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Subject: Detective Penguin & City of Fogport [Night 2]

Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:

In post 935, Fish Monger wrote:I dont know why people are drifting off of Pops, and I still hold Marquis as a TR

For me, it's specifically because Marquis is voting there (although I do have a "lowkey" remark they might be scum together).

Hot-take: Speaking of remarks, I have at 3 different points made remarks (in my Word file) that Chandra may be scum with pops. One was lowkey, two were strong enough. Don't ask for details, but Chandra coming out to defend pops whenever I talk directly to her (pops) is weird, and I don't think they're like Masons together.

Ammendment:: pops is TOWN. Marquis is NOT.

Check VC 1.3
chanmfra's voting Fish over Marquis (Marquis role is much more valuable) and Fish himself is voting pops over his own counterwagon. Marquis is voting pops too.

Also Marquis said it was safe for Hiders to target him. He KNOWS They'd be vanilized (and RB'd) so if there's anyway someone in your hood can be killed the Hider will be a sitting duck from then on.

Now check Fish Monger's defence of Marquis in every single chance he could and tell me why scum!Fish would do that to Town!Marquis. Like from the very start when pops voted Marquis for claiming Miller. 3-4 time more if you ISO Monger. Oh, and chandra too. Check 975 for instance. Remember this is the hood that cannot be targeted with a Vig shot for starters, and it cannot be investifated or Tracjed either. It could be Watched (since Watcher doesn't actually target the visitor) but then Fish was the SCUM WATCHER (according to chandra). There is a whole lot more but I'm not that good at making cases, so DO SOME WORK OF YOUR OWN.

Note: On D2, chandra made note of Fish Monger's early defence of Marquis and she gave <arquis town points for it (!) (See 2307)

Finally, Marquis claims his role "is confirmed town upon certain conditions", yet we've had 2 cycles already and he has yet to mett these conditions. How much longer do we have to wait for this to happen?

Note: Oh, also check his first readlist. The one where he had 4 reads (I think it was post #80??). He put PP atop (almost a pocket ,ove, don't you think? I mean, just in case there is a way to bypass the reflecive Roleblock thing.) then he had the 2 flipped scums as his only other TRs. WAIT. It's not just a case of bad reads. It's that he puct chandra above Fish Monger there, when he has been explicitly TRing Fish Monger and "finding himself disagreeing with a lot of chandra's views" and even called her "not town" before that.

I'll admit I had doubts along the way. The strongest of which was 1225 which doesn't sound like something one scum says to a pertner. SO if you really think that pitweighs everything else then don't vote Marquis.

Yet another edit: Marquis behaviour around the Pelican lynch was weird. It felt like he already knew for a fact Pelican was flipping Town. Scum wanted Pelican around to shoot FL and FL shoot him back. Problem solved for scum. I know both flipped scum voted him eventually, but that was when it looked like there's no way that lynch isn't going through )and after Pelican hismelf said to look for scum in those who defended him).