In post 3049, Ghostlin wrote:These aren't opposing ideas. And because there's obv-town there, doesn't mean Jesus's second coming has happened and they've magically become infallible. Bluntly, I'd rather not lynch a shit townie that might have an infinitesimally small chance of redemption that I'm lukewarm about as scum and would much rather lynch scum.
Is this a hard concept to understand, Bed and Breakfast?
They
are
opposing ideas. Nick hasn't given us anything in two day phases despite overwhelming support to lynch and plenty of pressure. What makes you think he's going to be come any more useful later? So you're saying it's dangerous for such a useless player to continue into late-game but you're in support of letting him hang around. That's the
definition
of opposing.
The point of having so many obv-town on the wagon is you know this is
not
a scum-pushed wagon, this is a wagon by townies for townies. That means greater chance of hitting scum.
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:47 pm
by Ghostlin
For those of you in the studio audience asking, "Is Ghostlin always this much of a shithole when Town?"
bnb wrote:I found these questions weird freaking questions to ask.
*shrug* It pertained to why you thought it was a town-driven wagon.
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:42 pm
by Venmar
Ah it seems this game has a hard on for Venny this game upon a quick skim.
Muffin is pretty town btw cause his reasoning for me being town are solid as fuck, and this isn't even coming from me being cuddly or biased, he actually read the game unlike you smartasses
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:52 pm
by Venmar
In post 3013, BROseidon wrote:You instead tried to coast by on "I can read Rach well she's town trust me guys."
- Ok I can tell right here that you have either never played with me before or have no idea who you're talking to.
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Also HOW THE FUCK is this thing not dead yet?
Vote: Mac
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:58 pm
by Venmar
Mastin is actually town, much much more confident this is his townself
Sooooooooooooooooo
TD is conftown, Mastin and Andrius are both probably town, BnB is a derp but also probably town, Muffin is very town, Aj is prooooooooooooooooooobably town idk, and malakittens is a semi town read.
So you think I've been hard bussing the mala-slot this whole game (I was literally the first or second person to suspect that slot), as well as bussing both scum-mates today?
wat.
I might change my mind after a few flips, I might not. Who do you think is the scumteam?
In post 3012, mastin2 wrote:but they definitely seem like they're there with Andrius and Nacho.
We have a lot of experience together, so this vibe doesn't surprise me.
In post 3021, mastin2 wrote:There is literally a 0% chance for Venmar to be scum. I'd lynch a cop innocent before I'd lynch Venmar.
You tell me this but you know I can't take your word for it right?
If this doesn't get flashlynched tomorrow I will be greatly disappointed.
Also this head is in limited access until Wednesday.
yes pls
lurkerbro is a scumbro
This inconsistency from day 1 feels like scum-MS trying to capitalize on SoS and BnB hating my hammer. Notice how the slot has also largely stayed away from pushing my wagon today.
I don't agree with mala wagon because mala is cute <3
btw vars, andy lynch is bad i think he is town because rach flipped scum
nick is a great lynch though!
Happy birthday bork!
I also think that TF's gambit is bullshit/bad
mutley <3 ns <3 i love tip and orc too sorry saki I've never played played with you before!
ok thats about all i read up till here
Really don't like the way FTL responds to the Mala wagon.
These are the main things that come to mind right now. Hence why it's not a strong read that I'm pursuing right now.
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:24 pm
by zMuffinMan
bro wrote:This inconsistency from day 1 feels like scum-MS trying to capitalize on SoS and BnB hating my hammer.
while the inconsistency is weird, that doesn't make a lot of sense. sos had been calling you scum all d1. why do you think he'd choose your hammer to capitalise on their read on you?
bro wrote:Really don't like the way FTL responds to the Mala wagon.
you really think that looks like something scum-ftl says about their buddy?
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:47 pm
by BROseidon
1) SoS was the only one who gave any serious push against me day 1, but after that hammer a bunch of people came in with OMG HAMMER SO TERRIBLE. Pushing a mislynch on me day 2 became much easier after that.
2) I don't have experience with scum-MS, so I don't have a meta baseline. The position (defending my strongest scumread) and the style of the defense (the same high-level bullshit a bunch of people are going with) make me a bit uncomfortable, though, just in terms of what interests they imply (hint: it's scum interests)
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:08 pm
by Faster Than Light
u might as well be reading varsoon
he has a scum baseline
hi bro
why was your D1 play so terribad?
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:34 am
by Aj The Epic
This was supposed to be posted last night to muffin's posts to me. Unfortunately, internet here blows and gave out.
Yes, but does my personal opinion in invalidate my personal findings? I stated at the end that the Rach thing was weird: His mastin/rach reasons were very similar, but the obvious worse of the two players at that point was Rach so his willingness to keep her around while lynching mastin is very, very wrong to me.
I've got too slow an internet right now to actually quote your wall that I got in a pre-edit (down in Sandusky off a short range hotel serve easily 200 meters away) but I want to address some (if not all at some point) now. So I'm just going to c/p them into quote code. They're all yours below, Muffin.
Spoiler:
The conversation was about whether mac is scum or not. bnb responded to TD saying that she could read mac because they were in a hydra and when she thought mac was scum she'd say so. nick responded back saying that he trusted his own reads (a mac scum read) over the reads of someone who he doesn't know is town.
Alone, I admit that this is weak. Alone. But when he did so again, and it seemed to be targeted specifically at Mollie, I was wondering if it wasn't a subtle attempt at discrediting a hydra early on. From the games I've been in, BNB is a hard hydra to get lynched. (Actually, mollie in hydras in general are tough to lynch)
This is an example of where I think you're completely misreading or ignoring the tone of the posts. The snarky attitude probably has a lot more to do with playstyle and nothing to do with alignment.
I get the idea of personality::meta style, but as I stated, I felt he might've been trying to protect his own meta. Generally, people are fairly free about giving meta. Especially to players like SoS who made it sound like meta was their big play style. Again, though, this post was more important to me in the fact that he was reacting particularly sarcastic towards a player who can be fairly emotional.
Well, he wasn't suggesting LaL. He did have a problem with how mastin was feigning confidence in his reads while admitting he wasn't confident in his read.
He basically saw mastin say "I'm going to lie about my confidence" and attacked Mastin for lying.
I understood his reasoning for this. As he explained in 1504, RM may have been acting scummy but it was a lynch based on little information and even if she flipped scum, there would be very few interaction tells. While I disagree with him, I can see where he's coming from, and I don't think this opinion is alignment indicative.
I can't check, but I'm fairly certain my post about Rach and her connections was before this post. I thought Rach had plenty of connections, fairly obvious ones at that.
... For someone that talks about nick misrepresenting mastin, I find it ironic that you took a post from the end of the day where it was obvious mastin wasn't going to be lynched, and pretended this is some sort of proof that nick contradicted himself or something.
I was referring to the fact that mastin took most of his pressure after making that comment. It's also when his wagon grew the most. But Nick didn't move off to support a wagon that had more chance of going through, even to the end. Even when he gave a heads up that he wasn't going to be on until a few hours before the deadline. So... why is he sticking off a wagon that he claimed he thought the slot was scummy?
(Although, you do kind of address this yourself here:)
I'm also currently thinking this isn't the case because, like venmar, there were more viable counterwagons than mastin and he never really took the opportunity to jump on any of them.
Also, mastin's reads did look artificial, and anyone who thinks this isn't the case has something wrong with them. His reads were all based on interaction, not on the content people were posting.
Isn't 90% of this game interaction? Like, I believe my primary case on mala was her content, but I started nailing her for her interactions to others (mainly rach). I know what you mean, Mastin didn't start particularly strong, but I personally have enjoyed his line of thinking and considered Thezmon and Mastin my biggest help yesterday in formulating an idea of the scum team. (His reads on scum today are also relatively close to my idea)
But, what's your current read on Mastin then? You've obviously expressed difficulties with communicating to him, but I'm not sure I remember any specific read you have for him.
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 2:37 am
by Aj The Epic
Oh hell. Bork, can you change that spoiler to the proper type?
