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Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:13 pm
by REAGAN BUSH 84
3020 is fair l4pe. I honestly shouldn't be engaging with Noraa either at this point while I'm at it.

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:13 pm
by L4pe
In post 3019, midwaybear wrote:
In post 3010, L4pe wrote:feels too little considering the fact that i still remember hes in the game :p
Do you normally make a lot a lot of filler posts then? I'm not seeing the purpose behind you saying that.
on occasion yes

In post 3018, Cabd wrote:
In post 3016, Cobra Kai wrote:Noraa you have zero chance of getting my head on a pike this game.
It's actually so low a number that representing it might cause buffer overflow!
underflow*

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:13 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 3020, L4pe wrote:
In post 3015, REAGAN BUSH 84 wrote:
In post 3000, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2994, REAGAN BUSH 84 wrote:I mean I guess it'd take them reversing their class claims completely, which is stupid to begin with, but 2-3 doing it is completely plausible, as are them being on a Day 1 wagon.

This easily gives multiple guilties in a single night lol
Mafia are unlikely to fakeclaim driver when they're really a blade, and vice versa.

This is
already confirmable
if a town driver targets a scum blade fakeclaiming driver. Note that there is no option to select
nobody
when asked to pair up,
you have to pick one of the drivers, or it selects automatically


This is something that already exists in the game without the role claim.
You're not wrong, and all 5 would be truly stupid, but given the existence of Driver/Blades and depending on how useful scum pairings are there are plausible incentives for a few to selectively fakeclaim.
i feel like discussing this situation is kind of stupid and i do wish you guys could focus on something more productive

i think youre both towny so this is a pointless argument
I'm not arguing that reagan is scum, so it's not a pointless argument

I'm arguing that noraa is town

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:15 pm
by Firebringer
lowkey cabd r u cheating?

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:15 pm
by L4pe
In post 3027, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3020, L4pe wrote:
In post 3015, REAGAN BUSH 84 wrote:
In post 3000, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 2994, REAGAN BUSH 84 wrote:I mean I guess it'd take them reversing their class claims completely, which is stupid to begin with, but 2-3 doing it is completely plausible, as are them being on a Day 1 wagon.

This easily gives multiple guilties in a single night lol
Mafia are unlikely to fakeclaim driver when they're really a blade, and vice versa.

This is
already confirmable
if a town driver targets a scum blade fakeclaiming driver. Note that there is no option to select
nobody
when asked to pair up,
you have to pick one of the drivers, or it selects automatically


This is something that already exists in the game without the role claim.
You're not wrong, and all 5 would be truly stupid, but given the existence of Driver/Blades and depending on how useful scum pairings are there are plausible incentives for a few to selectively fakeclaim.
i feel like discussing this situation is kind of stupid and i do wish you guys could focus on something more productive

i think youre both towny so this is a pointless argument
I'm not arguing that reagan is scum, so it's not a pointless argument

I'm arguing that noraa is town
my bad, i thought you were arguing the earth was flat

its obvious youre not going to agree on whether this role is town or scum aligned so why not let the flip decide

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:15 pm
by Noraa
In post 3000, Dunnstral wrote:Mafia are unlikely to fakeclaim driver when they're really a blade, and vice versa.
disagree actually. I remember someone on day 1 was saying there were too many blade claims. That'd be a reason to claim driver from a scum stand point. Cuz its basically the equivalent of "if there's too much town power, all the vt claims have to be true" in a normal game.

President's argument that my role itself is scummy is stupid considering scum have fake claims so that would mean there's like no way to tell whether or not a person is scum by the claim ig?

It's a decent argument cuz its true it could potentially out multiple scum on day 1 but at the same time, most people only softed their claims on day 1, never full claimed. And there could be all sorts of weird shit like informed goons or something.

Idk if this makes sense but I feel like that was a TMI slip from Presidents.

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:15 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
You own my vote Cabd, so wherever you want it.

Also, Maria is town.

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:15 pm
by Firebringer
also lld and maria are town.

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:16 pm
by Firebringer
but i think my opinions here are worthless. just shouting into a void.

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:16 pm
by Lady Lambdadelta
In post 3028, Firebringer wrote:lowkey cabd r u cheating?
I know you're joking but there is a history to this kind of comment wrt a bad person and using it to hurt cabd so maybe not that joke on this person please, thanks FB

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:16 pm
by Noraa
In post 3007, Cabd wrote:I'm actually just a blade with a semi-useless set of roles.
I mean, I can confirm this is true.

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:16 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 3029, L4pe wrote:its obvious youre not going to agree on whether this role is town or scum aligned so why not let the flip decide
Uh... why are you trying to shut me down? I'm arguing against eliminating noraa today

Why is it "obvious" that I won't agree?

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:16 pm
by Brian Skies
Also, MWNN originally claimed driver, then joked around that he was lying before crumbing blade later on in the game.

This claim from Noraa does nothing for me.

I also don't like that she thinks she is supposed to be town just for claiming PR.

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:16 pm
by REAGAN BUSH 84
Mmmm that's worth responding to for Dunnstral, I think your specific counterpoint undermines my doomsday one and reins it in a bit, but it doesn't change the fact that this seems like a scum counterbalance and very overpowered in the hands of town. Even if it's not a 2/3 guilty machine it still carries the potential and 1 is not unexpected at all.

I was already hardscumreading Noraa beforehand so even though I'm normally a very slow burn player, and still haven't voted personally, part of me really wouldn't mind seeing us speedrun the day.

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:17 pm
by Cobra Kai
Cabd what do you think of Reagan’s treatment of me this day so far

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:17 pm
by Cabd
In post 3028, Firebringer wrote:lowkey cabd r u cheating?
What the actual fuck is wrong with you?

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:17 pm
by L4pe
In post 3030, Noraa wrote:
In post 3000, Dunnstral wrote:Mafia are unlikely to fakeclaim driver when they're really a blade, and vice versa.
disagree actually. I remember someone on day 1 was saying there were too many blade claims. That'd be a reason to claim driver from a scum stand point. Cuz its basically the equivalent of "if there's too much town power, all the vt claims have to be true" in a normal game.

President's argument that my role itself is scummy is stupid considering scum have fake claims so that would mean there's like no way to tell whether or not a person is scum by the claim ig?

It's a decent argument cuz its true it could potentially out multiple scum on day 1 but at the same time, most people only softed their claims on day 1, never full claimed. And there could be all sorts of weird shit like informed goons or something.

Idk if this makes sense but I feel like that was a TMI slip from Presidents.
hey important note

this post really made me realize something but i want far more pressure on noraa to confirm it

can we please ramp up the noraa votes

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:17 pm
by Firebringer
In post 3040, Cabd wrote:
In post 3028, Firebringer wrote:lowkey cabd r u cheating?
What the actual fuck is wrong with you?
Not much, hbu

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:17 pm
by midwaybear
Really curious who this driver was...already have some suspicions
I am seeing some of Dunnstral's points about town flailing. Not completely sure though.

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:18 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 3037, Brian Skies wrote:I also don't like that she thinks she is supposed to be town just for claiming PR.
But not a scummy dislike, right? More of a personal distate for the play

Because I don't think it's scummy

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:18 pm
by Noraa
In post 3016, Cobra Kai wrote:Noraa you have zero chance of getting my head on a pike this game.
Lmfao its not like I had a chance last game I was in with you where u tunneled me for no reason and I died day 1.

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:19 pm
by Noraa
In post 2815, REAGAN BUSH 84 wrote:I think Noraa's reaction to Cabd was a lot more concerned with asserting that Cabd & co. weren't all that great over genuinely trying to sort Cakez/Cabd. Their defensiveness was kind of fine? But I'm concerned as to why they're so concerned with shooting down other players' ego over just sorting them/the people following them, the concern is to win the game not prove Cabd is a moron.
The moment I voiced an opinion that didn't fit with his, he immediately just jumped at me. Thats not exactly welcoming.

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:19 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 3038, REAGAN BUSH 84 wrote:very overpowered in the hands of town.
No it's useless

Knowing who is a blade and who is a driver is probably useless for the scum team

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:20 pm
by borkjerfkin
In post 3028, Firebringer wrote:lowkey cabd r u cheating?
This is not ok, and further discussion of this in game will result in your replacement as well as a report to the listmods.

Please see this thread for details: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=80293


Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:20 pm
by L4pe
In post 3036, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3029, L4pe wrote:its obvious youre not going to agree on whether this role is town or scum aligned so why not let the flip decide
Uh... why are you trying to shut me down? I'm arguing against eliminating noraa today

Why is it "obvious" that I won't agree?
my bad, not trying to govern your pov here; typing without thinking so im not sure how to get the words out

but what i mean is, ultimately, if you do reach a conclusion, what good will it do