In post 2989, Flavor Leaf wrote:We don’t get like any information from a toogeloo flip, though
I've never really seen this as a good reason to not elim someone, but for me I think for me it's that while not looking like they care about finding scum, there is a lack of pretense there, which doesn't make me read Toog as town, but makes them less scummy to me than others.
For me, it’s like, I’m just gonna end up pushing Catboi tomorrow, and then there’s gonna be distractions from any night actions going over which will take away from Catboi.
And I don’t think I make it to Day 3.
I'm totally with you on Catboi. I guess that's the frustrating thing for me because I know that it will be difficult for me to effectively push a catboi elim through and I think the gamestate may be such that people won't buy what you're selling either rn
I’m just gonna sit there.
It’s not like my reads on every slot at this point aren’t at least somewhat talked about.
I’ve given my thoughts on other scum, my votes just gonna stay there because I think it’s the best day 1 fade here.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 12:24 am
by Flavor Leaf
Eventually I’ll do a case and a harder push, but we have time.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 12:26 am
by Klick
I'm probably going to sheep mastina on wherever she settles, I'd love a Toog vote but Enchant is also fine
Mastina is the player whose read on the game most closely resembles mine so I'll put my weight behind her for the moment until I feel there's something more relevant for me to tackle
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 12:32 am
by catboi
let me see how many pages showed up overnight
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 12:33 am
by catboi
only 4, weak
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 1:31 am
by catboi
I believe with reasonable confidence right now SCP vs butterchurn is TVT and that SCP is biased because their frame of reference is butterchurn's scumgame and the similarities they're seeeing are just playstyle markers. I'll maybe take the time to do a little research there later to be sure but that
In post 2932, mastina wrote:There's a certain level of "casualness" to be had--not too serious, but also not too empty. There's lighthearted pushes, but those lighthearted pushes are backed by opinions. These stances are ones that look like they are formed independently and contain unique reasons and logic that is decent, but not perfect. Wallflower looks exactly like I would expect a newer less-established town player to be to me: not able to radiate obvtown the way some obvtown do, but not radiating obvtown the way scum in multiball would.
Bleh, you probably have a point there
In post 2932, mastina wrote:Y'all I don't know why you've not been wagoning Toogeloo since Toog's not even trying to pretend that this isn't Toog's scumgame.
Is your reason for not limming the obvscum "Toog's not even trying to hide being scum and thus cannot be scum"?
Because Toog is just scum here pretty damn obviously so.
In post 2933, mastina wrote:Toog? No, it's literally the opposite. Toog never makes that vote as town.
Toog plays like this basically every game, though. That's why they're at hard null for me. That feels like a really weak place to go for a day 1 elim. You're going to have to explain to me why that vote from them is scummy rather than just lazy.
In post 2936, mastina wrote:Because Toogeloo has a strong tendency to not actually vote.
And when Toogeloo does, it's almost never on the main wagon.
I...don't think this is true.
In post 2944, Wallflower wrote:The townread of me + read of catboi as strong Town is also quite dissonant. The effort put in to explain a townread of me is also weirdly selective when explaining the catboi townread would probably be the priority for mastina town? But my guess is that she sees me as the damsel in distress
some VCs from CONTROL, Toog was town and on the main wagon 3/5 times, I super believe that regardless of alignment they have a "just get the day over with" attitude.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 1:50 am
by catboi
In post 2986, Klick wrote:Part of this is my responsibility as well for joining a big game like this fully aware that it has the potential to spiral out to a level where I can't process it. But then, I guess I can't help myself either sometimes lol.
IMHO, on day 1 you don't necessarily need to be a main character or anything, focus on contributing what you can with the time you have and then ramp up participation in later days when the noise level dies dies down.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 1:55 am
by catboi
VOTE: Nashville Dreams
I was going to give them a little time to see what they came back with. It's been over a day since either of them last posted. I find it hard to believe both heads of a hydra become unavailable at the ame time. I think they've either given up on the game or are intentionally avoiding it in the hope the pressure on them will go down. And for Malakittens in particular, lurking out to this degree is a scumtell, given she's drawn scum in multiple recent games and is incredibly burned out on playing it.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 2:26 am
by MonkeyMan576
In post 2960, mastina wrote:Basically:
1: We have a week until deadline
2: I am catching up
3: A fair amount of the strength in my catboi townread comes from content later in my catchup
4: catboi is the main wagon right now
5: I am not defending catboi
6: Wallflower is insinuating that because of point #4, point #5 makes me suspect.
7: I am rebuking that point by demonstrating that, thanks to point #1, there is no need for a catboi elimination to be pushed through
8: If a catboi elimination is not pushed through while I am catching up, there was no need for me to defend him, since I can defend him after the catchup or later during it
9: If a catboi elimination IS pushed through while I am catching up, then it is the players involved that are to blame, not me, because of points 2, 3, and 8.
I'm not sure how else to explain this.
You're acting like you know catboi would flip town.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 2:26 am
by catboi
I'm reading butterchurn's ISO from Mini 2257. The things I'm noticing about him in that:
- very overcautious in giving opinions, has a limited perspective on the game
- a lot of his posts are simply questioning other people about their own reads
- makes a heavy IIOA post analyzing a wagon
- long post attempting to case a tonie relying heavily on summary
- extremely hedgy read on his scumbuddy
- avoids scumhunting by focusing on hypotheticals instead
I don't
think
that's like how he's played this game. I'll give it a review though.
In post 2960, mastina wrote:Basically:
1: We have a week until deadline
2: I am catching up
3: A fair amount of the strength in my catboi townread comes from content later in my catchup
4: catboi is the main wagon right now
5: I am not defending catboi
6: Wallflower is insinuating that because of point #4, point #5 makes me suspect.
7: I am rebuking that point by demonstrating that, thanks to point #1, there is no need for a catboi elimination to be pushed through
8: If a catboi elimination is not pushed through while I am catching up, there was no need for me to defend him, since I can defend him after the catchup or later during it
9: If a catboi elimination IS pushed through while I am catching up, then it is the players involved that are to blame, not me, because of points 2, 3, and 8.
I'm not sure how else to explain this.
You're acting like you know catboi would flip town.
You realize that's actually impossible for anyone to know for sure, right?
In post 2960, mastina wrote:Basically:
1: We have a week until deadline
2: I am catching up
3: A fair amount of the strength in my catboi townread comes from content later in my catchup
4: catboi is the main wagon right now
5: I am not defending catboi
6: Wallflower is insinuating that because of point #4, point #5 makes me suspect.
7: I am rebuking that point by demonstrating that, thanks to point #1, there is no need for a catboi elimination to be pushed through
8: If a catboi elimination is not pushed through while I am catching up, there was no need for me to defend him, since I can defend him after the catchup or later during it
9: If a catboi elimination IS pushed through while I am catching up, then it is the players involved that are to blame, not me, because of points 2, 3, and 8.
I'm not sure how else to explain this.
You're acting like you know catboi would flip town.
You realize that's actually impossible for anyone to know for sure, right?
Of course, I said how she's acting.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 2:33 am
by catboi
In this case that is called "being confident"
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 2:35 am
by MonkeyMan576
Seems odd to be confident when you are one of the lowest posters in the game.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 2:39 am
by catboi
What does post count have to do with confidence?
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 2:42 am
by MonkeyMan576
In post 3018, catboi wrote:What does post count have to do with confidence?
I don't know, maybe because I develop reads by actually interacting with people, not by sitting back and watching everyone else do the work. But maybe that's just me.
Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 2:49 am
by Klick
In post 3013, catboi wrote:I'm reading butterchurn's ISO from Mini 2257. The things I'm noticing about him in that:
- very overcautious in giving opinions, has a limited perspective on the game
- a lot of his posts are simply questioning other people about their own reads
- makes a heavy IIOA post analyzing a wagon
- long post attempting to case a tonie relying heavily on summary
- extremely hedgy read on his scumbuddy
- avoids scumhunting by focusing on hypotheticals instead
I don't
think
that's like how he's played this game. I'll give it a review though.
If it helps, this was my assessment of butter upon replacing into that game:
In post 689, Klick wrote:But a quick ISO of butterchurn in this game compared to his other completed game on-site makes me feel pretty odd about him. The general impression I get from his posts in this game is that he's trying to *present* information, to *persuade* in what he writes. Where in his other game everything felt more like *analysis*.
Pretty vague general observation but it's my initial impression. We'll see if it holds up when I read more in-depth.
Butter's posts in this game have definitely felt more like analysis than persuasion to me, but I don't know how useful that is in this context (I doubt scum!butter feels a particular need to be a heavy persuading force in this gamestate). I think butter is town anyway, their contributions have been solid and felt genuine.
In post 3018, catboi wrote:What does post count have to do with confidence?
I don't know, maybe because I develop reads by actually interacting with people, not by sitting back and watching everyone else do the work. But maybe that's just me.
You can't assume everyone plays the game like you.
In post 3018, catboi wrote:What does post count have to do with confidence?
I don't know, maybe because I develop reads by actually interacting with people, not by sitting back and watching everyone else do the work. But maybe that's just me.
You can't assume everyone plays the game like you.
No, but it is scummy to continuously lurk, so I take her reads as far as I can throw them.
In post 3013, catboi wrote:I'm reading butterchurn's ISO from Mini 2257. The things I'm noticing about him in that:
- very overcautious in giving opinions, has a limited perspective on the game
- a lot of his posts are simply questioning other people about their own reads
- makes a heavy IIOA post analyzing a wagon
- long post attempting to case a tonie relying heavily on summary
- extremely hedgy read on his scumbuddy
- avoids scumhunting by focusing on hypotheticals instead
I don't
think
that's like how he's played this game. I'll give it a review though.
If it helps, this was my assessment of butter upon replacing into that game:
In post 689, Klick wrote:But a quick ISO of butterchurn in this game compared to his other completed game on-site makes me feel pretty odd about him. The general impression I get from his posts in this game is that he's trying to *present* information, to *persuade* in what he writes. Where in his other game everything felt more like *analysis*.
Pretty vague general observation but it's my initial impression. We'll see if it holds up when I read more in-depth.
Butter's posts in this game have definitely felt more like analysis than persuasion to me, but I don't know how useful that is in this context (I doubt scum!butter feels a particular need to be a heavy persuading force in this gamestate). I think butter is town anyway, their contributions have been solid and felt genuine.
Yeah I mean it's obviously possible in multiball to fake analysis reasonably as compared to singleball but I haven't felt anything bad from him so far, just checking on it because other people have expressed suspicion and because of the way the game is moving I haven't been closely reading everything
In post 3018, catboi wrote:What does post count have to do with confidence?
I don't know, maybe because I develop reads by actually interacting with people, not by sitting back and watching everyone else do the work. But maybe that's just me.
You can't assume everyone plays the game like you.
No, but it is scummy to continuously lurk, so I take her reads as far as I can throw them.