Smoke-Filled Antechamber [Endgame]

[fferyllt]

i think we should just ignore DS at this point and put him in the crazy bucket

I need promises that he doesn't make it past day 4.

[Cabd]

i think we should just ignore DS at this point and put him in the crazy bucket

I need promises that he doesn't make it past day 4.

Assuming non-crazy kills world, at least one of you, me, alisae, or tammy will be around to enforce that.

You can deputize jake too!

[Nahdia]

Well for starters I'd argue that both only becoming active when all of the conftown came out is scum indicative in itself
Both have been essentially attacking and trying to discredit the other people in the not-conftown pool who suspect them when it should be pretty obvious to both of them why they are suspected

uh, why is that first thing scum indicative? all the conftown coming out narrowed the pool significantly, making it easier to get a footing in this game. if anything, i would say disappearing when all the conftown appear is scummier, since you would imagine scum could get discouraged when that happens.

as for the second thing i disagree with the characterization. particularly considering my only major discredit here is DS?

[Alisae]

ya lets make Jake do it
I'm sure he'll be able to get it done KEKW

[Cabd]

ya lets make Jake do it
I'm sure he'll be able to get it done KEKW

The alternative is chuck-e-cheese?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think a bullet from cabd would be poetic justice

[Alisae]

I honestly don't see a world where Bell is town in this game honestly

[Alisae]

And I also think if Bell is scum, Peta is very likely going to be their buddy

[Cabd]

I honestly don't see a world where Bell is town in this game honestly

Hi-five!

[Alisae]

I honestly don't see a world where Bell is town in this game honestly

Hi-five!

down low

[fferyllt]

I'm not blocking the doorway anymore.

[Tammy]

Cakez - for peta, I kinda liked his announcing suspicion on me, or voicing the not-town feeling he has, when he had it. I think unless you’re a tone reader, I’d probably be somewhat hard to read at that time this game. I also think that unless you’ve seen the issues with my scum game, I might be hard to read early, and though we didn’t play a lot together years ago so he doesn’t remember how I play if he did it would seem weird as I use to be more aggressive overall but also in the early game.

So I actually started townreading him there for that.

It is not very strong or even really a read because I don’t feel confident in that right at this moment but it was where I was coming into this day phase.

[SirCakez]

It's a copy-pasta.

It's a cabd classic, actually.

Your posting advocates a

( ) rational (X) mod-meta (X) theory-based ( ) random

approach to solving the setup. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which vary from setup to setup.)

(X) Your solve requires scum that all decided to gamethrow
(X) A counterclaim would have occurred already
(X) It fails to take into account mod experimentation
( ) The mod has done this kind of thing in the past
( ) The mod has explicitly disavowed a part of your solution in public before
(X) Your solve would require mod lies despite the "no" reply in the Queue questionnaire
( ) It would no longer be an actual game of Mafia
( ) This would require site functionality that does not exist
( ) Town would have to intentionally play poorly to win
( ) Scum could autowin
( ) Town could autowin
( ) Existing flips disprove your hypothesis
( ) Massclaim would break this setup outright
( ) Massclaim would cause a scum auto win


Specifically, your plan fails to account for

(X) Players will play to win the game as their given alignment
( ) The mod takes pride and honor in their setups
( ) Modkills would prevent this
(X) Multiple players would have to gamethrow simultaniously

and the following objections may also apply:

(X) 2020 Meta makes this unlikely
( ) Any setup that encourages players to not use any of their abilities sucks
(X) Moderation lies suck
(X) moderation half-truths suck
(X) Towns that get lucky day one can break even a well-designed setup
( ) Scum factions that get lucky day one can break even a well-designed setup
(X) Wanting something to not be true does not make it false.


Furthermore, this is what I think about you:

(X) Sorry dude, but I don't think it works.
( ) This is a stupid solve, and you're a bad person for suggesting it.
( ) Nice try, assh0le! I'm going to find out where you live and burn your
house down!

this is such an excessive response for something so obviously wrong lol

He's meme-ing. It's probably less than 5 minutes worth of modifying a template.

I KNEW THAT
DEFINITELY JUST MESSING WITH YOU GUYS

[Tammy]

And I also think if Bell is scum, Peta is very likely going to be their buddy

I’ve been trying to make sense of bells interactions with peta and where I want to put that.

Bell claims he’s explosive when someone votes him, but when peta voted him his response was a very limpwristed omgus vote, and then today when peta had him in his Poe, bell wanted to know why as if yesterday didn’t happen.

But yeah my mind will be blown if bell is town this game.

[Alisae]

@Cabd does Peta and Bells interactions with each other read as theater to you?

[SirCakez]

Well for starters I'd argue that both only becoming active when all of the conftown came out is scum indicative in itself
Both have been essentially attacking and trying to discredit the other people in the not-conftown pool who suspect them when it should be pretty obvious to both of them why they are suspected

uh, why is that first thing scum indicative? all the conftown coming out narrowed the pool significantly, making it easier to get a footing in this game. if anything, i would say disappearing when all the conftown appear is scummier, since you would imagine scum could get discouraged when that happens.

as for the second thing i disagree with the characterization. particularly considering my only major discredit here is DS?

I highly disagree. Disappearing when the conftown outed would be akin to a death sentence because everyone will just POE you. Lurking only works for scum when there's other scummier, active people. I don't really think it "made getting a footing" easier. It actually made it harder for me because I have to engage 100% of the game but only scumhunt within half of it.
I will concede the discrediting is moreso Bulge

[Alisae]

I actually think {Bell, Gamma, Peta} as a team makes a lot of sense and I feel like they all have very similar reads to each other

[SirCakez]

Cakez - for peta, I kinda liked his announcing suspicion on me, or voicing the not-town feeling he has, when he had it. I think unless you’re a tone reader, I’d probably be somewhat hard to read at that time this game. I also think that unless you’ve seen the issues with my scum game, I might be hard to read early, and though we didn’t play a lot together years ago so he doesn’t remember how I play if he did it would seem weird as I use to be more aggressive overall but also in the early game.

So I actually started townreading him there for that.

It is not very strong or even really a read because I don’t feel confident in that right at this moment but it was where I was coming into this day phase.

ok I see
he's definitely someone I'd go reexamine depending on flips of other people in the pool

[Bell]

Hi there.

[Alisae]

this is my kill order atm I think
Bell -> Gamma -> Peta -> Cakez -> Diamond/Midway -> Bulge -> Nahdia

[SirCakez]

VOTE: Bell

[midwaybear]

Well, I don't get why Bell is being scumread so much, but I have no objections to hanging him today either.
I will say I'm thinking Cakez is a bit more town now hm.

[SirCakez]

Alisae pls talk about town Bulge/Nahdia now that I have talked about my SRs on them

[Alisae]

this is my kill order atm I think
Bell -> Gamma -> Peta -> Cakez -> Midway -> Diamond -> Bulge -> Nahdia

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[Alisae]

Alisae pls talk about town Bulge/Nahdia now that I have talked about my SRs on them

their contributions are good