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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:27 pm
by Wallflower
More and more I think eliminating Math is the only correct play here and the more talking about roles etc the more info we give to scum
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:32 pm
by MathBlade
In post 3024, Roden wrote:Technically, Math, it's possible you targeted Enchant and got double blocked by BP
and
JK.
That’s why I am saying if you don’t trust me flip me.
Then Enchant becomes confirmed town until and unless a doctor flips green.
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:33 pm
by Aristeia
this is so ass backwards
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:34 pm
by Aristeia
eliminating enchant and having him flip scum ascetic cop would literally mean the JK guilty on MB is meaningless
create an ascetic cop for us from the Universal Backup
and set the scum on 1 scum left and pretty much easy win
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:34 pm
by MathBlade
That condition works for Ari because doc stays hidden
It works for everyone not wanting pass claim
And if scum Enchant (which I think is false) kills a town doctor, scum enchant loses inno.
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:34 pm
by Aristeia
I do not see a single reason why anyone should be townreading Enchant on play or mech
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:35 pm
by Aristeia
In post 3029, MathBlade wrote:That condition works for Ari because doc stays hidden
It works for everyone not wanting pass claim
And if scum Enchant (which I think is false) kills a town doctor, scum enchant loses inno.
we have 10 Town Players one of them picked doctor
why the !@#$ do we need a doctor to out to kill Enchant I have no clue
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:36 pm
by MathBlade
In post 3028, Aristeia wrote:eliminating enchant and having him flip scum ascetic cop would literally mean the JK guilty on MB is meaningless
create an ascetic cop for us from the Universal Backup
and set the scum on 1 scum left and pretty much easy win
Nope
We have a role that can check Enchant for Ascetic.
Then enchant scum have to shoot Roden to avoid being outed but doc if it exists protects Roden
So win win.
Then only way that fails is scum PRs which narrows scum PoE
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:37 pm
by MathBlade
In post 3030, Aristeia wrote:I do not see a single reason why anyone should be townreading Enchant on play or mech
He’s the one who got shot when I flip town unless a doctor exists.
There is no guarantee of that.
If a doc flips green then Enchant scum can be considered not before
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:37 pm
by Aristeia
if you check Enchant and he's not ascetic that still doesn't mean he isn't scum bulletproof
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:38 pm
by MathBlade
In post 3031, Aristeia wrote: In post 3029, MathBlade wrote:That condition works for Ari because doc stays hidden
It works for everyone not wanting pass claim
And if scum Enchant (which I think is false) kills a town doctor, scum enchant loses inno.
we have 10 Town Players one of them picked doctor
why the !@#$ do we need a doctor to out to kill Enchant I have no clue
Because if a doctor isn’t flipped and green (not enough just to claim) then the most likely answer is scum shot Enchant.
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:38 pm
by Aristeia
In post 3033, MathBlade wrote: In post 3030, Aristeia wrote:I do not see a single reason why anyone should be townreading Enchant on play or mech
He’s the one who got shot when I flip town unless a doctor exists.
There is no guarantee of that.
If a doc flips green then Enchant scum can be considered not before
this is wrong
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:38 pm
by MathBlade
In post 3034, Aristeia wrote:if you check Enchant and he's not ascetic that still doesn't mean he isn't scum bulletproof
Then if no doctor and no BP where is the missing kill when I flip town?
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:39 pm
by Aristeia
In post 3035, MathBlade wrote: In post 3031, Aristeia wrote: In post 3029, MathBlade wrote:That condition works for Ari because doc stays hidden
It works for everyone not wanting pass claim
And if scum Enchant (which I think is false) kills a town doctor, scum enchant loses inno.
we have 10 Town Players one of them picked doctor
why the !@#$ do we need a doctor to out to kill Enchant I have no clue
Because if a doctor isn’t flipped and green (not enough just to claim) then the most likely answer is scum shot Enchant.
your mech is just wrong sorry
we assume a doctor exists period
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:39 pm
by Wallflower
In post 3028, Aristeia wrote:eliminating enchant and having him flip scum ascetic cop would literally mean the JK guilty on MB is meaningless
create an ascetic cop for us from the Universal Backup
and set the scum on 1 scum left and pretty much easy win
How does enchant as ascetic cop mean that Math is not guilty? Doesn’t it just remove another possible explanation for the no-kill?
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:40 pm
by MathBlade
In post 3038, Aristeia wrote: In post 3035, MathBlade wrote: In post 3031, Aristeia wrote: In post 3029, MathBlade wrote:That condition works for Ari because doc stays hidden
It works for everyone not wanting pass claim
And if scum Enchant (which I think is false) kills a town doctor, scum enchant loses inno.
we have 10 Town Players one of them picked doctor
why the !@#$ do we need a doctor to out to kill Enchant I have no clue
Because if a doctor isn’t flipped and green (not enough just to claim) then the most likely answer is scum shot Enchant.
Nah, I don’t assume something exists without evidence.
You said scum always shoot Enchant here. Enchant BP is the simplest answer
your mech is just wrong sorry
we assume a doctor exists period
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:40 pm
by Aristeia
In post 3039, Wallflower wrote: In post 3028, Aristeia wrote:eliminating enchant and having him flip scum ascetic cop would literally mean the JK guilty on MB is meaningless
create an ascetic cop for us from the Universal Backup
and set the scum on 1 scum left and pretty much easy win
How does enchant as ascetic cop mean that Math is not guilty? Doesn’t it just remove another possible explanation for the no-kill?
Because the JK guilty means nothing if Enchant is Scum Ascetic Cop
Ascetic always makes Nightkills if Scum has it
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:41 pm
by Aristeia
In post 3040, MathBlade wrote: In post 3038, Aristeia wrote: In post 3035, MathBlade wrote: In post 3031, Aristeia wrote: In post 3029, MathBlade wrote:That condition works for Ari because doc stays hidden
It works for everyone not wanting pass claim
And if scum Enchant (which I think is false) kills a town doctor, scum enchant loses inno.
we have 10 Town Players one of them picked doctor
why the !@#$ do we need a doctor to out to kill Enchant I have no clue
Because if a doctor isn’t flipped and green (not enough just to claim) then the most likely answer is scum shot Enchant.
Nah, I don’t assume something exists without evidence.
You said scum always shoot Enchant here. Enchant BP is the simplest answer
your mech is just wrong sorry
we assume a doctor exists period
you're wrong sorry
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:41 pm
by Wallflower
In post 3041, Aristeia wrote: In post 3039, Wallflower wrote: In post 3028, Aristeia wrote:eliminating enchant and having him flip scum ascetic cop would literally mean the JK guilty on MB is meaningless
create an ascetic cop for us from the Universal Backup
and set the scum on 1 scum left and pretty much easy win
How does enchant as ascetic cop mean that Math is not guilty? Doesn’t it just remove another possible explanation for the no-kill?
Because the JK guilty means nothing if Enchant is Scum Ascetic Cop
Ascetic always makes Nightkills if Scum has it
Oh right sorry
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:42 pm
by MathBlade
Then if that doctor flips and flips green
OR Enchant is ascetic
Then Enchant is elimmable
Not before
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:43 pm
by Aristeia
bulletproof is literally useless
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:43 pm
by Aristeia
scum win at parity
enchant will
never
clear himself
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:44 pm
by Aristeia
if you lim him and he flips town bulletproof maybe we get a UB become bulletproof and soak up another nightkill
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:44 pm
by MathBlade
This forces scum Ausaka to waste their JK on Roden to fake it.
So if Roden gets ascetic he knows scum in Asuaka or Enchant
If Roden doesn’t then Enchant is not ascetic and very likely bulletproof conf town.
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:45 pm
by implosion
Aristeia wrote:bulletproof is literally useless
Aristeia wrote:scum win at parity
enchant will
never
clear himself
do you mean it's useless as in "if enchant is town, bp did nothing for us because of parity"? Because the setup starts in evens. Or do you mean it's useless at this point now that we're in odds?