In post 2969, RCEnigma wrote:I do think it was good that Toog took the initiative and voted to confirm early instead of withholding his vote so we wouldn't spend the bulk of the day speculating on his alignment.
Why? We have to spend the day speculating on someone else’s. He could have put a rest to the speculation by hammering as opposed to feeling pushed to get himself modkilled.:/
Hammering still doesn't confirm his role, it just means he has fingers. I think he does but won't assume.
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:07 pm
by Wisdom
In post 2985, Alonzo wrote:Yo Wisdom my fellow gamma slammer, have we played before?
nope
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:00 pm
by CheekyTeeky
In post 2979, Reasonably Rational wrote:I would appreciate succinctly phrased justifications for Gamma and Nero, preferably from the progenitors of the wagons.
As an enthusiast rather than a progenitor, I will share with you this condemning 2 quote case:
In post 782, Gamma Emerald wrote:The rule about up to X anti town of any faction being able to die
It’s possible that may be misleading wording
It’s something I’d think to do
In post 783, Wisdom wrote:I dont get multiball from that
Why cant it apply to singleball
Of any faction
It implies there isn’t just one
Nice catch, wisdom looks townier. Gamma can be scum.
Why the fuck does how you read me depend on your Wisdom read?
This looks like some massive mental gymnastics.
Thanks to creature's digging, in the original embed post it looks like Gamma TMI's about this game being multiball. To clarify before Tails jumps in twisting shit again: I do not disagree, I do think this is multiball of at least the groupscum + 3p + town variety, however the way he spewed it and then his following justification seemed awkward/not in line with what I'd expect from town re: setup spec.
Wisdom looks townier because he can't see why Gamma is seeing the setup the way he is from his reasoning which leads me to believe wisdom genuinely doesn't have any clues about the setup or at the very least it's a good push on gamma.
Now that I've explained my perspective in the post, I don't think it's unreasonable to understand that's what I'm saying. Gamma somehow interprets my post as a naked SvT read, which makes no sense and seems hyperreactive. This is where I'd expect town Gamma to laugh at me about how wrong/dumb I was if he were town. Instead I get angry, not a good reason to vote anyone, Gamma.
He follows up with this vote which makes no sense. I literally asked him "what?" aka "please clarify how you came to this very specific conclusion" to which he votes me and tell me to read the flip where I don't think says 2-3 teams at all. This is clearly an OMGUS vote which is also uncharacteristic for gamma imo.
In summary Gamma should be put to death for any combination of TMI, being overdefensive and OMGUSing.
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:08 pm
by Gamma Emerald
If that’s TMI wouldn’t that be TMI about SINGLEBALL, as that’s what I’m arguing MIGHT BE THE CASE?
But you’ve actually explained and it makes sense despite being BASS-ACKWARDS so UNVOTE:
Last time I saw something like this, that person was scum. But more to the point, if Majiffy had some sort of tell that gave him an accurate scumread of Chick, and he knew that, why didn't he vote the guaranteed scum instead of avoiding the wagon?
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:07 pm
by Tails
In post 2953, profii wrote:So looking at what Cerb is saying about trying to coach Toog into using his role wisely - I think it looks legit.
I think RR saying that was the objective of what he was doing and it was sincere so that's a consideration for me...
Now, I've not played much (if any? IDK) multiball on here before so like the point that !otherscum! team will likely been on Clemency wagon was like an adjustment in my thinking (I'm slow ok)
But that makes me reconsider the RR and Toog episode? I guess so because now we know Toog is town, that means !scum and !otherscum would have flocked to the wagon - I think this means that if RR was scum he'd have to be like "Guys wait and see who rushes this wagon to find the other team" - I think that would be tough to do without dropping your own team in it... so not really a scum lean on RR.
But
we have the serial killer potential aspect in this game too I think. The bit that you could probably argue is that RR was using Toog to serve his own purpose - obviously a SK can scum hunt like the rest of us and wants to remove all of us so helping a town is no skin off their nose - now the bit I think I have to consider is RR coached Toog into getting associatives going (this benefits all) but ALSO voted for Toog.
now this can be explained away as "yeah I wanted to coach him and demonstrate/accelerate the lesson" but it can also be explained as "I want to remove players by applying pressure/mind games"
It comes down to how devious you consider cerb to be I think - SK lean for me.
In post 2979, Reasonably Rational wrote:
I would appreciate succinctly phrased justifications for Gamma and Nero, preferably from the progenitors of the wagons.
Spoiler: So good you can ignore it twice
In post 2838, Tails wrote:Majiffy calling RR an a-hole was bad. Especially since Majiffy has historically used abrasive tactics. It should have been easy for him to see this was not the case with Dix. He was trying to scum paint the slot while WKing Drew.
I also didn't like your replace in. You immediately attack both your wagon and Chicks while claiming you haven't read. (Specifically the saying everyone on your wagon was either scum or stupid. If you haven't read, you wouldn't know any of the circumstances.). Then when pressed later, you said that you did read, but not that much, and that's how you knew the Chick wagon was bad. The over the top protection of Chick immediately stood out to me.
In post 2283, pinturicchio wrote:
Scum tend to project themselves into other players in order to create false scumreads. Nero said in his huge post where he explained his suspects that he believed some players were chainsaw defending Creature, including me. I think Nero tried to do the exact same thing he was saying other players were doing with Creature, but with Chickadee instead. After Clem arrived and did nothing to get off the attention, Nero voted for him saying that he's probably scum, but changed his vote quickly to other slot. That whole thing seemed off.
This, essentially. And add Majiffy's "I dare you to vote me" attitude and you have the perfect fit. Also Chick's reaction to Creature going full berzerk mode was the same that Majiffy had, but that's not important, just thought I should say it.
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:18 pm
by CheekyTeeky
Well you can't say I didn't try. I'm not opposed to a Nero lynch fwiw so either is fine I guess.
In post 2987, profii wrote:There is a link to Chickadee in the gamma iso and there are loads of associatives to get out of the gamma lynch. Go look for them they are there
In post 2991, Nero Cain wrote:Don't let that piece of hot garbage mislynch me again.
Who is this in reference to?
I’m guessing Wisdom? He was deathtunnelling Nero in CoH.
I didn’t like Majiffy and I wasn’t thrilled with Nero’s entrance but his posting since then has seemed townie. \_0_/
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:45 pm
by CheekyTeeky
In a way the montage kind of converted my mindset into seeing how baseless a few of the votes on Gamma are. I still feel like Gamma is not town as he doesn't have his usual air of nonchalance/seems overagressive.
Gamma why unvote rather than vote elsewhere? What's your read on RCE?
@cheeky Maybe I’m a little aggressive because you seem to hate me now?
As for why not vote elsewhere I have some considerations but I want to look things over before doing so. I don’t really have a read on RCE rn but he’s scum irl for getting a kick out of this.
@Drewva ok cool, anything more you’d like to say?
