read on my slot. Could you explain?
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:23 pm
by Amrun
@alimdia: Pine is well known to be NAI for lurking so that’s probably why his lurking is receiving less attention. From me, at least.
I mean, I’ve noticed. I’m just waiting to make an alignment based decision.
Replica’s more recently posting seems better to me but did you ever answer my question, replica?
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:25 pm
by Sujimichi
In post 294, alimdia wrote:In conclusion, theres way too much discussion on the FN claiming or not and to spare them D1, that anyone from any alignment can jump in and 'say the right stuff'. That's what I mean by safe topic.
I'm willing to give Sherlock the benefit of the doubt that he just seems to be an OMGUS type player. Because at least Sherlock is somewhat involved in scumhunting (even if he's absolutely wrong about me), and not sitting on the fence (or afking)
After my reread, it is clear that we have a serious lack of scumhunting, which I am not blaming Sujimichi for starting this whole discussion.
I'm actually thinking for the people that are actively posting, we need to pressure Chara, Chemist to give their reads. To a lesser extent, Hectic and Nacho too.
For the inactives, theres not too much to be gained from poking them, however as I mentioned before, I find it very interesting that Pine has been sort of given a free pass.
Apologies. You seem to have answered my question in this post. I assume you weren't referring to me, but to other players. I am not sure that you can actually fault them when I am the one pushing for answers, so if you are attributing blame it should be to me.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:25 pm
by Replica
Given that you didn't even read my posts the very first few times you responded, this is getting really annoying.
In post 303, Amrun wrote:Replica, how would you have expected Nacho to approach Hectic’s meta differently as town?
This was previously answered in the second paragraph of #297. The almost willfully bad review didn't fit cleanly into either towny or scummy, but fit better in the latter. The corollary is that as town I would have expected an attempt at finding a more representative selection. This is now a counterfactual given my mistake in Hectic's alignment that game (There were no other selections)
Why did you decide to unvote instead of voting one of your suspected players?
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:27 pm
by Sujimichi
In post 301, Replica wrote:Nacho and Chara are both of the other heal votes on Hectic oh good god
Well tomorrow Replica it's all you champ I'm tagging out. Probably doesn't matter but lmao
Why do you continue to place your Spare vote there if you have a concern with who is voting there with you? Why express concern if you are not actually concerned with it?
In post 301, Replica wrote:Nacho and Chara are both of the other heal votes on Hectic oh good god
Well tomorrow Replica it's all you champ I'm tagging out. Probably doesn't matter but lmao
Why do you continue to place your Spare vote there if you have a concern with who is voting there with you? Why express concern if you are not actually concerned with it?
It didn't matter for multiple reasons: First, the reads aren't strong. Second, it doesn't actually matter as much in a game with two scum who you're voting with, especially on Day 1 and especially with sparing. If one scum is with you, there's only one other out of all the possibilities. Presumably they're more likely to spare their partner, but it's really not a given that they'd do so. Lastly, even in a magical world in which my initial thought spitballs are both spot on...that leaves no others, and it's a safe spare. The real concern is if they're both town (2 other town -> Less likely Hectic town), and even then voting with two other town would be pretty ideal.
I posted about it both because I thought it was funny, it was something I saw previously only to forget about, and remind myself to look again the next day in case there
was
cause for concern. I don't think there is.
Posted: Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:43 pm
by Replica
In post 317, Amrun wrote:Replica’s more recently posting seems better to me
In post 294, alimdia wrote:In conclusion, theres way too much discussion on the FN claiming or not and to spare them D1, that anyone from any alignment can jump in and 'say the right stuff'. That's what I mean by safe topic.
I'm willing to give Sherlock the benefit of the doubt that he just seems to be an OMGUS type player. Because at least Sherlock is somewhat involved in scumhunting (even if he's absolutely wrong about me), and not sitting on the fence (or afking)
After my reread, it is clear that we have a serious lack of scumhunting, which I am not blaming Sujimichi for starting this whole discussion.
I'm actually thinking for the people that are actively posting, we need to pressure Chara, Chemist to give their reads. To a lesser extent, Hectic and Nacho too.
For the inactives, theres not too much to be gained from poking them, however as I mentioned before, I find it very interesting that Pine has been sort of given a free pass.
Apologies. You seem to have answered my question in this post. I assume you weren't referring to me, but to other players. I am not sure that you can actually fault them when I am the one pushing for answers, so if you are attributing blame it should be to me.
It made more sense in my head lol. I was thinking, sure you started the topic up, and replied to ppl, but the majority of some people's posts are basically only about this discussion, no scumhunting. Which is easy for scum.
, I would reserve comment until they respond to Amrun's question.
When you address this, do you mind including where you were at before the answer, and what you were hoping for/received specifically from the response as you think relevant?
I set out for tonight with a goal to get a townread and a heal vote down to match, as productive as poking at things I don't like about Nacho/Chara is that's only half the game right now (Though Nacho or Amrun might argue it's more). I remembered really liking Chemist and so skimmed them again. I liked #27 being pretty enthusiastic about Hectic, the impatience lining up well with the rest of Chemist's play, and #29's reaction to Billy's meta was solid. The middle parts are lackluster, and then the Heal vote on Asreel in #62 confuses me: A light instinct to TR Asreel is fine, but switching the heal vote from Hectic seemed wack.
HEAL: Hectic There's a chance this stays but it's the best I can see without reading more, especially given the votes already on it. I need to sleep for now, hopefully can revisit specific players and reads more clearly tomorrow now that I'm caught up and have answered all the questions I see.
HURT: popsofctown, removing a vote placed by my predecessor. I might use it for reads if I feel it'll be illustrative, but I'd be surprised if I placed a hurt vote the rest of the day unless absolutely required to hammer.
yo its CNY so I'll get to this later (kinda a reminder to myself)
tl:dr is I TR you
