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In post 268, Raya36 wrote:

In post 262, clidd wrote:Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

I read it more genuine than that. Makes sense to want to sort someone null that has some traction right now?

I mean more in the sense that this would be a line that I think Scum!Radja would try to avoid.

In post 271, Radja wrote:

In post 268, Raya36 wrote:

In post 262, clidd wrote:Don't you think it is inconsistent for scum!Radja to not follow a vote in his elimination pool and sound dissonant by voting you?

I read it more genuine than that. Makes sense to want to sort someone null that has some traction right now?

this and the fact that 2 people I'm townreading were voting there at the time.

clidd seems to be the first one picking up on me voting outside of my execution pool. More town points for you.

The quality of my read on you depends on whether you are more dissonant as town or scum. I'm currently considering town, because as scum you would review your reads before posting and reflect on how other people would see your content.

I'm hoping to be right about that, but I don't think it would hurt me to find out that I'm wrong. Let's see

In post 274, DkKoba wrote:horsewoman is avoiding this thread for some reason?? also who are they cause i suddenly saw them post in a certain thread that i have never seen them post in!!! im suspicious of u in the context of site user not necessarily in the context of being scum

Dk, I think it's time for you to towntell in your next posts.

In post 279, Gimli son of Glóin wrote:

In post 261, clidd wrote:I agree on Gimli being town, but for different reasons.

And DK still seems null to me, nothing has hit me as strongly ai from them.

can you go over why you think I'm town? It might help the way I'm reading you now.

I believe that of all the slots, you are the person who reflects me most as someone who is coming from an uninformed perspective on the alignments. The way you evaluate, reassess and comment do not seem to be planned and you also maintain a natural flow of reads that I sympathize with.

As an extension, post 197, in particular, has a very bizarre air that I don't see scum!you trying to speculate on a possible reality where the points you were townreading about me could be coming from my scumgame. It looked like you were giving yourself a warning to not lock-read something that you unconscious thinks that is wrong, where I think that the bias of scum!you would approach this topic in a different way (I had a bit of a hard time conveying exactly what I was thinking in English, so if it doesn't seem understandable let me know).

I can give other examples if you want, but in other words you are doing internal and external scumhunting that don't seem fake.

I need horsewoman to expand more on what she thinks about the game so that I can capture a more substantial read. I found it interesting about what he commented on DK and Gimli, in a positive sense, but I had doubts about her vote on radja. I can see scum!hw boarding this wagon in the context where the radja slot is at the moment (assuming he is town).

I don't think that's the case, but if my impression of radja is wrong and he is scum, I believe that the second vote could be a buss, actually, even the first is possible, keeping in mind that Radja theoretically got more scummy over time. But this scenario is meh, I'm giving it less than a 30% chance.

I imagine Ahsoka's thoughts must connect with mine spiritually at some point if she is town.

A possible reason for the approaches she is using here crossed my mind, but I believe it will hinder my read on her more than help if I am speculating about it, so I will let her play her game and see if I get a definite impression.

But without that, if I had to guess rn, I would lean scum on Ahsoka.

I think one of the reasons that is making me confused is that she doesn't seem to be trying to control the flow and take proactive action on the wagons, which is something I imagine scum!Ahsoka would be more vocal about.

She is floating around the edges, commenting on some things but being flexible about the impressions. She may be checking the terrain and playing a slower game (scum) or adopting a slow pace in collecting information and reactions, in order to approach post-flip associations (town). Perhaps a mixture of that.

But as I said, this is her game, her style, and I might understand better if I let her play.

My most confident reads at the moment are Gimli, Raya and Volxen as towns in order of intensity.

My PoE can change depending on my conclusion about DK and Ahsoka.

a couple of things are bothering me with this string of posts:

- Volxen as third town. I checked volxen's post as scum that clidd posted here and it's not comparatively that different from his entrances in this game. His explanation on why dkkoba's early game stuff is towny is certainly crafty, but it's still superficial and easy to make as scum if you have all the tools that volxen clearly has. That post about dkkoba misses that dkkoba can just be doing things on a whim as scum which makes all logic moot. It's also making points that are too unnecessary, like discussing the possibility of dkkoba 'pre-planning' those posts and how that is only possible if we're both scum. It's pretty but it is not solvey. His posts to clidd aren't towny either. And since clidd is townreading all of that stuff, I can't help but wonder if the whole thing isn't staged.

- the votes on radja being possible busses don't feel right as an argument here. clidd is supposedly townreading that radja reads list, so when he talks about bussing (and gives it 30% odds which is very high actually) it feels artificial that his head went there instead of thinking radja looks like someone scum wants to eliminate. and since this is a 6v3 setting, 'bussing' shouldn't be something we're truly considering until people flip. In fact, I don't know where the scum are exactly but I'm almost sure there's powerwolfing going on in this game.

I don't wanna pile on clidd and I want to give this time for me to reevaluate but this last string of posting makes me feel clidd might be scum after all.

I also think clidd was supposed to be townreading ahsoka and the reasons for his scumread don't make much sense to me.

In post 277, Gimli son of Glóin wrote:Hullo! I wish you all a great sunday ahead.

In post 251, Radja wrote: I'm not really following what Raya and clidd are arguing about.

Gimli's "regardless of clidd's alignment, Raya is locktown" seems really weird to me. Why would a clidd flip not make you reconsider your read?

Maybe if you understood their argument you'd understand why I'm so hard in leaning raya town. It does appear to me that raya, volxen and clidd are playing something of a game of their own, with all that combined meta and wits between the 3 of them. Raya caught clidd being too hasty in townreading volxen for something volxen did that isn't supposed to be read as towny, and I think the push in that direction was too nuanced to ever come from scum. Even if clidd is town, that doesn't diminish the towniness in raya's thought process.

Speaking of which, I was a little uneasy with clidd's strong TR of me, because my TR of clidd was weaking at that point and I think he noticed it (given I was open about strong townreading raya), and I felt that maybe clidd decided to try to maintain himself on my good side by pocketing me. I'm not sure my posts were towny enough to be townread that strongly.

Alright, that explains your read. I don't feel that strongly about it though. This explanation does make me feel better about your slot.

In post 287, Horsewoman wrote: wow clever trap 2000/10

For the record I would have done exactly what radja did, vote for you on page 2. So this hopefully doesn't go anywhere. Sigh.

This made me genuinely happy.

In post 293, Horsewoman wrote:Radja's reads list is so atrocious I don't think it can come from anyone trying to solve/read the game.

What's so atrocious about this being my reads list after a catchup you admit was mostly nonsense?

In post 301, clidd wrote:
The quality of my read on you depends on whether you are more dissonant as town or scum. I'm currently considering town, because as scum you would review your reads before posting and reflect on how other people would see your content.

I'm hoping to be right about that, but I don't think it would hurt me to find out that I'm wrong. Let's see

I haven't played mafia for a couple of years, so I don't think you'll find much data on me, if that's what you were going to look for. And even if you found anything, not sure it would be worth comparing. I used to keep track of my reads in a spreadsheet, but I'm not bothering to put in that much work this time. I just wanted a quick game to see if I would still enjoy it.

In post 302, clidd wrote:

In post 274, DkKoba wrote:horsewoman is avoiding this thread for some reason?? also who are they cause i suddenly saw them post in a certain thread that i have never seen them post in!!! im suspicious of u in the context of site user not necessarily in the context of being scum

Dk, I think it's time for you to towntell in your next posts.

whats "towntelling"

Gimli, I don't think you're scum and if you feel like that about me you should probably vote me.

As long as you keep evaluating me, I don't see a problem, as I said to Raya.

In post 314, DkKoba wrote:

In post 302, clidd wrote:

In post 274, DkKoba wrote:horsewoman is avoiding this thread for some reason?? also who are they cause i suddenly saw them post in a certain thread that i have never seen them post in!!! im suspicious of u in the context of site user not necessarily in the context of being scum

Dk, I think it's time for you to towntell in your next posts.

whats "towntelling"

To do some post in which I can see that you're town.

If you half-towntell, well, that's already something.

But If you can't do either, then you're scum. Which would be disappointing, since we still don't have a town win together.

ur obsession with me towntelling over scumhunting concerns me, esp since im already obvtown!

Radja, if possible, I would like you to take the time to interact in real time. I am interested in seeing how your opinions are expressed in short periods of time.

As a starting point, I wanted you to talk a bit about your impression of Raya (251) and what did you like about her post.

I don't think you slip as scum and everything you have done so far is ''I'm here''.

I enjoy playing with you, but if I can't get my eye in a post in which my mind says ''damn, this is town!DK'', unfortunately, you are scum.

In post 320, clidd wrote:I don't think you slip as scum and everything you have done so far is ''I'm here''.

I enjoy playing with you, but if I can't get my eye in a post in which my mind says ''damn, this is town!DK'', unfortunately, you are scum.

This post was directed to DK.

Before I forget:

Gimli>
- Why do you think I should be townreading Ahsoka?
- Is Volxen null or scumlean to you?
- If scum!radja were real, don't you think that scum would buss Radja if he's acting scummy?

In post 319, clidd wrote:Radja, if possible, I would like you to take the time to interact in real time. I am interested in seeing how your opinions are expressed in short periods of time.

As a starting point, I wanted you to talk a bit about your impression of Raya (251) and what did you like about her post.

Hmm, let me read back on that a bit to provide some examples. I guess it was mostly a gut thing?
I try to be as transparent as possible and pretty much post whatever comes to mind as I catch up.

- saying DkKoba's "townslip" could be fabricated.
- I liked her push on you(clidd) because it doesn't seem like an easy path to me. To top that off, despite being unsure about you, Raya didn't back down to join an easy wagon when she could have easily done that.
- understanding what I was trying to do when I voted Ahsoka: sorting a null slot that my townreads were voting.

Some of those things happened after my reads list, so there's my read progression for you, in case you were interested.