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Shos, could you also remind me why you think GreyICE is the one who's scum here?

I just reread LLD and GreyICE, and I really think they're town.

The only goofy thing I can see is that their slot didn't investigate you N1, which is odd because you were saliently LLD's tunnel while she was still in this game.

Oh, nevermind. I forgot that your vote is swapped with someone's today.

And that person is notscience.

NS - Please reevaluate the GreyICE slot when you get back. Shos's apparent vote for him is yours. I think LLD's early posts will make a lot more sense if you read them all together. Same with GreyICE.

This changes my thinking a lot. I think I actually made a post earlier today while I had forgotten who Shos was voting. I had been getting more suspicious of Shos in light of his vote for GreyICE....

I am going to renege slightly and give Cephrir slightly longer to show up. He hasn't done anything in almost a week on the site except for mod a game.

technically present. real busy day at work. may start catching up tonight, not sure. if i don't get my shit together soon, brian is following the game and has opinions i need to relay and may end up taking over

OK.

You can probably mostly post his content verbatim as long as it's only about this game from what I understand, as long as you don't attribute it directly to him.

nope gotta paraphrase!

Magua was more flexible with me when I ran something by him earlier, but it was probably much more limited in scope.

Didn't mean to get you in trouble.

I didn't actually check, that was just my understanding of the rules.

It seems unsporting anyway.

hi guys

what have I missed

I stammered around a lot and it made people cross.

I reread GreyICE and think he is town. I have one outstanding question for their slot.

I think you are voting GreyICE right now even though your vote says it's on T-Bone. This is because you vote and Shos's are switched today for some reason.

I think the reservations you expressed about LLD's early posts will seem townier if you read her in isolation now.

Cephrir has been V/LA for a week and is preparing for a big post of some kind.

I read her in isolation several times.

ns grey is town vote ceph already

I'm preparing for a big post? I'm not even reading the thread yet o.o

I figured you were at least going to relay the opinions that Brian Skies has, since it sounds like that doesn't even require reading?

I guess so. They may not make much sense.

The longer there is a delay, the harder it will be to trust that they are the actual labor of a 3rd party.

Dear Brian,

I'm sorry for butchering your thoughts beyond recognition.

Love,
Ceph

Early on in the read he's got some townreads on my biggest townreads (ns for actually scumhunting evidently, wisdom). He's been consistently scumreading shos moooost of the read read, which I can sympathize with even though I don't know if I agree.

He has a lot of problems with Reck. He doesn't think he should get to call a me/Cabd scumteam and continue to unabashedly scumread me today without taking a step back (though he later notes 2056 and . He's spending a bit of time here trying to fit someone into a shos/Reck scumteam and coming up empty. He really hated shos' 1508 (the complaint is "why would they be bussing -- as opposed to lynching katsuki, which obviously would not have been hard)

We would like mutual reads from shos and Reck, though I imagine I've made that pointless by posting this with no tact. Still, please do that.

He points out that Rhinox was suspicious of shos and is dead.

We progress to less certainty of townread on notscience because of other players being town who were previously nuller. I can point you to posts he liked and try to offer reasons, but that seems a bit pointless right now.

Brian would like to know how factional kills work with grey's night action. He neglected to tell me what that action is so I'm trying to regurgitate [later note: I guess Iec asked this -- did we get an answer?]

He was starting to put T-Bone in his scumteam but feels as of Iec 2128 that his thoughts and actions at least at that point (day 2 still) make sense

Quick note on shos: still seems like scum because his reasoning tends to suck, and his reads never change "in the scummy confbiasing way"

As of D3, T-Bone can die both for role related reasons and not. 2544 seems like a slam dunk (reading it, I agree).

Also as of D3, he is waffling again on both reck and shos.

mastin needs to give us updated reads.

[aggravation with Wisdom for ignoring his townreads' opinions and attacking me rather than shos despite t-bone's claimed actions on me making me a worse lynch than shos when apparently me being shos' scumbuddy is part of the problem with me; noting reck failing to get on board with shos and instead happily voting everywhere else]

Ultimately he's settled back on shos/reck scum with tier as the most likely third but pretty unsure about that.

↑ Iecerint wrote:The longer there is a delay, the harder it will be to trust that they are the actual labor of a 3rd party.

oh come on i'm clearly not reading the thread.

Grey's claimed action is that he can determine if the target has a night action. I asked if this includes factional abilities, and Grey clarified that it does include them and that he had already had that clarified. N1 LLD targeted T-Bone and confirmed that he did have one (irrelevant because he already claimed ); N2 GreyICE targeted notscience and confirmed that he does not have one (relevant because notscience is town if GreyICE is town, provided that all scum have at least a nightkill and no omni-godfather).

Shos is voting T-Bone. This is confusing because Notscience and Shos's votes are displaying in opposite ways this phase.

I think Reck wants to lynch either you or me. He was on one of T-Bone/Grey before Wisdom cajoled him to vote you; I can't recall which.

Shos has been really amiable and consensus-focused in his approach to this game so far I think. It's not inconsistent with scumplay with outcomes so far being what they are, but I don't think he's scum with T-Bone. For example, Wisdom has given him credible opportunities to change his vote to you while not alienating Shos as dramatically as some other players, but he hasn't changed his vote.

↑ Iecerint wrote:Shos is voting T-Bone. This is confusing because Notscience and Shos's votes are displaying in opposite ways this phase.

For what it's worth I did this, and yes, it is utterly pointless as far as I am aware.

Yeah so that's all you get today. Will I do more tomorrow? WhoOOooOoo knoOOooOOOOoOows?!?!?

@Iece:
Wisdom wouldnt hard defend his buddy like this

Re: everyone calling you scum but nobody votes - why isnt wisdom voting you too, then?

↑ shos wrote:@Iece:
Wisdom wouldnt hard defend his buddy like this

Ah. Yeah, my reasoning is different.

shos wrote:Re: everyone calling you scum but nobody votes - why isnt wisdom voting you too, then?

My understanding is that Wisdom thinks I'm scum mainly because he thinks Cephrir is scum and he thinks that I have demured from voting Cephrir due to being his scumfriend. He's softened on Reck for the converse reason.