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In post 2982, Seanald wrote:

In post 2966, morph the cat wrote:

In post 2950, Seanald wrote:Bid $38 on market analyst (lost)

You should have a percentage of this left over.

no, that nly happens on RED lighted bids

What does this mean?

In post 3022, KingdomAces wrote:Do you really think that he wouldn't know how much money he currently has if he was town? That's seems like something too easy for anyone to mess up.

Do you really think he wouldn't make extra sure he had his numbers right if he were scum?

He might have forgotten the numbers were different as scum.

even if the numbers weren't right, he'd probably double-check everything as scum before claiming it.

he got the numbers right, though. sorta

-5, -25 n0 = 70
+14 end of n0 = 84
+50 d1 = 134
-14, -120 n1 = 0
+108 end of n1 = 108
+75 d2 = 183
-25, -40, -38, -80 n2 = 0 <- everything is right to this point, if we assume he derped and left out...

+12, +34 end of n2 = 48 (which he corrected eventually)

*shrug*

In post 3027, Espeonage wrote:He might have forgotten the numbers were different as scum.

This is really flimsy. You, pieguy, KA and morph are jumping all over this like he claimed to have won nightkill or deadline n0. All of the gaps in his money claims have been explained; why are you still jumping on this?

I'm not. tbh, I started thinking he was town shortly after morph started going nuts.

Whoa. That was a quick flashwagon.

Seanlad is in the plan, who do we replace him with?

I'm active all day, so I can hammer whenever needed, but I wanna ask that question first.

Seanald is wayyyyyyyy scummier than Voided, lol.

I dunno, Morph posted an amended plan. I personally don't like it though.

Then again, I have a twingy feeling every single one of my strong reads is wrong.

In post 2694, Garuda wrote:In general, I like the fact that Natirasha was putting Sakura Hana at the forefront of their hydra on D1. Natirasha seems like a stronger scum player than Sakura, especially given the roster, so I feel as though they'd have taken the opposite approach as scum.

I don't agree with this. I vaguely remember a game where Hana won it in lylo and everyone was like "yay you did good" I'll try to look for said game.

In post 2711, KingdomAces wrote:D1 Nero spent the entire time calling Hana scum for sheeping Nacho. I agree that she shouldn't have been doing that but it was pointed out several times by several people that it was completely null, yet he continued to press it. The other points (contradicting themselves, saying that Eagle is good enough to fake a townslip as scum.) were just as weak, since self-contradiction is only an indication that someone isn't sure of something, and... I just don't understand how the latter is scummy at all. D2, the entire day for him was arguing that Mhork didn't make him appear. Honestly, that entire thing was ridiculous, as well as completely null and I don't know why anyone let it continue as long as it did.

Doing D3 later. From the first two days though, it seemed like all he ever did was pressure people for doing things that were wrong, even though they weren't actually scummy. That's the easiest way to fake content as scum, and the fact that he hasn't really done all that much else on those days makes me lean scum on him. I'll finish this tomorrow.

dat echo. This is pretty much what Muffin and Mhork have been saying about me. Though Hana/Nat saying that LB is good enough to fake townslip as scum is nothing more than a "hey suspect this guy" type of post wich I think comes from scum a lot.

In post 2716, pieguyn wrote:

In post 2712, ProHawk wrote:Too much scum-benefit in sheeping to be null.

Sakura has told me she always sheeps Nacho on D1. that makes this a Sakura tell, not a scum-tell.

I don't care what anyone says, blindly sheeping is anti-town. So how do we tell the difference between anti-town Hana and scum Hana?

In post 2747, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:

In post 2663, Nero Cain wrote:To be honest guys, I think I'm on borrowed time here. I fully expect to be mislynched/shoot before lylo [though I shouldn't since I'm town] but my money + voice + vote is useful and IMM it makes no sense whatever to get rid of those things but w/e.

who says this?

me?

In post 3026, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Do you really think he wouldn't make extra sure he had his numbers right if he were scum?

You are the one saying that Seanald's an idiot. Screwing up fake numbers is far easier than screwing up real ones. Not to mention that scumSeanald would have a lot less motivation than townSeanald because of what happened last game.

In post 3034, Nero Cain wrote: dat echo. This is pretty much what Muffin and Mhork have been saying about me. Though Hana/Nat saying that LB is good enough to fake townslip as scum is nothing more than a "hey suspect this guy" type of post wich I think comes from scum a lot.

If that's what Muffin/Mhork were saying, then I haven't read them as much as I thought I did. In that case though, why are you still pushing it if that has been said already? I think that this is the first time you've said that about Hara's post though. Why didn't you mention it sooner?

KA wrote:In that case though, why are you still pushing it if that has been said already?

the million-dollar question

anyway, i'm going to sleep and prob won't be around again til deadline. someone else can hammer, i guess

In post 2769, Lord Mhork wrote:Nero: While he's scummy and OMGUSish and abrasive and stuff, she thinks this looks more like his town game. She is, however, all over the place here. She says that the only time he was this jerky with regard to her was when he was town. She then recalls a time when he was slacking and she called him out for it and he got apologetic and said that he would do it. She thought his response this time was just weird for scum. However she thinks that he should go before LyLo because, if he's town, he'd be an easy mislynch

Meh. I'm not really the mislynch bait that I was a two years ago. I usually get wagoned in a game though but I haven't been mislynched in a few games now. Though if I do my job correctly there won't be an lylo but there's usually a massive amount of suspicion which would only fuck town over in lylo. We'll talk about my lynch in the next few days.

In post 2775, Ghostly Penguin wrote:

As my partner pointed out to me, Nero wasn't even Nero that game, but Smegol.

And yet, he's using it as hard and fast evidence of Muffin forgetting for being scum. That's some pretty hot mafia yoga, kids. It reads like stretching to make a move, and lacks sincerity. You know, I no longer vote 'because, gut' votes. Why? Generally the person making them is fucking honest. They probably honestly dislike the person for reasons they can't vocalize. Nero's vote was more of a move to find reasons, which is not a Town tactic in motivation.

It was actually Gollum but you are making it sound like its a private hydra and its not. In that specific game I helped get scumMonkey lynched 'cause he "forgot" that I was a Nero Cain alt. What's the difference between Monkey forgetting and Muffin forgetting?

What do you think of all the players that think you are fake raging?

In post 2789, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 2690, Nero Cain wrote:Ah yes. Another line from the mislynch Nero playbook. Do you know that I'm accused of overreacting like every game? Sean, town or scum, is correct that I get this kind of flak every game. Considering that you do have experience with me as scum (you were my mod) I'm rather surprised that you'd "scum read" me.

Anyways, I don't really put much into meta and deal with things in the game as they happen, unless I feel the meta argument is compelling enough to be worth listening to, or I trust the arguer's usage of meta enough.

However, as meta as that may be, that doesn't excuse what you did.

And what did I do? So I "overacted". Its null 'cause both alignments do it. Its prob a towntell for me 'cause mislynching town is SRSLY anti-town and I know that I do get targeted a lot by scum. Its been so long that I don't even know how I play as scum.

Also not a big fan of the bolded. Its just giving yourself the flexibility to use meta when you want.

In post 2690, Nero Cain wrote:ok. So who, if anyone, tried to detrail the DP wagon?

That, I don't know yet. That hasn't been my highest priority of late.

Well why not? Is he your scumbuddy or something?

In post 2769, Lord Mhork wrote:Nero: While he's scummy and OMGUSish and abrasive and stuff, she thinks this looks more like his town game. She is, however, all over the place here. She says that the only time he was this jerky with regard to her was when he was town. She then recalls a time when he was slacking and she called him out for it and he got apologetic and said that he would do it. She thought his response this time was just weird for scum. However she thinks that he should go before LyLo because, if he's town, he'd be an easy mislynch

Meh. I'm not really the mislynch bait that I was a two years ago. I usually get wagoned in a game though but I haven't been mislynched in a few games now. Though if I do my job correctly there won't be an lylo but there's usually a massive amount of suspicion which would only fuck town over in lylo. We'll talk about my lynch in the next few days.

In post 2775, Ghostly Penguin wrote:

As my partner pointed out to me, Nero wasn't even Nero that game, but Smegol.

And yet, he's using it as hard and fast evidence of Muffin forgetting for being scum. That's some pretty hot mafia yoga, kids. It reads like stretching to make a move, and lacks sincerity. You know, I no longer vote 'because, gut' votes. Why? Generally the person making them is fucking honest. They probably honestly dislike the person for reasons they can't vocalize. Nero's vote was more of a move to find reasons, which is not a Town tactic in motivation.

It was actually Gollum but you are making it sound like its a private hydra and its not. In that specific game I helped get scumMonkey lynched 'cause he "forgot" that I was a Nero Cain alt. What's the difference between Monkey forgetting and Muffin forgetting?

What do you think of all the players that think you are fake raging?

In post 2789, Voidedmafia wrote:

In post 2690, Nero Cain wrote:Ah yes. Another line from the mislynch Nero playbook. Do you know that I'm accused of overreacting like every game? Sean, town or scum, is correct that I get this kind of flak every game. Considering that you do have experience with me as scum (you were my mod) I'm rather surprised that you'd "scum read" me.

Anyways, I don't really put much into meta and deal with things in the game as they happen, unless I feel the meta argument is compelling enough to be worth listening to, or I trust the arguer's usage of meta enough.

However, as meta as that may be, that doesn't excuse what you did.

And what did I do? So I "overacted". Its null 'cause both alignments do it. Its prob a towntell for me 'cause mislynching town is SRSLY anti-town and I know that I do get targeted a lot by scum. Its been so long that I don't even know how I play as scum.

Also not a big fan of the bolded. Its just giving yourself the flexibility to use meta when you want.

In post 2690, Nero Cain wrote:ok. So who, if anyone, tried to detrail the DP wagon?

That, I don't know yet. That hasn't been my highest priority of late.

Well why not? Is he your scumbuddy or something?

Also I'm going to take a quick break. Is that ok with you Muffin?

People voting Seanald (9): PeregrineV, Espeonage, KingdomAces, Ghostly Penguin, pieguyn, Lord Mhork, morph the cat, Harakiri, ProHawk [L-1]
People not voting Seanald (9): 1baldeagle1, uʍop ǝpısdn, Nero Cain, Seanald, BBmolla, zMuffinMan, VoidedMafia, Lost Butterfly, Garuda

3h45 till deadline guys.

~Sakura Hana

Explain the Sean case in your own words Hana.

Explain the Sean case in your own words Hana.

Smeagol, Gollum, blergh. Sorry about that.

I realize that your Gollum alt wasn't secret, but I can also see where someone wouldn't remember it as clearly.

Ghostlin can comment himself if he gets back in here before deadline, but I'd say that I understand that people view his town play as easily faked by scum. For what it's worth, he's not faking, and I have yet to see him fake it, but I can't quibble with people who want us to play a better town game before accepting that read.

--PA

In post 3032, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Seanald is wayyyyyyyy scummier than Voided, lol.

3 to 99.

I feel uncomfortable with the Seanald wagon suddenly becoming a thing when it's beeen NOT a thing for 2 weeks.

I think his money adds up and while Austerity measures is stupid and a dick move, his money still adds up.

In post 2907, Seanald wrote:might want to rethink this flash wagon guys

If only because I don't understand why we're going for Seanald--

In post 2916, Seanald wrote:welp, thanks for the flash wagon guys. I activated austerity measures because of the wagon, so it canceled out your thingy which is pretty funny.

...never mind. Full Speed Ahead.

In post 2908, morph the cat wrote:*plan*

Question: Why isn't Garuda on there again?

In post 2913, morph the cat wrote:And we like the company here much better than voided!

So you didn't like who was wagoning me?

In post 2922, morph the cat wrote:If by chance you're not scum then that was the stupidest fucking move I've ever seen.

This so much.

Nice move, morph.

In post 2924, Seanald wrote:yes i did, i was being flash wagoned, I didnt hav etime to say hey. get off my wagon its a mistake, if you keep going ill blow austerity measures. woulda just flashed me even faster.

...Yes you did, you dolt. You said "Lynching me is a mistake" before Morph posted the revised plan. It doesn't take that long to add "if you continue I'll use austerity!"

In post 2931, morph the cat wrote:Okay then. Two more votes needed guys.

If he isn't lynched by the time I reach page 122/123, I'll use my EV (or just my regular vote) to secure it.

In post 2939, Seanald wrote:it is stupidity I promise. seriously sorry lol, don't give me a list of different and cool abilities I'll do random shit with it that usually ends up not making sense.

So here's a better idea: DOn't bid on anything.

What a novel concept, eh? It's an amazing thought!

In post 2943, Seanald wrote:Scum:
Voided

When did this happen, anyways? You didn't have a scumread on me until recently, and I don't get what changed.

Though, really, I don't remember why you're scumreading those people, anyways.

In post 2953, Magua wrote:Event: Federal Reserve Chairman was activated. At the beginning of Night 3, everyone will gain $100.

Event: Austerity Measures was activated. At the beginning of Night 3, everyone will lose $100.

...Aww.

In post 2957, morph the cat wrote:Sweet we got ours in first. Meaning no net loss. Phew.

Yeah, that's good. I give you townpoints for the damage control, though it's not a full solid read because scum opposite Seanald have the same incentive to avoid that kind of money loss (even if it may not be as harmful). It's less than town, hence why there are townpoints awarded and it's not a null thing, but it's enough that I can't put you at solid/strong town.

In post 2971, pieguyn wrote:yeah that's a more basic explanation

hahahahaha

Your math is correct, I think, though.

But yes, I agree with Morph in the post above you.

In post 2986, Seanald wrote:lol scum are much more damn careful than that.

Not always, lol.

Keep getting caught, though.

In post 2999, morph the cat wrote:Does one need an argument to scumread somebody?

One needs a , at least.

In post 3032, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Seanald is wayyyyyyyy scummier than Voided, lol.

Wow, someone's actually scummier than me?!

Shock and surprise!

In post 3037, Nero Cain wrote:And what did I do? So I "overacted". Its null 'cause both alignments do it.

There's enough of a difference between overreacting and immediately jumping to the worst-case scenario in that situation, and there was very little stated reason to believe the latter was there, and the fact that you jumped to the latter first doesn't speak to me as town overreacting.

In post 3037, Nero Cain wrote:Also not a big fan of the bolded. Its just giving yourself the flexibility to use meta when you want.

I don't really like meta, and I don't really know how to use extensive meta cases. It's not as bad as you're making it out to be.

In post 3037, Nero Cain wrote:Well why not? Is he your scumbuddy or something?

So the first thing you jump to is I'm his scumbuddy? Occam's simply doesn't cut that way, Nero.

In post 3045, PeregrineV wrote:Unvote.

Vote: Voided

So...why me and not Nero?

Again, I can use EV to hammer Seanald right now (or just to use it up, either/or).

In post 3045, PeregrineV wrote:I feel uncomfortable with the Seanald wagon suddenly becoming a thing when it's beeen NOT a thing for 2 weeks.

It should have been a thing though. I am fine with either Seanald or Voided, but would like to see one of them flip before we run out of time.

In post 3045, PeregrineV wrote:I feel uncomfortable with the Seanald wagon suddenly becoming a thing when it's beeen NOT a thing for 2 weeks.

Also, it kinda HAS been a thing (as far as potential goes), but Nero and I have been the bigger focus.