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In post 2503, Luca Blight wrote:Like, Tchill is scumreading Datisi for based on her content, but he isn't actually

reading

her content.

Is that not a bit sus?

In post 2521, Luca Blight wrote:Ok, let's stick with Gobble, then.

I promise not to change this time.

In post 2562, Luca Blight wrote:UNVOTE:

VOTE: Datisi

That’s the hammer.

In post 2595, Luca Blight wrote:I was right about Gobble, he is definitely scum.

I’m parking my vote on him tomorrow.

In post 2596, Luca Blight wrote:The other scum is probably Tchill, but could conceivably be Klick.

In post 2998, Luca Blight wrote:Tchill has tried to hype up his Gobble vote to something massive, as if it actually meant anything.

In reality it was a mere formality. Gobble was never getting hammered by Klick.

Klick was already conf town and never getting lynched following my Gobble vote. Tchill's used it as an opportunity to make out he''s done Klick a favour, when it was virtually meaningless.

In post 3001, Tchill13 wrote:

In post 2998, Luca Blight wrote:Tchill has tried to hype up his Gobble vote to something massive, as if it actually meant anything.

In reality it was a mere formality. Gobble was never getting hammered by Klick.

Klick was already conf town and never getting lynched following my Gobble vote. Tchill's used it as an opportunity to make out he''s done Klick a favour, when it was virtually meaningless.

"its bullshit tchill isnt voting gobble"

"its bullshit tchill is voting gobble"

why did you make an outburst if it wasnt gonna mean anything anyway?

In post 712, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 632, Datisi wrote:Mainly post 551
I think I had commented at the time that I felt like scum!Icon wanted a sheep, but then went back to pushing me after people started voting me and accusing him of being my buddy?

Mainly his catchup to my reads and discussion, but he's still a firm null

Holy shit alot of stuff happened today. I miss one day at work and there's like 150 posts.

I quoted this because I now see what happened. I got the timeline wrong. I think 419 is the origin of my confusion regarding Icon's push. Tchill talked about 3 votes on Datisi. In fact there was only ever 2. Tchill and Icon. While Luca consistently read Datisi as scummy and put doubt on her, he wasn't voting her.

The whole thing started when Icon cased Emperor in 227, which had early traction until tchill let the air out of the Emperor push and then tchill voted Datisi in 235.

Almost comes into the game catches up and votes Kop. Then at 320 Icon votes Kop. After that Icon then seems to shade Luca a bit because of the Datisi scumread then signs off on it because of the lurking at posts 330 and 331. Datisi comes out with her reads list then Icon goes back to Kop at 344(all of this takes place within an hour). For the next 20 posts Luca and Icon ratchet up the pressure on Datisi and 366 Icon switches his vote back over to Datisi. Then 372 Icon hops back over to Kop after reading the Datisi/Icon/Luca situation as potentially all town. Datisi then votes Kop at 375. All that happened within 5 hours of the original call out for lurking. Kop goes up to L-1. Tchill calls out the kop votes and calls for more pressure on Datisi. So then there's some time where the votes are sitting on Kop then the replacement request happens. Then 477 Emperor votes Datisi for there to be 2 votes there. Now Luca votes Datisi at 488. And it's immediately after he expresses skepticism of Icon for switching his vote off Datisi back at post 371. Then 490 Icon votes Datisi. This entire current wagon built up from 1 vote to L-1 in under a page.
I'm most skeptical of Luca here. I don't see what changed from when he was shading Datisi the first time Icon ran the wagon to this time. I was looking at Icon/Datisi and I missed the person who was sitting mostly on the sidelines. I think when it got more likely, specifically when Emperor hopped on, now he felt he had more cover and came in as the middle vote.

VOTE: Luca



Pedit: as I was typing this monster I saw a luca vote from A50. So this is now L-2

In post 750, Chemist1422 wrote:

VC 1.7

Datisi (3)

- Tchill13, Emperor flippyNips, Iconeum

Luca Blight (3)

- Alisae, Almost50, Billy Pilgrim

Alisae (1)

- Luca Blight

Tchill13 (1)

- Klick

Not Voting (1)

- Datisi

With 9 alive, majority is 5.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-08-28 07:00:00)

Notes

Klick is V/LA for a few days.

In post 866, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 859, Datisi wrote:

In post 853, Billy Pilgrim wrote:I agree that her Luca case was weak at the time she voted, but I'm having trouble seeing a scum motivation here.

You're voting Luca right now though. Is it just because of his vote on me? Did your view of him change after he explain how he got to voting me?

He's my primary read at the moment, not because he voted you but because of how he voted you. If he had that scum read and he wanted to see how you'd react, it should have happened 200 posts earlier. And then he says your scum game is ignoring your scumreads, but you engaged with both Icon and Luca after you started posting again. As it happened, he waited until one other person, namely Flippy, hopped on. I think he thought it was a safe bet that he could bring Icon back over, and then he'd be in the middle of a wagon and just waiting for someone else to hop on. And at that time the momentum built fast. I'm not a fan of how he handled that interaction with Ali, but I don't know how I would have handled that, so I don't think that's particularly AI. But I see an opportunistic hop on to a wagon that can probably get to L-1 easy and maybe up to a lynch, particularly when he has been saying he's scumreading you for 200+ posts and that's my leading candidate. I'm mostly lost this game, but I think there may be something there.

In post 876, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 869, Iconeum wrote:It's the lack of vote despite Luca scumreading Datisi? Ali is this what you mean as well?

It's that coupled with the overall fence sitting. Early on he's making reads, but he's leaving himself ways out of them. It's like he's looking for someone else to sign off. It's like he doesn't want to be out on his own. I get that we were all confused in the early game, but it came off that he didn't want to be pinned down to anything. Like if you asked for clarification he could easily revise it. When Ali had clipped those earlier posts of his it was fresh in my mind, so seeing the way he joined the Datisi wagon when he had been shading and shading and scum reading and then it was a wagon and he could join, it felt scummy.

In post 887, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 873, Luca Blight wrote:Billy, is my explanation for the timing of my vote believable to you; that I was multi-tasking and phone-posting at the time of the Datisi pressure (I’m clearly not making this bit up as I mentioned it just prior to the drama) and then proceeded to vote the following day when I had digested what had happened and had computer access to properly review what had occurred?

It's believable, but I don't think it makes it better. She was already your top scumlean 224. Then from 345 through to 357 you are building your scum read up, and even quoting old posts (I only play on mobile so I know that that shit is hard). So I don't know how mobile posting excuses you not voting based on conviction when you can build a case and quote history. Then the post immediately before you vote Datisi, you shade Icon for hopping off, and then he hops on 2 posts later after saying he never left the SR of Datisi. Honestly your defense about multitasking and mobile posting may make it worse. Even if it's true, why would that impact your ability to vote your read?

In post 898, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 880, Luca Blight wrote:Billy, you’re holding the fact that I was unsure of my very early reads against me? I think I’ve been in the same boat as most in this game in that I’ve had many Townread and few good scumreads. The further the game has progressed the more sure of my reads I’ve become, and I have expressed this.

It's not about the unsureness of your reads. We all had that. It was that the unsureness of your reads was coupled with this seeming desire to have someone else commit to them before you would. I get that the early game reads were unsure. But I find it hard to believe that your posts in the 350 range reflected a lack of "sure-ness.". And given how that played out, it felt like you were still waiting on someone else to sign off.

In post 912, Billy Pilgrim wrote:

In post 889, Alisae wrote:Billy who else is scum and why if you don't think its icon sell me on something

I started typing out a reads list, then j realized I'm still mostly confused. I see how Icon doesn't look good in that interaction, but I've seen Icon play that style before and he was town. I like to look at voting behavior more than anything else personally.

A50, why did Luca's answers seem sufficient to you? Was it just the tone?

In post 914, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Also, I love that Ali just called Miranda rights Amanda rights. I'm also amused that she basically put Luca under arrest. Is that a citizen's arrest?

In post 3002, Luca Blight wrote:I could have equally voted you or Gobble, since you're the scum team.

I haven't TR A50/Gobble since D1.

I wanted to make sure of my Klick read before I made a vote. When he posted the letter he was pretty obviously town.

Klick was already town-cleared. He was never getting lynched, as you well know.

And you were claiming I'm scum for voting Gobble '

without concrete evidence'

, and now you're calling me scum for not voting right at the start of the day? I voted Gobble when I

HAD

the evidence that Klick was definitely town.

In post 2263, Tchill13 wrote:At one point I played about 70 percent of my games with boonskies (love that guy) and I literally would just concentrate on manipulating his familiarity with me. Won 2 scum games off of it. Fun stuff.

In post 287, Almost50 wrote:

In post 99, Datisi wrote:

In post 1, Chemist1422 wrote:

Game-Specific Info

• 2 week day phases, 2 day night phases.
  
• Majority lynches only.
  
• Mafia daytalk is disabled.

They're not talking about anything.
That's why I asked, I figured mafia!Billy would've said "oh maf ain't talking they have no daytalk"

Datisi confirmed a townie. She sees exactly what I see.

My town block is me, Datisi, Billy and Klick (that was his town slip)

In post 702, Almost50 wrote:I maybe crazy, but after having finished reading I think I TR Iconeum harder now, while -at the same town- still maintaining a TR on Datisi. (If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but having been in several fights with Iconeum in the past I know this could very well come from town!him, and I also sympathize with Datisi because she is taking my role in that fight).

And allow me to point out (@Ali) that I think you probably misread 618. I didn't get the feeling he was mad at ou challenging his authority at all. Read it again, if you will.

As for Billy & Klick.. the "test" made me feel good about the both of them. Billy town!slipped, and I thought Klick did too, but I also asked myself "Why would Klick come clean and admit it wasn't a town!slip on his part when he could have just ridden it and enjoyed the Town cred?")

Update: Your slot (Ali) seems town enough to me now. I dunno how to exactly phrase it into words, but the way you play .. I dunno.. doesn't have enough fluff and no signs of manipulation has been detected.

So, it's Luca/Nips/Tchill if I had to consider a lynch pool based on PoE, but I don't have a case on any of them, and I may even have reservations on going full force on someone like Tchill whom I've seen play just like that as town.

Nips is a "fox", which is why I'm being wary of him, but to tell you the truth I am not sure he had done anything scummy either. It's just paranoia if I wanted to be honest.

Finally, Luca.. I can see your case on him, but I also thing you're being too aggressive to the point he cannot rationally argue back (I know the feeling too... ). My point is, I know I have to be wrong on someone or the other.. (two of them in fact), so I'm just waiting for someone to actually slip (or come close) so that I know what's what. Else, I think I'd need a flip to start connecting the dots, and that's bad in itself because it's more of a Micro (who decided to put 9 players setups in the minis??)

Bottom line: Forget anything I said at will, but Iconeum is most likely town here.

P-edit: It's pretty good you're coming around on this on your own too.

In post 1651, Almost50 wrote:Iconeum: Claimed PR. Crumbed it pretty obviously before "fake claiming" another PR (but same function). I buy the claim that he targeted Ali, but I am confused as to why he would if he thought Ali was likely the NK. All in all you don't lynch the ONLY claimed PR in the game. For all we know he could be the sole PR we have here.

Luca Blight: He was pressured for most of D1 (the part after Ali subbed in) yet he didn't stutter or falter. If he is scum I'd commend him for his steal nerves. I think his reaction was well composed and even his anger sounded genuine to me.

Lil Uzi Vert: I auto SR LUV, so that's not it. Billy was so relaxed for a newb scum and that "test" really works in his favour. Also the timing of his replace-out would be odd for a scumster as it was clear the pressure is totally off his slot.

Klick: Natural ungated thoughts even if he seems to go against the louder voices. He only cares to show his own thoughts as clear as possible and doesn't seem to care about the consequences.

Datisi: This may be the most inexplicable TR of mine in this game. I had her as Town early on from tone, but then I didn't see a single thing that made me reconsider. It doesn't help that the pushes against her were bad and that;s probably what Ali saw and thus decided to throw his weight behind saving her.

Almost50: That's me. I only have my role PM to argue with (and it's not available to any of you, so I perfectly understand). If I was a bypasser I'd wonder what this slot has done to be TR'd, but I also have the advantage of knowing me and knowing I'm not this passive as scum.. like EVER.

Tchill13: I killed the notion to pressure you on D1 because you were acting exactly the same as the previous game when you got lynched on D1 and were town. I sometimes feel for people who continuously get ML'd early on (ask Cheeky. I think I've defended her as both alignments as she is one of those slots people just love to vote early on). Today you are probably the one who is trying the hardest to get the game moving, so if I was going to null read your play on D1 I sure am TRing you on your D2 play.

So there! Now help me see the light by poking wholes in my short analysis on whomever you wish to. Just don't try to use something that could be seen from a different angle, because as long as it's debatable then I am more likely to hold on to my own view. But tell me "this is wrong because..." and I'm game.

In post 1848, Almost50 wrote:Fine!

@Mod: Replace me. Sorry for the fuss.

In post 3014, Luca Blight wrote:Tchill, I'm not interacting with you anymore so please stop spamming the thread with your repeated nonsense.

This is why Tchill's self-meta should be thrown in the rubbish bin where it belongs:

In post 2263, Tchill13 wrote:At one point I played about 70 percent of my games with boonskies (love that guy) and I literally would just concentrate on manipulating his familiarity with me. Won 2 scum games off of it. Fun stuff.

In post 1381, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:

Iconeum

Luca Blight

Alisae
Klick

Emperor flippyNips

Datisi
Almost50

Tchill13

In post 1984, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:

In post 1848, Almost50 wrote:Fine!

@Mod: Replace me. Sorry for the fuss.

This is most defeated I’ve ever A50. I don’t know what to make of it because I wanna just write it off as town.

In post 2176, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I still find Gobble’s claim weird and the more I try to wrap my head around it, the more I want to lynch it. I’m not sure if he’s scum for only being able to use his role on Night 3 because red herrings and wine exist. I just believe that the NRG wouldn’t gate a bodyguard when a mailman is the only other power town has. Feels unnecessary which is why I asked if he was elite.

I’m not sure if it was you Datisi but if you’re just going to call my content word salad and disregard, how are you ever going to actually sort me?

In post 2246, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I’m fine lynching in Datisi, Gobble, and Iconeum today. I need to reread this Day 2 to really solidify or disconfirm my dislike of tchill’s play today.

In post 2268, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why can’t Gobble be scum?

In post 2271, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think Gobble’s role doesn’t make any sense with mailman or his modifier.

In post 2273, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Also I feel like when we get close to lynching someone we get distracted by something shiny and then go off the rails. That usually leads to mislynches like Flippy.

In post 2277, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:And it’s not just the claim. Gobble has done zero scum hunting. His entire ISO is just mechanics and style.

In post 2311, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:If you two are just going to be brick walls and repeat the same play that essentially got Emperor lynched than I’ll just do the same.

VOTE: Gobble

In post 2333, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Or he’s scum because despite his claim, his play seems designed to look busy.

In post 2335, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:There was no risk to claiming there because of how A50 replaced out.

In post 2336, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:No there’s a difference between being busy actually playing and looking like you’re busy. The two massive posts he made are the latter.

In post 2343, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:What exactly is Datisi town meta again?

In post 2410, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:VOTE: Datisi

In post 2182, gobbledygook wrote:For these reasons, I believe this should be our kill order {LUV, Datisi, Luca Blight, Klick, Tchill13} with the scum team more than likely being LUV/Datisi.

VOTE: LUV

In post 2221, gobbledygook wrote:Ok. I caught up to like page 75.

Datisi and Klick had the worst votes on the Flippy wagon. The way Klick handled that end of day wagon gives him strong scum equity in my mind. Datisi's vote also seems like self preservation and it swung the momentum onto Flippy. If there's anything that anyone wants me to look over, please let me know. I'm not going to spam the thread though especially when we are so close to deadline and really just need to be focusing our efforts.

That being said, I think this is the correct play for today.

VOTE: Datisi

In post 2240, gobbledygook wrote:That’s what it sounded like Tchill wanted. Plus I’m pretty sure I have the scum nailed down to {Datisi, Klick, Luv} so I’m personally happy with day ending whenever

In post 2377, gobbledygook wrote:I would say that Datisi/LUV is my strongest pick for the scumteam, but if I am wrong about one of them then it is Klick. Driving home, but from what I remember they have been throwing out townreads on one another and given the game state and my own reads I find that peculiar.

In post 2384, gobbledygook wrote:Hmm.. Maybe Datisi is town afterall.

VOTE: LUV

This is L-1

In post 2594, gobbledygook wrote:Yeah I’ve been fooled twilight by scum, but I would have rathered lUV

If you’re town datisi I will carry on your will

In post 2622, gobbledygook wrote:

In post 2621, Luca Blight wrote:Question for Gobble: from the tone of your posts you seem to believe I’m Town. Can you confirm whether this is the case?

Yes, this is the case. Based off Datisi flip, I think the team is LUV + Klick. In hindsight, this team looks fairly obvious. I'm just waiting for the mail to get to put a bow on the game.

In post 2805, gobbledygook wrote:I admit I may be tunneling but I know I’m town and have pretty strong townread on Tchill and a town read on Luca. By POE it is you and Luv

In post 3014, Luca Blight wrote:Tchill, I'm not interacting with you anymore so please stop spamming the thread with your repeated nonsense.

This is why Tchill's self-meta should be thrown in the rubbish bin where it belongs:

In post 2263, Tchill13 wrote:At one point I played about 70 percent of my games with boonskies (love that guy) and I literally would just concentrate on manipulating his familiarity with me. Won 2 scum games off of it. Fun stuff.

In post 3021, Tchill13 wrote:its either Luca/LUV or gobble/Tchill FOR SURE.