Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[DrippingGoofball]

What are these?

"Fluffy", "Bridget", A Flying Pot, Peahat, Tektite

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Those are, uh, post restriction penalties? They call for extra votes on Nafuyu (and whoever replaced mafuyu)

[DrippingGoofball]

Substrike22

(3): JaBOC,

Exilon

, KDub

Just A Bit Off-Center

(1):

Le Cupcake

Ythan (1):

Nikanor

Lady Lambdadelta

(3): zwetschenwasser,

chesskid3

,Jenniwren/Knight of Cydonia

chesskid3

(13):

Substrike22

,

JMJ3000

,

GandalfIzSik

,

Fate

, Bunnylover, ABR,

Dekes/DrippingGoofball

, evilpacman18/Hinduragi/AKnottedRope, diddin/ZONEACE/vezokpiraka, Chronopie,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Untrod Tripod

, mothrax
diddin (1): DTmaster
Mothrax (1): ZazieR
Mafuyu (1): "Fluffy"
Not voting: Kairyuu/Beefster,

Blooderection

,Mafuyu/nameloc1986, Aikage, Ythan

One orange scum + one purple scum:

(15 points each color)
Bunnylover
ABR
evilpacman18/Hinduragi/AKnottedRope
diddin/ZONEACE/vezokpiraka
Chronopie
mothrax

Ythan (4):

Le Cupcake

,

Nikanor

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Chronopie

Le Cupcake

(6):

Substrike22

, Ythan,

Dekes/DrippingGoofball

,

Exilon

,

Blooderection

,

chesskid3

, zwetschenwasser

Lady Lambdadelta

(2): Kairyuu/Beefster,

Fate

Mafuyu (1): "Fluffy", Aikage
Mothrax (1): ZazieR
EvilPacman (1): JaBOC

chesskid3

(2): mothrax,

GandalfIzSik

Blooderection

(1): DTMaster
GandalfIzSik (1): KDub
Not voting:

JMJ3000

, ABR,Mafuyu/nameloc1986, Bunnylover, evilpacman18/Hinduragi/AKnottedRope,

Untrod Tripod

, diddin/ZONEACE/vezokpiraka/, Jenniwren/Knight of Cydonia

1/2 orange scum:

(25 orange points)
Ythan
zwetschenwasser

Le Cupcake

(1):

Untrod Tripod

Lady Lambdadelta

(2):

Blooderection

nameloc1986 (2): "Fluffy", "Bridget", Aikage

Blooderection

(1): mothrax
GandalfIzSik (14): KDub, zwetschenwasser,

RayFrost

,

Fate

, ABR,

Le Cupcake

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

Exilon

, Bunnylover,Jenniwren/Knight of Cydonia,

Nikanor

,Kairyuu/Beefster, Chronopie,

Substrike22

, Ythan,

JMJ3000

Substrike22

(5):evilpacman18/Hinduragi/AKnottedRope,

chesskid3

, DTMaster, JaBOC,

Dekes/DrippingGoofball

,

GandalfIzSik

Not voting: diddin/ZONEACE/vezokpiraka, Mafuyu/nameloc1986

One orange scum + one purple scum:

(12 points each color)
KDub
zwetschenwasser
ABR
Bunnylover
Jenniwren/Knight of Cydonia
Kairyuu/Beefster
Chronopie
Ythan

nameloc1986 (3): "Fluffy", "Bridget", A Flying Pot

Substrike22

(9): ABR, evilpacman18/Hinduragi/AKnottedRope,

Substrike22

,

RayFrost

,

Dekes/DrippingGoofball

,

chesskid3

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,Kairyuu/Beefster,

Nikanor

Blooderection

(5):

Le Cupcake

,

Blooderection

, Ythan,Mafuyu/nameloc1986, mothrax
Dekes (1): DTMaster

JMJ3000

(1): zwetschenwasser

Exilon

(1):

Exilon

jenniwren (1):Jenniwren/Knight of Cydonia
Not voting:

JMJ3000

, diddin/ZONEACE/vezokpiraka, Aikage, KDub, Chronopie, Bunnylover

One orange scum:

(50 orange points)
ABR
evilpacman18/Hinduragi/AKnottedRope

One purple scum:

(33 orange points)
Ythan
Mafuyu/nameloc1986
mothrax

nameloc1986 (5): "Fluffy", "Bridget", A Flying Pot, Peahat, Tektite

Substrike22

(7): ABR, evilpacman18 /Hinduragi/AKnottedRope,

Dekes/DrippingGoofball

,

chesskid3

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, Kairyuu/Beefster, Ythan

Blooderection

(7):

Le Cupcake

,

Blooderection

,Mafuyu/nameloc1986, mothrax,

RayFrost

,

Substrike22

, diddin/ZONEACE/vezokpiraka

JMJ3000

(1): zwetschenwasser

Exilon

(1):

Exilon

jenniwren (1):Jenniwren/Knight of Cydonia
KDub (1):

Nikanor

mothrax (1): DTMaster
Not voting:

JMJ3000

, Aikage, KDub, Chronopie, Bunnylover

One orange scum:

(25 orange points)
ABR
evilpacman18/Hinduragi/AKnottedRope
Kairyuu/Beefster
Ythan

Two purple scums:

(66 purple points)
Mafuyu/nameloc1986
mothrax
diddin/ZONEACE/vezokpiraka

nameloc1986 (5): "Fluffy", "Bridget", A Flying Pot, Peahat, Tektite

Substrike22

(2): Ythan, KDub

Blooderection

(13):

Le Cupcake

,

Blooderection

,Mafuyu/nameloc1986, mothrax,

Substrike22

,

Nikanor

, Chronopie, Kairyuu/Beefster, Bunnylover, ABR,

Dekes/DrippingGoofball

,

chesskid3

,

Lady Lambdadelta

,

RayFrost

JMJ3000

(1): zwetschenwasser

Exilon

(1):

Exilon

Knight of Cydonia (2):Jenniwren/Knight of Cydonia, diddin/ZONEACE/vezokpiraka
mothrax (1): DTMaster
Aikage (1): evilpacman18/Hinduragi/AKnottedRope
Not voting:

JMJ3000

, Aikage

One orange scum + one purple scum:

(15 points each color)
Mafuyu/nameloc1986
mothrax
Chronopie
Kairyuu/Beefster
Bunnylover
ABR

[AKnottedRope]

... I'm confused.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm right behind you on this one AKR.

What the hell does all this mean?

[Katsuki]

Oho.

Mothrax it is then.

Vote: Mothrax

[Le Cupcake]

Oho.

Mothrax it is then.

Vote: Mothrax

[DrippingGoofball]

PURPLE SCUM POINTS

114 Mafuyu/nameloc1986
114 mothrax
66 diddin/ZONEACE/vezokpiraka
45 Ythan
42 ABR
42 Bunnylover
42 Kairyuu/Beefster
27 Chronopie
12 KDub
12 zwetschenwasser
12 Jenniwren/Knight of Cydonia

ORANGE SCUM POINTS

117 ABR
90 evilpacman18/Hinduragi/AKnottedRope
74 Ythan
42 Bunnylover
42 Chronopie
37 zwet
37 Jenniwren/Knight of Cydonia
30 mothrax
27 Kairyuu/Beefster
15 diddin/ZONEACE/vezokpiraka
15 Mafuyu/nameloc1986
12 KDub

Now I hope I didn't make a compiling error, I kept finding mistakes, I hope there are no more, but I may have to double-check later. I have to run out and make supper for my mother-in-law.

Maybe someone else can explain the wagon analysis? It's pretty standard now, and especially effective in large games.

Anyone especially scummy in the list below?

114 Mafuyu/nameloc1986
114 mothrax
66 diddin/ZONEACE/vezokpiraka
117 ABR
90 evilpacman18/Hinduragi/AKnottedRope
74 Ythan

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Chrono has 42 purple scum points.

Also, Chrono came off of "Not Voting" to help swing a wagon off of Substrike, and on to BE.

I know they were neighborhood, but I still don't like it.

[DTMaster]

@Work
DGB, you're missing that Gandalf flipped town. That should narrow things down in the second wagon analysis.

Also for more information the votes on Mafyuu/Nameloc are all self votes (they are generated by his role). It was claimed that his role causes these self votes (I think by breaking some condition or what ever).

The wagon analysis looks at the largest bandwagons and looks at the ratio of known scum and known town to likely suspects. For example like I said earlier in the late BE vs Substrike wagon. Orange scum would be scattered throughout both wagons. But there should be a skew of purples on BE voting to allow Substrike to get a strongarm kill in and maybe 1-2 on Substrike to bus. I'd expect from usual mafia trend a 3:1 ratio of Purple on BE to Purple on Substrike.

When you play a lot of games you'll see trends in scum voting patterns. The people that appear on this list should be reread and then go from there.

So example in total: Kai/Beefster, Mothrax, ABR are a few that fit this trend of continious scummy voting.

PEdit: Oth of the ones there I find Mothrax scummy. I find ABR lurking (possible lurking scum), though I'd prefer that he get vig'd. (But the vig died) I find Nameloc townie because of his claimed role

and he wanted to do a suicide PR plan that involves himself

. Vezok I find mildly scummy enough to keep tabs on. AKR I need to reread. Ythan I also need to reread.

[Le Cupcake]

@DGB: Mothrax was scummy D1, and was the last I saw of him.

AKR is also prob scum.

Mafuyu was largely inactive, though I would not be surprised if she flipped scum (she played slightly different this game than I have seen in the past)

ythan would not surprise me as scum. Iso me for my ythan post DGB.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't see why you're so focused on Ythan right now Cupcake.

At worst, he's scum trying to play up a town personna, which is infinitely more helpful than other people.

And I read slight town on him recently, so Ythan's not the play today.

[DrippingGoofball]

My sister-in-law is going to make supper, so I'm back.

Gandalf is town, OK, but that doesn't change the results since he's garnered no scum points, but I'll fix it for the next round.

I just realized that AKnottedRope = AKR

[DrippingGoofball]

Le Cupcake, you have 6 pages of posts, which one is your "Ythan post"?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is the other head of Le Cupcake. Apologies for having been busy... We have finally had the chance to analyze.

Anythings, regarding Ythan's case and play:

1.

"Quote comes from game. Therefore, you are scum!"

As had been covered in the past few pages, this has been invalidated.

2.

"Nayru is not an aquatic Goddess. What a shitty fake claim."

LLD has posted plenty of references regarding the fact that Nayru is indeed often associated with water. We do not know the game. We cannot support our claim with in-game references.

BE then says

If you look at my iso, in the OTHER Zelda wiki, there are LOTS of references to water, zoras and aquatic nature.

That doesn't help if that's not the site that Reck+dram used.

because you know, there is NO WAY the mods used any other site, and you DEFINITELY know which sites they used. Yeah, no.

3.

So, why did we say that Ythan spew BS? Because he assumes that he is right without supporting your arguments against LLD apart from

“I know the game! It cannot possibly be that Nayru is aquatic and thus I will choose to ignore all your references and evidence that associate Nayru with water! Because, guess what, I say it’s impossible! Oh hey, other people like jenniwren and jmj have posted also claiming the link between Nayru and water."

Example:

Din flat out is fire. There is a reason her spell in the game is called "Din's Fire". So, using that logic and connection, its not such a leap to assume Nayru is aquatic and Farore is verdant. I have also always associated water with protection and Nayru's Love is out and out a protection spell...(irrelevant info omitted)

"That’s okay, I’ll choose to ignore them but telling them to post an analysis, even if it BLATANTLY clear what their point is (post 1003). And anyways, I’ll ignore their point anyways because they’re WRONG and I’m right. Yep, that’s it. I’ll just keep posting BS.”

4.

The following is about Ythan’s summary on page 41.

(here, here and here)

“Cupcake claims aquatic goddess. It’s incorrect.”

Why does he say this? Because he assumes that he knows everything about the flavor and how the mods worked the flavor from the actual games into this mafia game.

“LLD starts her defense. It’s not a good one. And she OMGUS’ed me.”

In actuality, Ythan fails to really refute any of her arguments beyond “It’s wrong!” For example, her reason for voting him in the first place

2.

You are pushing Against Cupcake with false information, hoping that no one will notice!

Much more likely. There is so little evidence against Cupcake, and you are scrounging to get more. This isn't something a townie should be doing.

VOTE: Ythan

He never comments on this, by the way, apart from saying it's proxy-OMGUS.

We activated Nayru’s Love to protect ourselves. This resulted in the cuccos being disintegrated into little blue particles. LLD points out that this is likely the blue force field known as Nayru’s Love because it is logical that when things collide into a force field, they disintegrate. Ythan’s refute?

“You’re lying.”

963 Lady LD claims that Cupcake was defended by a blue forcefield, ie Nayru's Love. Too bad she's completely lying.

Absolutely amazing refute, isn’t it? Ythan assumes he knows everything about this game, when in fact, it is completely false. He is not one of the mods, but yet he feels the need to strut around acting a god.

5.

“LLD is poorly defending Cupcake based on lies!”

This is just BS. Why? Because Ythan has thus far been unable to disprove anything without basing it off of flavor speculation. All he does is make forceful statements that are completely unsupported. And when others post relevant information that go against him, such as the cases with jenniwren and jmj, he ignores them. Ythan’s strategy is this: he makes strong accusations, calling people liars, hoping that the certainty in his words will completely mask his lack of proof, and thus win other people’s support. This tactic is commonly used, not just in mafia. One uses emotive words and assertive claims so that others will be more inclined to listen/believe them without probing any deeper.

6.

LLD points out Ythan’s lack of proof and his constant defenses that consist of

“You’re lying. I’m right.”

What is Ythan’s response?

“Quit whining. I don’t care”

which is a reflection of all his arguments.

And I'll note that you provide NO PROOF that I am lying. You just come out and say it. You flood the chat with meaningless drabble, just to make it look re-searched, when nothing in your statements is based on FACT.

You keep saying "I LIED". Prove it. Other wise, you are the liar.

I'm

explaining

why you're a liar. You don't need to make three posts in a row to complain about it.

Your explanation shows no "proof".

All you say is "You're lying" or "I'm right, stop complaining".

Prove it, scum. Defend yourself with logic, or be ignored. Honestly.

Keep whining. It really doesn't matter. I don't need to spoonfeed this to you ad nauseum.

The fact is that he has no proof for what he says beyond

“I know the Zelda game and the mods definitely wouldn’t do that. I know exactly what the mods would/have chosen to do in this game.”

_______________________________________________

You're just saying you've done things or that I've done things and you don't refer to them specifically because you're as completely full of shit as your case and you're hoping someone will be stupid enough to take your word for it. Please sit in a corner until enough players check in for us to lynch you or your scumbuddy.

PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP WHAT YTHAN HAS BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST 20 PAGES OR SO.

Pretty sure Cupcake means this one.

[AKnottedRope]

How do you assign the points?

[zwetschenwasser]

with great panache.

[AKnottedRope]

I think I liked it better when you were lurking.

[mothrax]

@DGB: Mothrax was scummy D1, and was the last I saw of him.

AKR is also prob scum.

Mafuyu was largely inactive, though I would not be surprised if she flipped scum (she played slightly different this game than I have seen in the past)

ythan would not surprise me as scum. Iso me for my ythan post DGB.

You are going to call people out for lurking? Of all people? Did you miss the part where I requested replacement and came back because the mods couldn't find one?

Also mafuyu isn't in this game any more. RTFT! You are conftown so play like it!

[DrippingGoofball]

How do you assign the points?

SUM OF P{scum}*100

[Aikage]

Ythan you are the antitown one, it is bad to be so rude to people. but im thinking your town still even tho your bein an ashole

Drippingolfball, i dun get what you mean by all the points and the colors. can you explain it more for me plz? Im happy i have a vote so i can help lynch scum now, its akr and probly mothrax, i think dtmaster is right about him

i still think its bad to claim so early, i thought you were supposed to claim at l-1, why do yuo guys think i should claim so early?

[AKnottedRope]

There are things that you are claiming about your role that we have no way to verify without you quoting your role PM. In this case, you claiming early is protown.

[DrippingGoofball]

Aikage: the numbers are based on the number of scums I expect to find on any given wagon. If a wagon has 3 unknown-alignment players left, and I believe there is one uncovered scum in the wagon, each has a 1/3 probability of being scum. P{scum=.33}*100 = 33 points. Then I add up the numbers for all the wagons.

It's interesting that while nameloc seems to have been flying under the radar behaviorally speaking, he scores very high on the wagon analysis. Am I wrong about him generally flying under the radar?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm at school so I'll reply to the most recent questions/comments.

1. Cupcake/ABR: If you guys are really stressing multiple scum factions (as in 3) the purple scum-fits that bill better then yellow (or we did not uncover the SK yet). Aside from flavour arguments the reason why I think yellow is mafia rather then a team of SKs is:

a. There were two of them. A team of SKs should be treated as a team of scum, therefore the difference between mafia and SK is redundant. Speculating on SK factions is something only Mafia could do. Thus it's best to treat them as scum.

They are lovers. And they don't make sense as boss scum. Twinrova is boss scum.

The primary flaw is bolded in the quote. How does Boss Scum = Not Scum? You yourself admitted to possible multiple factions. It is also confirmed that Substrike was scum, AND that he was part of the sage neighborhood.

I agree. None of the sages can be boss scum, due to their claims of "killing boss scum to gain powers", and substrike's flip.

My theory is as follows: Some credit goes to Ythan for this. The scum grouping inside the Sacred realm of the sages is full of MINI BOSSES. For example: The Poe Sisters? Ythan mentioned that the mini bossed could be scum earlier on.

Full of mini bosses? How many factions do you think there are? That's preposterous. I say there's poe scum, SK lovers, boss scum. SK are dead, sage poe scum is dead, ain't no boss scum in the sage realm, so now all the sages left are town.

[Reckamonic]

BIG DADDY: "Babe! Come take a shot with me!"
PLUSHIE: "While you're busy getting DRUNK, I'm busy dealing with the MASS PILE of dead bodies we've got stacking up around here!"
BIG DADDY: "Oh..."
PLUSHIE: "Yeah."
BIG DADDY: "...So... uh... do you wanna shot?"
PLUSHIE: "I will end you."

nameloc1986 (5): "Fluffy", "Bridget", A Flying Pot, Peahat, Tektite
Beefster (1): DTMaster
Aikage (1): Beefster
Chronopie (1): Lady Lambdadelta
Bunnylover (2): Kdub, mothrax
DrippingGoofball (1): zwets
AKnottedRope (1): Aikage
mothrax (1): Le Cupcake

Not voting: Chronopie, Ythan, vezokpiraka, AKnottedRope, DGB, Knight of Cydonia, nameloc1986, ABR, Bunnylover

CHRONOPIE HAS A FROG ON HIS HEAD!

Deadline is December 13th at 9:00PM.
With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
If nameloc1986 doesn't post within the next 24 hours, he'll be prodded.