Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we have 4 fights so we only need 4 locktowns to win the game

i currently have lavendar taylor krazy prism as my lock4

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

meant tanner not taylor. sorry taylor!

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i could see morningtweet going in there too

[Chara]

we were expecting lavender not to show up at all. but she did. so i think the options are:
(1) scum!lavender, either unknowingly (not reading the thread nor the scum PT before making her presence known) or knowingly (???) played against wincon by showing up
(2) scum!lavender planned this exact sequence of events out with scum!puppy in hopes that someone locktown her for it rather than trying to go for the win outright
(3) lavender is town.

i'd like to first apologize for not being present at deadline, which this reminded me of.
i don't have a good excuse, i for some reason thought i had more time than i did and upon reading the thread at the conclusion of my tabletop session, realized this was not the case.
so thanks to Lavender.

my first thought is she's town for that one. i don't think Lavender was engaged enough to really plan anything. i do think it's

possible

she saw "whoever hammers is locktown" and decided to do that for the cred, but... i don't know, it doesn't currently feel like that.
not that i'm putting any more stock into my "town intuition' this game after the Puppy flip.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think if we elim chara-hectic-pooky we probly win the game

[Morning Tweet]

I 100% would have faked falling asleep prematurely had I realized scum wins by doing nothing. I probably would have realized it but i actually didnt as town so I dunno

I would have voted even earlier but I wanted to hammer and make a Chara troll post. Little did I know, *not* hammering was the real Chara claim

[Chara]

i think if we elim chara-hectic-pooky we probly win the game

i'm going to need you to walk me through me being scum.

[Chara]

also if you hard push someone and they don't get exec'd, when you flip as chara it makes the person you pushed look better.

you are right about this distancing gone wrong is a reasonable explanation.
my first thought is he would have not tried this day 2 after it ended that way day 1.

i agree - think this makes krazy locktown

am i the only one who saw his suji F-2 vote and like, got shivers?

what sort of shivers?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think if we elim chara-hectic-pooky we probly win the game

i'm going to need you to walk me through me being scum.

i dont think you are scum. you just arent in my locktown group and we have enough elims to fight everything outside atm

[Chara]

I 100% would have faked falling asleep prematurely had I realized scum wins by doing nothing. I probably would have realized it but i actually didnt as town so I dunno

I would have voted even earlier but I wanted to hammer and make a Chara troll post. Little did I know, *not* hammering was the real Chara claim

scum wins? isn't it more like "scum is in a really good place if i don't hammer"?
i should actually... look at the setup again to see what happens. i know it's bad, i didn't think it was auto-win.

[Chara]

i think if we elim chara-hectic-pooky we probly win the game

i'm going to need you to walk me through me being scum.

i dont think you are scum. you just arent in my locktown group and we have enough elims to fight everything outside atm

maybe you've been thinking about this longer than me, but after seeing who Chara was i'm not comfortable calling either Krazy or Lavender locktown and just calling it a day, is the problem.

i should probably do the work myself rather than... not, though. i felt so safe trying to relax on day 2 and now i feel foolish for having done so.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Whenever the deadline closes on any town-controlled day decision, unless otherwise specified, the mafia are privately contacted to choose among the town's legal choices instead. **********************

[Morning Tweet]

I know Lav might have been either unaware or big braining us if she expected someone else or hammer or something, but I do think she is pretty much town

Beyone that I'm like, pretty sure Prism and Tanner are town.

I want Hectic to join the townbloc too, his reads were on point as always, assuming he's town. He suspected em both! I am probably going to readopt all my previous reasoning for hectic being town

Chara, Pooky, Krazy

Well Puppy was willing to help us elim Krazy. Is there more than just that to suggest it isn't Krazy? There is the meta Prism found.

Pooky/Chara are both very townie in their own rights but it is starting to seem like Elements was seriously expendable to this scumteam..

My overall guess is either Pooky for having way overblown paranoia recentl or Krazy if there isn't anything I'm missing (I'm not totally writing off scum!Puppy makes a gambit by voting him, they need serious help to win after all), or Chara I guess? I like Chara a ton though so that feels wrong

I am very curious why scum didnt kill anybody, if anyone figured that out

[Chara]

ah, thank you.
so it would be a double nightkill.

am i also missing something obvious as to why there was no kill?

[Tanner]

what sort of shivers?

puppy put suji at E-2. at the time where i was still in my puppy-tunnel state. while a suji fight was likely, it wasn't a forgone conclusion at that point. and that vote is the exactly big dick play that:

(1) makes me much much less likely to jump on that wagon. one because of the speed itself, which made me doubt beeboy!scum day one, and two because my paranoid-scumread is on that wagon so naturally i don't wanna touch it.
(2) if it works, and suji doesn't get fought, it looks *real* good for krazy on day3+.

i'll admit (2) is more important than (1). also i'll have to check how far prism was in defending-redtea at that time.

[Tanner]

ah, thank you.
so it would be a double nightkill.

chara, if there had been no hammer, scum would've chosen to spare puppy. the game would be over.

[Morning Tweet]

I also don't no kill cause that's some weird EV calculation probably and I would not be aware of anything like that

I'd kill Prism if I were worried he is going to suspect me, otherwise I'd leave him alive

Pedit: Oh so you agree Puppy might have been gambiting voting Krazy? Hmmmmmmmm interesting

[Tanner]

he literally said he's just sheeping my suspicions there and that he doesn't really believe in that vote. gives him an excuse to be on the wagon while not having to actually push it through.

[Chara]

ah, thank you.
so it would be a double nightkill.

chara, if there had been no hammer, scum would've chosen to spare puppy. the game would be over.

....okay, yes. i don't know why that didn't occur to me.

perhaps i should stop trying to play until i've calmed down enough to think clearly.

Lavender is probably just town for that. i can't think of Puppy not making sure she was aware. it's still possible but that would be quite a blunder.
i'm also... several times more grateful that Lavender hammered. oh my god.

[Morning Tweet]

You have done us a great service Lav. You were just saving your vote for when it would really count

[Chara]

no kidding, she snatched up the ball i let fall into the grand canyon.

[Chara]

ugh, there's so much i want to look into... maybe if i take it by bits and pieces. Puppy's ISO is big and obvious, but Hectic's puppy suspicion Tweet mentioned would also be good to look at. well, anything that would allow me to locktown Hectic would be lovely. Krazy's ISO also deserves a look, as does Pooky.

i think Tweet is the slot i've paid least attention to this game, and i don't mean in ignoring her posts, but that i've given almost no thought to the possibility of her being scum. i'm usually not right when i look at an early strong townread and start to get worried and reconsider so i'm going to leave her for right now.

thought that the no-kill was a paranoia play targeted either Tanner or Prism is there but i doubt that's an avenue of thought that will net me an actual conclusion.

[Chara]

PRAISE LAVENDER, BEST OF COLORS, HOLIEST OF HERBS, HALLOWED BE HER NAME

[Prism]

I'd really recommend looking at the last few pages of Day 2 Chara. Super important.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Tanner/MT can either of you walk me through why Hectic is super locktown? I'm legit quite scared he is the baddie here.