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Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:37 am
by callforjudgement
Game statusRecord of toDay's failed proposals:
Spoiler: AP's proposal
For
(2): Hidden Happiness, CheekyTeeky
Against
(6): popsofctown, AP, Bingle, Lil Uzi Vert, pisskop, Dunnstral
Not voting
(4): momo, apthet, Gamma Emerald, Creature
Current proposal
(by Bingle):
For
(1): Bingle
Against
(0):
nobody

Not voting
(11): momo, apthet, Gamma Emerald, Creature, popsofctown, AP, Lil Uzi Vert, pisskop, Dunnstral, Hidden Happiness, CheekyTeeky



Proposal available
(9): momo, popsofctown, Lil Uzi Vert, pisskop, apthet, Dunnstral, CheekyTeeky, Gamma Emerald, Creature
Proposal unavailable
(3): Hidden Happiness, AP, Bingle

To end day with a particular role assignment, one player must propose it, and 7 players vote for it.
Deadline is currently 06:00 UTC on Thursday 8 August (
automatic countdown: (expired on 2019-08-08 06:00:00)
). It will be extended when a proposal is made.

Unofficial vote count
momo
(1): popsofctown

These votes don't do anything, but I'm counting them anyway.

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:38 am
by callforjudgement
CheekyTeeky has been prodded.

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:31 am
by Hidden Happiness
In post 2998, popsofctown wrote:Swapping AP and Dunnstral seems like an obvious optimization
I don't understand why Bingle is BP
But my biggest thing is I'd rather get a different lynch from momo incase Creature flips red and clears momo-slot
I would assume because people wanted him to be BP? I think it's better on Apthet still but maybe putting apthet in the neighbourhood is a good idea actually for secret reasons.

By vote spread the Creature + LUV proposal should have gone through. You already don't want LUV because of associations so excluding momo too is a bit needlessly difficult. Especially since I think you'd prefer AP and he's
probably town
not a supported lynch except by Creature? I'd still rather we just vote CreaLUV in the first place. - Shadoweh

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:53 am
by popsofctown
I feel like I'm probably not going to get the other lynch I want today. People are planning to give me a weak-ass power role tonight and I am widely townread so I think I'm going to leave the scum guessing on what my LUV alternatives actually are so they don't know whether to let me go on living with bad reads or not.

I posted it in the neighbor PT just now though, it feels like a fun way to get value out of my role. That leaves me accountable for doing implausible 180s on my read and also preserves the sheepability of the reads which are the two main drawbacks to "hide your reads to degrade NK quality"

If people stop their excitement for LUV lynch I will bring a case for who is the highest quality lynch into the open.

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:58 am
by popsofctown
pk and I have been discussing our reads more in depth in the neighborhood so if we both get investigative roles it might not be optimal to add an {additional} potential scum to the neighborhood. The alternative would be to neighborize Dunnstral or to

@mod: is Neighbor: popsofctown a valid role assignment, or is that similar to momo: psychologist in validity?

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:02 am
by callforjudgement
In post 3004, popsofctown wrote:
@mod: is Neighbor: popsofctown a valid role assignment, or is that similar to momo: psychologist in validity?
You can put the same person into the Neighbourhood twice. It's redundant but not invalid.

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:11 am
by popsofctown
2 person neighborhood seems outright stronger than 3 person neighborhood. The gossip is only powerful if it's actually being hidden from scum. I don't really feel like the neighborhood actually helps me sort pisskop and if you added apthet I don't think it would do that much to help me sort her.
There's a special reason the neighborhood "helped me" "read" unwnd in Starry Night :P
There's a risk we don't continue to get offered neighbor roles and that after an NK the neighborhood dwindles to 1 person which is not a neighborhood, but it's a weak power overall so I think it's better to optimize it and risk breaking rather than focus on preserving it.

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:48 am
by Lil Uzi Vert
VOTE: For

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:13 pm
by Bingle
In post 3005, callforjudgement wrote:You can put the same person into the Neighbourhood twice. It's redundant but not invalid.
If we put the same person in the same neighborhood twice, are they required to double post all of their posts in that neighborhood? I vote yes.

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:22 pm
by momo
y'all know i'm for lynching creature and treestumping myself

this is ideal

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:23 pm
by Bingle
In post 3006, popsofctown wrote:There's a risk we don't continue to get offered neighbor roles and that after an NK the neighborhood dwindles to 1 person which is not a neighborhood, but it's a weak power overall so I think it's better to optimize it and risk breaking rather than focus on preserving it.
The reason I wanted to add apthet to the neighborhood is because I tr both you and pk and if apthet is town there's a decent chance of her being nk'd.

My thought is she puts her night action choice into the neighborhood as close as possible to night end and you guys can confirm which invention went where in case she dies, meaning scum can't just hide that they got hero and potentially fuck us or bodyguard and remove all utility from the role.

If we keep getting neighbors, I think giving neighbor to bg is probably a good choice, overall, so they can do the same thing.

I'm also really not concerned with scum listening in on the neighborhood tbh. Like, as just neighbors, your information/conclusions should probably just be shared in the main thread. If we give powerroles to the neighborhood, (and vice versa) they can choose not to share target over night if they think the neighborhood is compromised or even better share target right before daystart.

I'm actually pretty interested in why you are worried about someone joining the neighborhood in the first place, and am going to insist we don't have the neighborhood double up today, because there's potentially a hilarious town coup to be had here if you and pisskop are scum together and the neighborhood would out that. It'd even make up for how garbagey my reads are if that's the case.

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:37 pm
by AP
In post 3003, popsofctown wrote:I feel like I'm probably not going to get the other lynch I want today. People are planning to give me a weak-ass power role tonight and I am widely townread so I think I'm going to leave the scum guessing on what my LUV alternatives actually are so they don't know whether to let me go on living with bad reads or not.

I posted it in the neighbor PT just now though, it feels like a fun way to get value out of my role. That leaves me accountable for doing implausible 180s on my read and also preserves the sheepability of the reads which are the two main drawbacks to "hide your reads to degrade NK quality"

If people stop their excitement for LUV lynch I will bring a case for who is the highest quality lynch into the open.
Haven't you heard? The current proposal has Creature as the lynch, not LUV.

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:38 pm
by AP
In post 3009, momo wrote:y'all know i'm for lynching creature and treestumping myself

this is ideal
Do we? Cuz I don't see your vote for it

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:26 pm
by momo
In post 3012, AP wrote:
In post 3009, momo wrote:y'all know i'm for lynching creature and treestumping myself

this is ideal
Do we? Cuz I don't see your vote for it
VOTE: for

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:27 pm
by momo
In post 3004, popsofctown wrote:pk and I have been discussing our reads more in depth in the neighborhood so if we both get investigative roles it might not be optimal to add an {additional} potential scum to the neighborhood. The alternative would be to neighborize Dunnstral or to

@mod: is Neighbor: popsofctown a valid role assignment, or is that similar to momo: psychologist in validity?
why can't i be psychologist?

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:43 pm
by AP
In post 3014, momo wrote:why can't i be psychologist?
I thought we agreed you were best treestumped so you can lead us to victory?

VOTE: For

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:03 pm
by Bingle
In post 3014, momo wrote:why can't i be psychologist?
You're inactive. If someone proposes you as psychologist it's an invalid proposal.

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:08 pm
by pisskop
hes also scum, so this is fine

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:19 pm
by popsofctown
In post 3010, Bingle wrote:
In post 3006, popsofctown wrote:There's a risk we don't continue to get offered neighbor roles and that after an NK the neighborhood dwindles to 1 person which is not a neighborhood, but it's a weak power overall so I think it's better to optimize it and risk breaking rather than focus on preserving it.
The reason I wanted to add apthet to the neighborhood is because I tr both you and pk and if apthet is town there's a decent chance of her being nk'd.

My thought is she puts her night action choice into the neighborhood as close as possible to night end and you guys can confirm which invention went where in case she dies, meaning scum can't just hide that they got hero and potentially fuck us or bodyguard and remove all utility from the role.

If we keep getting neighbors, I think giving neighbor to bg is probably a good choice, overall, so they can do the same thing.

I'm also really not concerned with scum listening in on the neighborhood tbh. Like, as just neighbors, your information/conclusions should probably just be shared in the main thread. If we give powerroles to the neighborhood, (and vice versa) they can choose not to share target over night if they think the neighborhood is compromised or even better share target right before daystart.

I'm actually pretty interested in why you are worried about someone joining the neighborhood in the first place, and am going to insist we don't have the neighborhood double up today, because there's potentially a hilarious town coup to be had here if you and pisskop are scum together and the neighborhood would out that. It'd even make up for how garbagey my reads are if that's the case.
Ok fine. I would prefer the mafia shoot pisskop so I could be more sure there is no scums in the neighborhood though. pls mafia.

Also you kind of more or less agreed with my concept, then designed a way to angleshoot around it with claiming near the deadline :S

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:57 pm
by Bingle
I would prefer mafia shoot a partner. Just think of the glory if you win anyway. Do it.

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:20 pm
by popsofctown
I mean Guns and Roses almost went lynch TD, shoot Something_Smart as assigned, shoot Croag, so it would have been win anyway.

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:24 pm
by Bingle
Sure, bring up Bingle's one loss. :P

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:27 pm
by Dunnstral
Pops how does your town play differ from your scum play btw

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:28 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 3021, Bingle wrote:Sure, bring up Bingle's one loss. :P
when you replaced in the game was pretty much over going into the night phase

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2019 4:29 pm
by Bingle
Still lost the game.

A loss is a loss is a loss, and I don't care enough about my record to hide behind excuses.