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↑ Cerulean wrote:Still on phone. Grrr.

Camn - serious question. Are you reading the game?

Ben - why did you use the can't read inexperience well excuse for absta when you played with a scum absta in 20th century?

Ben

↑ Cerulean wrote:t. I want to believe your town and if I could just feel better about that I could direct my attention to the other three in my suspect pool.

Ok - well let me put this to you.

If I were scum- then asking Kise for his targets was scummy
If I know.. there actually isn't much scum motivation to it, right?

So ask yourself this: Can you have it both ways?

Either I knew, and Im scum, and Im lying about not knowing, and it was all a fabrication- (and a poor one at that since it was clearly discussed in thread)... and . Because I knew you could no longer be protected.

Or I know, AND I'm scum (with an equally clueless partner) and I didn't kill you because I thought you would be protected (not noticing that it was mentioned in thread that you are done with protection), in which case asking Kise for his targets was NOT particularly scum motivated.

I think it is more feasible that I actually didn't know- and I'm town. Because my dumb partners surely couldn't have all been as blonde as me, right?

@ Ben- you are on my list still. You dont see my vote anywhere ELSE, do you? However, I agree with your reasoning on DV.
@ Kuribo- I DO appreciate your new attitude. and I AM a lollygagger.. and I have been sick of the insults since, like, 2010. But I post when I can. Otherwise I just read on my phone while im in the bathroom But trust me- I HAVE A PLAN.

I thought you knew so to me it was scum motivated. And I did toss around the pssibiliy of you faking it now or being partnered with someone just as clueless.

If I knew- then I would have known you could be targeted freely, no?
Not saying that I would have killed you over Pless... but I would have

Of course.. I wonder why ANY scum would kill pless-vanilla over any of the PRs..... but me in particular? I would have been surprised to catch any votes from Pless.

Okay, I have a couple minutes access to Internet, hopefully my new modem will solve my problem and can post once I get home.

Empire said he will answer bens question about dv when he gets a chance since he can answer it much better than I can and his read is stronger than mine.

Camn - here's my thought process on the issue were spinning on.

You ask for the doc protects. I think, because you've shown me no reason to think you're missing something, that you know he's limited and therefore to me it had scum motivation.

Then you start talking about you not knowing, which I considered could be fake but would be kinda silly. At that point you asking for doc protects becomes null, you would do it as either alignment.

But you not knowing that kise is supposedly a limited doc could be a reason for why we're still alive, and I have no reason to believe that Jason is actually reading anything, so where I would normally think well if you were scum surely you're partner would have pointed that out, if Jason is scum then it's just as likely it was missed.

So you could not kill us because you thought we were being protected, but that also makes me wonder why kise is still alive. Who doesn't kill the doc?

↑ Cerulean wrote:Who doesn't kill the doc?

This is the real crux, I think, and really the one of main reasons I started wanting full info-reveals.
The pless kill doesn't make much sense in light of all these PRs.. . but there it is.

I think it is because they think they can get him lynched, no?
Which brings me back to benmage. He was all up on Kise until 2183.. then he drops it entirely. Is that Ben-scum planning on a Kise myslynch later on? It is hard for me to make that work. It would be a big turnaround for him.
Shit.

On a different note: me and Jason?
How many times have I asked you to vig Jason?
I would quicklynch him right now.
and I know, I KNOW that I would certainly buss that hard... but really?

On that note- I actually propose we lynch Jason.
I know I have had a townread on him based on Day 1.. but look:

- play. Town Vig. Un-cc'd
- maybe scum.. but as above- why is Shaft alive?
- town read on EARLY play.. total shit since then. Maybe sleeper !
- obv.
- Also . The claim consistent with POLICE. Daytalk enabler.. radio operator or something... lets the Cops talk with each other while also keeping a line into the back of the NEIGHBORHOOD.
Why a 1-shot bodyguard? Because he would take a bullet for a fellow cop (someone with a better PR?).. at the expense of losing communications.
- on play AND claim
- on claim, if not on play.

Hm.
Kind of stream of consciousness.. but I am thinking Scum in DV and Jason now.
And I am more willing to let DV ride than Jason, of the two.
The scum need to narrow down the PR pool sooner or later, so I am inclined to stick with vanilla claims.

↑ camn wrote:radio operator or something

wait wait wait


back the truck up



where does this come from?

come on camn, get back here and post

what's a radio operator?

DV NEVER CLAIMED ANYTHING LIKE THAT


AND THERE'S NEVER BEEN A ROLE CALLED RADIO OPERATOR ON THE SITE


holy fuck, did you just out DV?

↑ kuribo wrote:come on camn, get back here and post

what's a radio operator?

DV NEVER CLAIMED ANYTHING LIKE THAT


AND THERE'S NEVER BEEN A ROLE CALLED RADIO OPERATOR ON THE SITE


holy fuck, did you just out DV?

Don't see how, can you explain how? Not tooo bothered about a role not seen before, its a theme not a normal.

↑ Cerulean wrote:

↑ Cerulean wrote:Still on phone. Grrr.

Camn - serious question. Are you reading the game?

Ben - why did you use the can't read inexperience well excuse for absta when you played with a scum absta in 20th century?

Ben

Because I can't read inexperienced... It's my one flaw.. that's why I hate inexperienced players and have never IC'd..duh?? As for 20th century I didn't remember him from there. I haven't looked back at it.. but I doubt it would have mattered much anyways with his alignment??? Does it?

Also FUCK U ALL ... I proposed tonights.. mewahahahhah thats why I am in South Africa, and she said YESSS!!!!! (im a little tipsy)

Sorry, kuribo- I was on a plane.
I'm not talking about a role... but about Flavor justification for the role of 'daytalk enabler'.
What kind of person makes it so that Police can communicate? A radio Guy. Maybe a cellphone salesman? A communications expert.
Like maybe the skinny white Guy, Prezblewski....sitting in the dark, listening to the phones.

On the other hand... what kind of BARKSDALE GANGSTER makes it so that police can communicate privately all the time? WALLACE? THE RAT? How does that even make sense?

In fact.... it really, really doesn't make sense.

DV! Explain your flavor, will you? How does Wallace keep the police's lines of communication open?

The only thing that relates is ratting.

↑ Benmage wrote:

↑ Cerulean wrote:

↑ Cerulean wrote:Still on phone. Grrr.

Camn - serious question. Are you reading the game?

Ben - why did you use the can't read inexperience well excuse for absta when you played with a scum absta in 20th century?

Ben

Because I can't read inexperienced... It's my one flaw.. that's why I hate inexperienced players and have never IC'd..duh?? As for 20th century I didn't remember him from there. I haven't looked back at it.. but I doubt it would have mattered much anyways with his alignment??? Does it?

First off...congratulations.

Next, yes, it matters. You had no problem pushing a scum read on petapan, who incidentally has a start date that is later than absta's, and has about the same number of posts. He says he's lost, you call that lying scum. Absta says he's lost, you say you can't read that because you have trouble reading the inexperienced. But, with absta, you just finished a game in which he was scum just two months before this game started. So, you giving absta a pass because he's "inexperienced" doesn't make sense when you've played in a game in which he won as scum.

↑ Shaft wrote:

↑ kuribo wrote:That DV quote is blatantly out of context. Even I can see that and I'm an idiot.

I'm still a bit confused about what DV meant tho. An explanation would be helpful from him.

Pless was accusing him of making up his role. He was defending himself about it, and being sarcastic.

↑ camn wrote:In fact.... it really, really doesn't make sense.

DV! Explain your flavor, will you? How does Wallace keep the police's lines of communication open?

The thing that I keep coming back to is why claim that? If he were scum, why claim that aspect of his role, which is traditionally considered a scum role? Why not just claim Bodyguard. He get a lot less flack for it, which is what he would want if he were scum.

Empire will give why we think he's town tomorrow when he can sit down and explain it.

↑ Cerulean wrote:

↑ Shaft wrote:

↑ kuribo wrote:That DV quote is blatantly out of context. Even I can see that and I'm an idiot.

I'm still a bit confused about what DV meant tho. An explanation would be helpful from him.

Pless was accusing him of making up his role. He was defending himself about it, and being sarcastic.

Oh yeah sorry, this was it.

Okay so assuming shaft is town, which is a big assumption, the motivation to leave him alive is the hope that he'll protect scum from the vig? I don't really believe this though as I think the risk outweigh the rewards.

Both Empire and I like Camn's responses and stuff today. We've basically had a town read on her the whole game, besides paranoia here and there. I'll try not to do another 180 on that tomorrow.

We think that Jason is really good way to go today though.

You can't hate a girl for glazing over a little when a game hits 100 pages.....

Regarding DV- I can see him wanting to float the daytalk thing for the neighborhood for keep-me-alive cred....and maybe the daytalk for cops as an excuse later for avoiding the nightkill?

So are you also saying that I'm making it up?

↑ Cerulean wrote:

↑ Benmage wrote:

↑ Cerulean wrote:

↑ Cerulean wrote:Still on phone. Grrr.

Camn - serious question. Are you reading the game?

Ben - why did you use the can't read inexperience well excuse for absta when you played with a scum absta in 20th century?

Ben

Because I can't read inexperienced... It's my one flaw.. that's why I hate inexperienced players and have never IC'd..duh?? As for 20th century I didn't remember him from there. I haven't looked back at it.. but I doubt it would have mattered much anyways with his alignment??? Does it?

First off...congratulations.

Next, yes, it matters. You had no problem pushing a scum read on petapan, who incidentally has a start date that is later than absta's, and has about the same number of posts. He says he's lost, you call that lying scum. Absta says he's lost, you say you can't read that because you have trouble reading the inexperienced. But, with absta, you just finished a game in which he was scum just two months before this game started. So, you giving absta a pass because he's "inexperienced" doesn't make sense when you've played in a game in which he won as scum.

TY.

Obviously it is a little tough to recall from the beginning of the game. But clearly petapan was a much more active player so he was in my mind a lot more. When I looked up petapan's games it was a spurr of the moment thing because I probably had excess freetime... Do I really need to find quotes of me calling people inexperienced and not checking their post history? Come now, It is a common theme for me. And again, it was D1.. one can only have so many tangents... abstas was a non entity, I'm sure everyone outside of camn could be accused of distancing abstas.

↑ Cerulean wrote:

↑ Shaft wrote:

↑ kuribo wrote:That DV quote is blatantly out of context. Even I can see that and I'm an idiot.

I'm still a bit confused about what DV meant tho. An explanation would be helpful from him.

Pless was accusing him of making up his role. He was defending himself about it, and being sarcastic.

And Plessie was NK'd. He wasn't steamrolling DV, but given whats left, DV having to goto endgame, his claim, Plessie already having suspicions of him + Being pretty damn pro-town all game.

Kuribo you GASP! This is who I'd NK.... Who would DV NK if he was scum. Point.

It also makes sense from scum with not-me, as I'm generally a good person to leave alive, and there was a reasonable chance of me BGing Cerulean.

Congrats Ben.

How soon did DV claim in the QT to be daytalk enabler?