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hitogoroshi wrote:

Furcolow wrote:

hitogoroshi wrote:L-2.

We need to get a couple of things straight before hammahtime. Have to pick graverobbers, and I need to update the reference. I'm a bit strapped for time, so I'd appreciate the danger/no danger lists from someone.

Also, Furc, curious as to your thoughts on this:

hito wrote:If you think Xvart is cult and not murderer, we could have you bet your life on it. I'd rather avoid investigators murdering investigators, but if you honestly think he's cult we could do that.

i feel like if he's an investigator he shouldn't carry through with it, and if he's mafia he can't because he will be busy performing cultic rituals. I feel sacrificing a confirmed townie for another confirmed townie (if he was even successful in killing me) isn't that advantageous to the town.

Right, I completely agree, it's not worth it if he's town. What I'm saying is,

if you think he's cult

, we could dare him to go through with it. If he fails to murder you, we lynch him. Obviously it sucks if he's investigator. I'm just bringing this up because if you think xvart is cult we could put it to the test right here and now. (We would want to you rez in that case, so the murder would be guaranteed to work if xvart really sent it in.) It's your call, just want to make sure you're aware of the option.

I Thought you were good, Hitogoroshi

How the fuck can you take someones life for WIFOM?
Cult, you would know he's town and CAN do it
Cult, if he's cult he could still claim that someone rezzed ... or one of your cult could rez ME. when that person or you or xvart flipped cult it could even implicate me to idiots
town, if he's cult, this is the only good scenario
town, and he's town, ok we just lost a townie

what's the percentage of sucking on that? what is the percentage of you being town and him being cult? because you know i'm town. you'd also have to eliminate any opportunity that included ME being cult, so take out a fourth of those options... and since we've lost 4 investigators, it is more likely people are cult now... sup

GRAVEROB PLAN:

FURPANTS: FURCOLOW, WAGONEE #2
EL GOOSUKI: FURCOLOW, WAGONEE #3

Furc, nobody, and I mean nobody, wants you to graverob.

If you'd like to have a vote to prove this, we can.

EBWOP:

Sorry, that is incorrect.

Some people dont' care if you grave rob

However,

Nobody, and I mean nobody, wants you in the official graverob plan.

Seacore wrote:My thoughts on xvart - At the time that xvart chose to stalk, we thought we'd caught 1, maybe more, scum. Furc jeopardised the town with his actions and has added nothing positive all game. In the assumption that xvart is an investigator, I don't view him as murderous or anti town for his actions. He's admitted that he won't follow through because we're bleeding numbers at the moment. It has been mentioned previously that anti-town characters need to be taken care of and that we can't waste lynches on them. It should be noted that xvart also just finished playing A Clash of Kings mafia, and town lost by leaving village idiots alive too long. His claimed stalk is fine by me, unfortunately we can't afford for him to go through with it.

My thoughts on Spyrex - The lack of resus claimer is concerning, but it's not unreasonable to think that Tom rezzed him, especially considering how Tom died. The mod has expained that all resuscitators get a message to say Success or Fail. The rule that everybody keeps quoting probably meant to say that you won't know why it failed.

My thoughts on El G, the best lynch

My thoughts on Wraith - dude, did you read their claimed N1 action, it's pretty obvious what they would have claimed their N0 action as.

this is a really polarizing flip
I am fairly sure El G is more likely scum than xvart, so I am going to pursue it in comparison to preserving my life.
I wanted to get to play with Iecerint and Plum more, but if Xvart wants to be an idiot and kill fellow town members that is his own option. It would be a really greedy play to kill a confirmed town who got himself confirmed by seeing misclarifications in the ruleset as opposed to someone breaking one of the Ten Commandments (kind of kidding) .

EBWOP: Sure, seacore, vote on it. Vote on whether or not to have me as a town protect our corpses from giving cult extra-power.

If the town is going to vote on this, though, it will not be a simple yes/no.
The town gets to vote ON MY ACTION. Would you rather me keep warding? Would you rather me use my rez kit? Would you rather me graverob? If more than 75% of the town do not respond to this I am going to do what I want to, which is rob two graves. If this is not voted on in the manner in which I want, with bolded votes, and in the following format: or VOTE: VOTE: <action> I will do what I want to do as everyone else has.

You claim I do not know this setup, but my actions have been:
N0: Ward
N1: Search: Rez Kit
N2: Ward on someone who hasn't heard noise

I consider that very good knowledge of the setup
I am actually going to side with Iecerint and say that Xvart needs to go. I was given way too short of a leash by the town after failing stalks in SA2, and I don't want to see that happen again.

I'm pretty sure I know the setup better than YOU, seacore.


ALSO IT'S ONLY YOU that doesnt want me

wait, that is incorrect
triglav doesn't want me graverobbing either
and wraith doesnt want to consider i will actually do it




-
whatever
follow my plan in my post on voting for my action
my actions, however, have been superfluous

Furcolow wrote:I'm pretty sure I know the setup better than YOU, seacore.

False, for example, you want to put our 2nd and 3rd suspects robbing graves? 1 grave each? Why? What does this accomplish, if you knwo the set up so well?

ALSO IT'S ONLY YOU that doesnt want me

False

Here is an example

Triglav #3013 wrote:Agree with Seacore that furc is kinda squirrely, advocate plan that doesn't require him.

Also

Vote: <ignore Furc, and not include him an any plan>

No, I'm not going to bold it, because bold votes are for lynches.

I would like more engagement with the graverob plan from everybody else.

Tom: Spyrex, X
El Goosuki: Spyrex, Y

I think X and Y I think hito and VP might be the way to go there, since we can trust them to take correct insanities.

Vote: <ignore Furc, and not include him in any plan>

I seriously cannot understand how he has deluded himself into believing everyone loves him and believes he should lead us.

El Goosuki wrote:When you all look back upon my lynch, please consider that all but one cultist is on it.

-DGB

Also, this. Explain.

Also, I'd just like to point something out to you Furc. Please explain to me how the underlined description of yourself matches with the actual facts.

Furcolow wrote: I wanted to get to play with Iecerint and Plum more, but if Xvart wants to be an idiot and kill fellow town members that is his own option. It would be a really greedy play to kill

a confirmed town who got himself confirmed by seeing misclarifications in the ruleset

as opposed to someone breaking one of the Ten Commandments (kind of kidding) .

Furcolow #12 wrote:I warded El Goosuki
MoI pushing policy lynch D1 when it should be RVS is suspicious, but he's just mad I got him lynched in ReaperCharlie's mini theme 1000.
I did not hear noise last night.

hitogoroshi #13 wrote: If you warded, you would have heard noise. Lynch all liars.

Because it seems to me that you didn't know, at that point, that you should have heard noise, and it was hito who pointed it out.

Seacore Post 3024 wrote:I'm not trying to defend xvart with the above comment, he's definitely somebody to watch, but I'd like people who are attacking him to attack him using the actual facts.

I get what you're saying even if I don't agree with it. I think the stalk is fake and a good way to hide his involvement in the ritual.

I also don't think furc should be in the official grave rob plan. He has his chance yesterday to win some good faith and he blew it.

Seacore's grave rob plan looks good, my only worry is loading VP and hito up again with more instantiates. I don't have any better ideas at the moment though.

EBWOP: I wouldn't mind Seacore robbing either. I will chat with my other heads and see what ideas they have, if any.

~Sotty.

I'm very willing to graverob, but I understand that some players have lingering concerns with me from Day 1, which is why I didn't put myself forward.
I think players with Occult Books should be avoided, unless they need to boost in insanity points, but I don't think any do, it's too possible for cultists to be on 1 or 2 points at this stage.
People who have claimed forensic kits seems to be the way to go, as they are less likely to get the insanity points other ways.

Furcolow wrote: I Thought you were good, Hitogoroshi

How the fuck can you take someones life for WIFOM?
Cult, you would know he's town and CAN do it
Cult, if he's cult he could still claim that someone rezzed ... or one of your cult could rez ME. when that person or you or xvart flipped cult it could even implicate me to idiots
town, if he's cult, this is the only good scenario
town, and he's town, ok we just lost a townie

what's the percentage of sucking on that? what is the percentage of you being town and him being cult? because you know i'm town. you'd also have to eliminate any opportunity that included ME being cult, so take out a fourth of those options... and since we've lost 4 investigators, it is more likely people are cult now... sup

You have a rez kit, you can make yourself un-rezzable tonight to stop cult shenanigans. I think there's a good chance xvart is cult and was curious to see if you agreed. If you're going to be pursuing an xvart-cult case tomorrow, it'd be better to force the issue tonight because we get free cult if we're right and, while you die if we're wrong, it also means we spend the day doing something besides mislynching xvart. So the deal is overwhelmingly in your favor IF xvart is your top cult suspect, because you're either right (in which case there's no risk in forcing him to follow through with the murder, and tomorrow is a nice short cult lynch) or you're wrong (in which case we don't waste a day on a mislynch of xvart). It's a bad deal IF you think there's a good chance xvart ISN'T cult, and intend to pursue other suspects. Savvy?

Wraith wrote:

El Goosuki wrote:When you all look back upon my lynch, please consider that all but one cultist is on it.

-DGB

Also, this. Explain.

I do read the game. While the argument that I am a triple-VI and policy-lynch is compelling, there is actually very little to recommend me as cult or murderer. Those players that call me scummy, especially, sound wholly insincere, and opportunistic.

I'm quite certain that MANY cultists are on my worthy wagon, perhaps one of the cultists is currently feeling some heat, making me a convenient and expeditious counter-wagon. I accept responsibility for making it easy for scum to do this, but I do hope you will not let them get away with it in future days.

My intuition tells me that the players calling me "scummy" are the most likely to be cultists. They probably feel like they need to justify themselves more emphatically than a townie wishing to be rid of a VI. Cultists need to appeal to something more convincing, like calling me scum.

If anyone thinks about it, it's extremely unlikely that I be cult. The fact that *I* have to explain this, makes it WIFOM, but if I had buddies, they might send in night choices for me, poke me, and make sure I do something worthwhile at night.

There is probably one cult defending me, and the rest are calling me "scum," and are already voting for me.

-DGB

Has anyone gone back to check Furpants' comments about SpyreX to see if Furpants rezzing SpyreX is plausible?

El Goosuki, 2984 wrote:Note that I am at

L-1

on account of suicidal insanity.

I would still like an explanation for this post, considering the vote count with the lynch threshold right above it. I doubt, considering your involvement this game, that you went back and counted the votes on you.

Furcolow, 2987 wrote:Plum heard noise, after I cross referenced the list, and is one of my favorite pro-town players.

Please detail why Plum is pro-town.

SpyreX, 3004 wrote:Like I said yesterday I absolutely wouldn't be surprised if I was your stalk target (realistically, it was about a 75% chance in my head that it was one of Wraith or I). So, I would have had to mention this fact and have someone rez me.

NOW, at that point theres really three options:

1.) Have a buddy claim they rezzed me (Good)
2.) Deny your stalk and make you out to be a liar face (Ok)
3.) ??? Rainbow dance party (Bad)

You are forgetting the part where you could have told a Cult buddy to rez you and then decided not to have them claim when the heat came almost immediately after the stalk claim came forward.

Furcolow, 3007 wrote:i feel like if he's an investigator he shouldn't carry through with it, and if he's mafia he can't because he will be busy performing cultic rituals.

And if I was Cult I physically wouldn't be able to Murder even if I was too busy performing cultic rituals.

AurorusVox, 3016 wrote:xvart: scum right here. Why stalk 99.99% confirmed town? To mask other means of gaining insanities. If he felt this strongly, why not do it D1? <-- answer this please, xvart :\

I considered it, but figured my course of action was better in the long run because it would alleviate my personal suspicions and I could just ignore him and his antics the rest of the game. However, his early hammer and grave rob planning shenanigans yesterday solidified it in my mind that he was a liability. Who knows, if he hadn't hammered early we might have got a check in post from the three stooges and they might have realized that night was about to come and we would be in a whole different boat today.

Here's a deal:
If El Goosuki flips some insanity count other than what they claim I'll go through with my kill.
If Furculow does not start behaving in a more town like manner I'll use my judgment and go through with the kill or not.

So, if someone out there with a rez kit wants to spare Furcolow then he/she might want to consider it, just in case.

xvart.

that doesnt mean i know plum is pro-town this game, just that i enjoy it when she is

AurorusVox wrote: SpyreX: warrants a longer paragraph because I'm a bit confused. I did not like the non-claimed Rez, until Furpants rez was mentioned. Hmm.

Let me see though. Icerint claimed to have been notified of the failure.

But, in the Res action info in the OP...
"Any Resuscitate action targeting you tonight will fail, and

the player who targeted you will

not be

notified of the failure.

"

Hrmmmm

Iecerint wrote:The wording in my PM specifically indicates that I was not able to prevent FT from passing on. In other words, the fact that he did not survive is implicit in the wording of the PM itself. I doubt it was a mod error, though that would be lovely.

I am assuming Greater Ritual. Murder target is also a possibility, but much less likely.

From the original post:“Effect: You protect your target against one of either Murder or The Ritual.”
Doesn’t say Greater Ritual. Therefore the only way for Iecerint to have received that message from the mod would be if Greater Ritual occurred.

Which itself doesn’t necessarily rule out Fur using the rez kit, but****** It certainly rules out the excuse that Fur used a rez kit and that’s why he died.

xvart wrote:Has anyone gone back to check Furpants' comments about SpyreX to see if Furpants rezzing SpyreX is plausible?

El Goosuki, 2984 wrote:Note that I am at

L-1

on account of suicidal insanity.

I would still like an explanation for this post, considering the vote count with the lynch threshold right above it. I doubt, considering your involvement this game, that you went back and counted the votes on you.

I misread the number of votes required for a lynch.

-DGB

xvart wrote: Here's a deal:
If El Goosuki flips some insanity count other than what they claim I'll go through with my kill.
If Furculow does not start behaving in a more town like manner I'll use my judgment and go through with the kill or not.

So, if someone out there with a rez kit wants to spare Furcolow then he/she might want to consider it, just in case.

You are NOT murdering Furcolow so you DON'T get to misdirect our rez kits and waste our actions.

Now, there's a chance that Furcolow will want to test your claim. In which case, you ARE murdering Furcolow, and can't claim "whoops cold feet" come tomorrow.

Either way, the one thing that DOESN'T come in to play here at all is your goddamn . The only judgment call here is whether Furc is comfortable gambling his life against the odds you're scum (a deal I'd accept without hesitation after your latest post, but sadly you didn't stalk me.) Amibguity about night actions is EXACTLY what scum want the town to be full of, and if you're townie you're

Ben: We've already been over that song and dance. Obviously the "won't be notified" is to stop rez-confirming when the target wasn't attacked. Percy wouldn't send out a "you succeeded!" pm and then put a corpse in thread.

hitogoroshi wrote:

Furcolow wrote: I Thought you were good, Hitogoroshi

How the fuck can you take someones life for WIFOM?
Cult, you would know he's town and CAN do it
Cult, if he's cult he could still claim that someone rezzed ... or one of your cult could rez ME. when that person or you or xvart flipped cult it could even implicate me to idiots
town, if he's cult, this is the only good scenario
town, and he's town, ok we just lost a townie

what's the percentage of sucking on that? what is the percentage of you being town and him being cult? because you know i'm town. you'd also have to eliminate any opportunity that included ME being cult, so take out a fourth of those options... and since we've lost 4 investigators, it is more likely people are cult now... sup

You have a rez kit, you can make yourself un-rezzable tonight to stop cult shenanigans. I think there's a good chance xvart is cult and was curious to see if you agreed. If you're going to be pursuing an xvart-cult case tomorrow, it'd be better to force the issue tonight because we get free cult if we're right and, while you die if we're wrong, it also means we spend the day doing something besides mislynching xvart. So the deal is overwhelmingly in your favor IF xvart is your top cult suspect, because you're either right (in which case there's no risk in forcing him to follow through with the murder, and tomorrow is a nice short cult lynch) or you're wrong (in which case we don't waste a day on a mislynch of xvart). It's a bad deal IF you think there's a good chance xvart ISN'T cult, and intend to pursue other suspects. Savvy?

No, not savvy, because town on town stalks put the wine in cult's hands.
If xvart and i are both town, they can choose whether or not they want to rez me to make 2 kills for the price of one potentially. if they have you claim a rez on me, for instance, and i don't rez, when you flip cult it would implicate me wrongly. not to mention that xvart would have been lynched following your logic. that would be delayed, as in it wouldn't occur immediately, and it probably wouldn't play out that way at all (cult would probably outnumber town before hito is lynched/stalk-killed if he is cult). If you are cult, though, I doubt they would risk you. They would risk someone like NPAU/Feysal.

Another scenario is if we are both town and you are town and are being heartfelt, which I doubt. If this is the case, why not lynch xvart now? Worst case scenario we are taking a life to save a life which is going to be what he is going to do anyways.

Worst cases: Xvart kills me, we lose a confirmed town
We lynch Xvart, he can't confirm himself, but we save a confirmed town (assuming he's town)
Xvart + Cult kill me, cult rez once, implicate xvart is cult and get both confirmed town lynch/killed

Xvart's stalk can go horribly wrong

Best case scenario:
Xvart is copying benmage, and is cult, and is trying to be "confirmed"*

in which case we need to lynch him

I was still processing. I looked at FurTom's iso and SpyreX's.

It appears as if Fur only asks Spy 1 question--what he thinks of xvart.

Spy never answers this, and barely contributes for the remainder or the day. Meanwhile Fur is very active for the remainder of the day.

I find it incredibly unlikely that Tom rezzed SpyreX, and I repeat again I would much rather lynch him who is much more likely to flip cult.

furc wrote:If xvart and i are both town, they can choose whether or not they want to rez me to make 2 kills for the price of one potentially.

Dude, if you rez, no rez attempts on you will work. So you'll be "murdered" even if cult targets you with ritual and five rez kits.

The only relevant scenarios are:

"Xvart kills me, we lose a confirmed town" (gain an confirmed town and a lynch)

and

"Xvart is copying benmage, and is cult, and is trying to be "confirmed"" (free cult lynch)

what i mean to say is by letting him carry out his kill, the only good chance we have is if he is cult, so why not lynch him and find out faster? i'll rob his grave and furpants_tom's ezpz

I am also feeling DGB is picking up her activity, which is more reason not to lynch her.

ASKED ABOUT XVART? BEN?
Him not answering only implicates Xvart more
would you be ok lynching xvart?
Even if he's town, you would be saving a townie with no insanities
A townie with no insanities > a townie with at least 1 insanity (from stalk), though I believe he has 2... was he passed a fetish?


Those are not the only relevant scenarios

We lynch Xvart, he can't confirm himself, but we save a confirmed town (assuming he's town)
That is relevant, because it is actually WORSE than "Xvart kills me, we lose a confirmed town" because I have less insanities and a rez kit