@Leaven any other reads you want to make other than James? It sounds like you have other reads considering he's your top scum read.
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:04 am
by Val89
Fair enough, but I think the only sensible conclusion we can take from this discussion has to be "actually, nobody really knows what Ythan was saying"; which is why I find his acting as though it was extremely obvious - to the degree he say I was being "intentionally dense" - and his brushing it off as though nobody could realisitically find anything in it that would be helpful in sorting a slot, as something worthy of attention.
Do you think he honestly thought his meaning was ridiculously obvious?
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:11 am
by cowsloveSushirolls
In post 301, Val89 wrote:Fair enough, but I think the only sensible conclusion we can take from this discussion has to be "actually, nobody really knows what Ythan was saying"; which is why I find his acting as though it was extremely obvious - to the degree he say I was being "intentionally dense" - and his brushing it off as though nobody could realisitically find anything in it that would be helpful in sorting a slot, as something worthy of attention.
Do you think he honestly thought his meaning was ridiculously obvious?
that's something i'd ask them directly
leaning yes
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 6:12 am
by Val89
I tried asking him directly - twice. You saw the result.
Well, you’d be wrong about only this, if he does flip red.
Also, do you have Town reads?
Dan
,
James
,
Val
.
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:11 am
by Salsabil Faria
In post 295, Leaven wrote:So if Salsa, Leaven, and James all flip town this game. What are the takeaways.
- With Salsa, scum can freely do anti-town things and even be town-bucketed for it. Furthermore, if people vote that scummy behavior, they will actually be scum-bucketed for it.
- With myself, scum will know they can't easily get away with anti-town things.
What advantage does town get (now or in the future) from laying a red carpet down for scum to freely behave against the interest of town? I'm happy to create an environment that discourages anti-town behavior.
If James was randomly 25% Scum, 25% PR, 50% VT, now I have him at 30% Scum, 5% PR, 65% VT. Still overwhelmingly likely to be VT, but as I've said previously, outside of a better option (which we likely will have in 5 days), my vote lands there.
Ok...
So people, let's move the game forward... you'll be in my town block if vote
Leaven
No I'd like for you to answer that question if you don't mind.
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:27 am
by Ythan
In post 308, Val89 wrote:^^ Would you consider her to be a bit scummy if her answer to that is "lol, that's obvious" then refused to answer it when you told her it wasn't?
So now you're trying to convince me I'm scum? Performative. Disingenuous. Scum.
In post 295, Leaven wrote:So if Salsa, Leaven, and James all flip town this game. What are the takeaways.
- With Salsa, scum can freely do anti-town things and even be town-bucketed for it. Furthermore, if people vote that scummy behavior, they will actually be scum-bucketed for it.
- With myself, scum will know they can't easily get away with anti-town things.
What advantage does town get (now or in the future) from laying a red carpet down for scum to freely behave against the interest of town? I'm happy to create an environment that discourages anti-town behavior.
If James was randomly 25% Scum, 25% PR, 50% VT, now I have him at 30% Scum, 5% PR, 65% VT. Still overwhelmingly likely to be VT, but as I've said previously, outside of a better option (which we likely will have in 5 days), my vote lands there.
If you have time, check my meta, will see how townie I am all the time
This is scummy.
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:30 am
by Val89
In post 310, Ythan wrote:
No I'd like for you to answer that question if you don't mind.
^^ Answer: Yes, would.
In post 311, Ythan wrote:So now you're trying to convince me I'm scum? Performative. Disingenuous. Scum.
...but you you DARE consider me scummy for doing exactly the same thing, else you are performative, disingenous and scum.
I think this speaks for itself.
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:31 am
by Ythan
Fedora
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:33 am
by cowsloveSushirolls
In post 300, StrangeMatter wrote:@Leaven any other reads you want to make other than James? It sounds like you have other reads considering he's your top scum read.
i wanted to say this when the votes were 2-2-1 ythan-strange-james, so i could have leaven walk us through why the other wagons are bad
nobody really believes that you're scum anymore and that's ok
In post 295, Leaven wrote:So if Salsa, Leaven, and James all flip town this game. What are the takeaways.
- With Salsa, scum can freely do anti-town things and even be town-bucketed for it. Furthermore, if people vote that scummy behavior, they will actually be scum-bucketed for it.
- With myself, scum will know they can't easily get away with anti-town things.
What advantage does town get (now or in the future) from laying a red carpet down for scum to freely behave against the interest of town? I'm happy to create an environment that discourages anti-town behavior.
If James was randomly 25% Scum, 25% PR, 50% VT, now I have him at 30% Scum, 5% PR, 65% VT. Still overwhelmingly likely to be VT, but as I've said previously, outside of a better option (which we likely will have in 5 days), my vote lands there.
If you have time, check my meta, will see how townie I am all the time
Until I replaced into 2064, you were basically a consensus scum in that game. So this is incorrect.
Not to mention, if you were town you'd be able to give reasoning outside of meta. You are trying to play into the "too scum to be scum" category.
Posts: 80, 83, 111, 208, 223, 286, 306. All ping me that way.
I also don't buy the whole unvoting at E-2 nonsense.
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:49 am
by JamesTheNames
@cowsloveSushirolls would you like to explain your opinions on me claiming VT? I don't want you to directly quote anything I want it in your words please. I'm already aware of other opinions.
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:39 am
by cowsloveSushirolls
In post 318, JamesTheNames wrote:@cowsloveSushirolls would you like to explain your opinions on me claiming VT? I don't want you to directly quote anything I want it in your words please. I'm already aware of other opinions.
for what it's worth i think it's genuine, but you've done a bad job explaining what it was supposed to do and you continue to make these self-centric actions but almost refusing to solve slots with the information you've gained, despite having 42 posts
if you mean in a more general sense:
listen to what people say lol, i think this is a good lesson for you to absorb unless you're going to exclusively play mountainous games when you get out of this queue
the case i'm assuming you have on me will probably help with sorting your alignment and thought process so i want to see it
if you arent satisfied with this explanation i'm sure you know why
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In post 146, JamesTheNames wrote:
Sure. This bit isn't hypothetical. I did the same thing in my last game then got hammered from 0 votes to 5 votes within the span of about 4 hours before D1 ended due to time. I wanted to try it again. I won't comment further regarding that game as said game is ongoing.
Hypothetical answers:
From a mechanics point of view even town vs even scum, ie 6 town vs 2 scum, benefits town, I get conftowned by claiming and we get to a beneficial mechanical stage?
The first non-newbie game I read over Dannflor did this, and I wanted to try it.
If I make everythone think I look stupid with random claims and hard-tunnelling. I won't get killed during the Nights and can save the game D3 or D4.
i think the largest bit of confusion people have w/ you stems from this post, james
can you go through each of your hypothetical answers in a bit more depth?
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:44 am
by cowsloveSushirolls
In post 306, Salsabil Faria wrote:If you have time, check my meta, will see how townie I am all the time
In post 318, JamesTheNames wrote:@cowsloveSushirolls would you like to explain your opinions on me claiming VT? I don't want you to directly quote anything I want it in your words please. I'm already aware of other opinions.
for what it's worth i think it's genuine, but you've done a bad job explaining what it was supposed to do and you continue to make these self-centric actions but almost refusing to solve slots with the information you've gained, despite having 42 posts
if you mean in a more general sense:
listen to what people say lol, i think this is a good lesson for you to absorb unless you're going to exclusively play mountainous games when you get out of this queue
the case i'm assuming you have on me will probably help with sorting your alignment and thought process so i want to see it
if you arent satisfied with this explanation i'm sure you know why
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In post 146, JamesTheNames wrote:
Sure. This bit isn't hypothetical. I did the same thing in my last game then got hammered from 0 votes to 5 votes within the span of about 4 hours before D1 ended due to time. I wanted to try it again. I won't comment further regarding that game as said game is ongoing.
Hypothetical answers:
From a mechanics point of view even town vs even scum, ie 6 town vs 2 scum, benefits town, I get conftowned by claiming and we get to a beneficial mechanical stage?
The first non-newbie game I read over Dannflor did this, and I wanted to try it.
If I make everythone think I look stupid with random claims and hard-tunnelling. I won't get killed during the Nights and can save the game D3 or D4.
i think the largest bit of confusion people have w/ you stems from this post, james
can you go through each of your hypothetical answers in a bit more depth?
I thought it was obvious in which case it was my bad. The hypothetical stuff was sarcastic, not serious.
In post 306, Salsabil Faria wrote:If you have time, check my meta, will see how townie I am all the time
i have time
name a few games?
2064.
Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 9:38 am
by cowsloveSushirolls
In post 293, Val89 wrote:The reason why I am pushing this is as I am, CLSR, is because If you have read all the way through 2068, you will remember I had a bit of a disagreement with NorweigianboyEE about a read on James (of all things!) and he gave me an explanation I didn't follow, and when I tried to follow it up, he also shut me down with the "Ok, newb." attitude. When I came back to it and said I was starting to scumlean that slot, the attitude got more pronounced (he was 'tired of spoon feeding' me, etc) whilst simultaneously posting on the scum PT that "Val could be troublesome." and suggesting I be NK'd, which is what happened. Now, in this game, I have a slot doing the same thing HARDER, and in the absence of evidence to the contrary, I'm going to consider it scummy in the same way I did previously.
If you have time, check my meta, will see how townie I am all the time
Until I replaced into 2064, you were basically a consensus scum in that game. So this is incorrect.
You might be overselling this one a bit James. Given the "will see how townie I am all the time" comment came in response to Leaven suggesting that a refusal to vote you for your VT claim is laying a red carpet for scummy behavoir - I
think
she might actually have been saying in a sarcastic manner "I've been known to do scummy things as town myself", not "I'm always read as town".
In any case, her ISO in that game before you replaced her is literally 6 posts, and I think "consensus scum" is a wildly overstating the matter. I wasn't in that game, but reading it back quickly it looks like there were 3 slots expressing mild reservations about Salsabil, which had translated into one vote, at the point you replaced in.
This isn't to say that Salsabil hasn't done things that do warrant attention in this game. I'm still trying to get my head around what her CCing your VT claim means for her alignment; I literally don't know where to start with that one, which is why I haven't approached it until now; but I don't think that comment and the 2064 game are going to be helpful in sorting her.
