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Fro me, lynching Max is just bad for board state. Where Dunnstral opens the path to cat and guilty. Max opens to just guilty

And to everyone townreading Maxwell: Do you believe my arguments are completely baseless? Everything Maxwell has done has been townie?

Please name at least one solid point I've made so I know people are at least reading my posts.

Hopefully they do believe they're baseless, because they are.

Was your death pact a bluff? Because it feels like a bluff.

In post 304, Blair wrote:Was your death pact a bluff? Because it feels like a bluff.

It's not, but I'm also not going to selfvote. Should I die day 1 then I want to make absolute certain you go down. I wanted to see if you'd commit to it.

Really it's strange how for someone who started off the game by posting a chart (ooh! so helpful!), suddenly when I begin discussing how to use the board strategically to influence who lives and who dies you suddenly become very averse to doing so.

Please show me where I have been averse to doing so.

It's equally strange, by the way, that someone who entered the game scumreading me for analyzing the game board immediately began plotting to lynch their town read *for the game board*

(Spoiler Alert: He cannot show me doing so, because he is lying)

(Spoiler Alert²: He is lying, because he is scum)

You can stop frantically searching my ISO for something you can distort and just claim scum if you would like. You're halfway there already.

It's easier this way.

Well, I have work to get done today. I'll be back later to accept your intellectual surrender.

To everyone else: Sheep me

Yeah, apologies for not staying up to type out a reply at 3:15 AM EST.

In post 307, Blair wrote:Please show me where I have been averse to doing so.

It's equally strange, by the way, that someone who entered the game scumreading me for analyzing the game board immediately began plotting to lynch their town read *for the game board*

I've made it eminently clear that the townread on them was weak, at best (how couldn't it be, they had all of two posts), and that doing so was to get rid of the CSF slot and dunnstral (and also T-Bone, who at the time I didn't like. More recent posts put him somewhere around null). My offer included my own self-sacrifice because I perceived many players, including the IC, did not trust me. This isn't hard to understand, but of course you're not trying to do that. You're selectively zoning in on a small part of what I said and using that to scream "see he voted his townread! scum! scum!" while ignoring the rest of my thought process. You know as well as I do that only the corners are a viable lynch option day 1 (I tried thinking about the side squares last night but there's too much potential for things to go terribly wrong if you're mistaken and end up mislynching). If my top scumread's in a side slot, I need to vote a corner next to them. Fairly simple concept.

And again my issue with your strategy talk was that it was generic, lifeless, and offered little relevance to the game of mafia as it is played on the board. I've no problem with people discussing tactically what group of players they want to get rid of and what they want to keep alive, but you're seemingly refusing to apply any of that strategic thinking to how the game will proceed, it's just tunneling me then justifying your reads elsewhere based on what I do.

In post 279, Clover Ebi wrote: Am I missing something? Can't in theory we lynch the person on the other side of the square? Not just beside them. So if max was lynched we have 4 options not just a 1v1? Or am I incorrect.

You're right, but for all intents in purposes it results in the same outcome. For example if we lynch Beeboy, Maxwell/T-Bone essentially become lovers and CSF/Dunnstral essentially become the other lover pair.

In post 286, maxwell wrote:I'll take the Dunnstral vote if people agree to it, I definitely think beeboy is likely town at this point and a sequence that gets CSF and Blair is ideal for me based on where my reads are. Sort of bothered by how static clover's reads are with them seeming to be based on stuff in the first couple pages but not enough to change my read on him, just knocks down my confidence a couple of rungs.

People are agreeing to it, you would put Dunn at L-1 if you moved your vote.

In post 251, Clover Ebi wrote:Why is townreading someone who has the same thought process as you bad?

So more on this:

I dunno about you, but I find as scum that it's not all that hard to fake a plausible town thought process to handling mechanics or responding to posts. The only thing scum can't fake is genuine in that thought process when challenged, because they know the conclusion is wrong. It's also hard as scum to make believable changes in your trajectory - this usually applies to later game days more than D1 - but do you really think Blair's tunnel on Maxwell still feels genuine to you? You don't even agree on your primary scumreads, what 'thought process' are you attributing to her that is unmistakably town?

In post 262, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Gl, why don't you think Clover and Blair are SvS?

The way they've locktowned each other so early on is not something I usually see from scum, I don't think Blair calls Clover 'obvtown' when I'm pushing on him and I don't think Clover doubles down so much on Blair if they are worried about how they'd look on the other's flip.

In post 275, beeboy wrote:If you don't want to vote edges, why is you're instinct to ask me for reads on 3 edge players when you don't want me voting them ever.

I do want you potentially voting them on D2?? Why do you say 'ever' here?

In post 275, beeboy wrote:I don't get it, it's weird because you're asking me for reads that you don't actually have a reason to care about.

You're filling space not seeking out my reads in a way to work with me if my answer somehow convinces you I am town.

I care because the edges matter a lot even if we're not lynching there today. This last sentence is just projection/assumption on your part

In post 314, T-Bone wrote:

In post 286, maxwell wrote:I'll take the Dunnstral vote if people agree to it, I definitely think beeboy is likely town at this point and a sequence that gets CSF and Blair is ideal for me based on where my reads are. Sort of bothered by how static clover's reads are with them seeming to be based on stuff in the first couple pages but not enough to change my read on him, just knocks down my confidence a couple of rungs.

People are agreeing to it, you would put Dunn at L-1 if you moved your vote.

Right.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dunnstral

I do think he's the least town of any of the corner players right now but this is primarily still a consequence of having scumreads on both the CSF slot and Blair.

I think beeboy is still less town than Dunnstral but Dunnstral keeps Maxwell alive and gives us a shot at Blair who I see as higher priority to resolve than T-Bone

, I'll be around for the day, this is just intent to say I'll hammer before deadline and to give people time for more thoughts

Blair tunneling Maxwell so desperately is a strange play if she's scum with anyone but CSF

CSF or beeboy, I guess

Just want to note that if scum break script and shoot me, the play tomorrow should still be to go along one of the bottom or right hand sides, town just needs to start with voting beeboy or guilty first in order to preserve the pattern.

In post 45, Kanna wrote:I think lynching a corner is still optimal though

In post 43, T-Bone wrote:

Vote: Dunnstral

why this?

This is nefarious because she didn't comment on anything else AI in the thread, but felt the need to question a vote.

In post 67, Kanna wrote:VOTE: GuiltyLion
I kind of agree. @Guilty; if you pointed out so many things, why did you default to voting for 2 people who haven't shown up?

This is nefarious because she seemed excited to play with Guilty just a few posts earlier, but was happy to jump on his wagon.

Well then, have a nice day.