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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:42 pm
by Datisi
Vote count 1.36

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2020-09-18 21:30:00).


execution
innocentvillager [4]:
Tayl0r Swift, PlusJOYED, osuka, innocentvillager
osuka [3]:
Ydrasse, shellyc, Saudade
bob3141 [2]:
NDMath, teacher
teacher [2]:
Kerset, bob3141
PlusJOYED [1]:
Andresvmb

Not Voting [1]:
Menalque


mod notes~ tbh i just wanted the pagetop


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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:46 pm
by shellyc
In post 2898, Andresvmb wrote:And the more I read plusJOYED, the more I think they’re kind of informed about alignments and enjoying throwing darts from the sideline.
finally someone could put it in words

plusjoy confuses me

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:49 pm
by shellyc
In post 2907, PlusJOYED wrote:why do people not see that IV is scum, the AtE is literally right there
he's not

iv is just frustrated town and he used the wrong method to vent his frustration

stop manipulating me into voting

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:50 pm
by shellyc
In post 2911, PlusJOYED wrote:peddit: agree on taylor tbh
wtf taylor is just being passive and lurky and not even trying to solve

they're a scumlean and you're juet being agreeable

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:51 pm
by shellyc
In post 2913, PlusJOYED wrote:I'd honestly prefer me to be elimed here over osuka
?????????

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:53 pm
by teacher
19 hours..... Why is there no urgency to consolidate -- like wtf is a vote one someone nobody has been discussing andres? Its time to get a lim not just posture. What lim that is remotely possible do you want to go through?

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:55 pm
by Andresvmb
In post 3055, teacher wrote:19 hours..... Why is there no urgency to consolidate -- like wtf is a vote one someone nobody has been discussing andres? Its time to get a lim not just posture. What lim that is remotely possible do you want to go through?
I’m not going to consolidate onto a bad push. Like I actually think plus has a decent chance to flip Scum. I’ve been saying it literally all day. At different points something would ping me about plus and I’ve been pushing it to the side while you all had a very specific type of contest.

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:57 pm
by teacher
Why is bob a bad push?

Is no-lim better than a bad lim? (no). Plus isnt going to be a lim, so do something productive.

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:57 pm
by Andresvmb
Menalque coming out with their nonsense about how I’m all of a sudden suspicious because I didn’t vote for Osuka when they wanted me to but after I had taken some time to reflect is really putting me over the edge here. That set of posts was the epitome of not taking ownership for your mistakes. I wasn’t the one arguing that another player had tripped a particular tell only to backtrack later. Give me a break.

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:59 pm
by shellyc
In post 2943, PlusJOYED wrote:I don't get why people don't consider the idea of mena vs osuka being TvT
not everything is TvT

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:59 pm
by Andresvmb
In post 3057, teacher wrote:Why is bob a bad push?

Is no-lim better than a bad lim? (no). Plus isnt going to be a lim, so do something productive.
I don’t SR Bob and I think he can make himself more useful later. If he keeps this low activity level and fails to really drive the conversation even after we’ve had some more information sure, by all means. He specifically spoke about his own meta regarding this not being his Scum game. Can anybody verify that?

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:00 pm
by shellyc
In post 2940, Andresvmb wrote:Here’s the thing. Menalque’s push on Osuka has been loud, obnoxious, and way overconfident. Menalque is either correct, Town, and will be completely obvious tomorrow. Or, he will try and sleaze his way out of a bad situation if Osuka flips Town, and we will have to make a decision as to whether he is worth listening to anymore, is Town, or is just Scum and needs to go.
it's more aggressive than effective, yes, but it's today's leading wagon

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:06 pm
by shellyc
andres sometimes limming the person town needs to lim is more important than limming your SR

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:09 pm
by Andresvmb
In post 2954, PlusJOYED wrote:agree with rest, but not true for iv. By killing him here, even if he flips town, it'll clear up so much
This is the sort of thing that pings me. Plus has been very consistently focused on a three person Scum Team since about the middle of the day. And despite everything that’s happened, plus has not really changed their view much. Opportunistically downgrading players here and there based on how the game was moving {Saudade, Bob}, but not really moving away from an {IV, Teacher, NDMath} solve. Despite that, there’s a lot of positioning around a potential IV Town flip. And plus was almost too confident in establishing that Osuka v. Menalque was TvT. But wants to restrict the flip today to IV/Osuka? I’m not buying it.

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:10 pm
by shellyc
tbh I think 2954 reads scum for being focused / positioned in a world with townflipped iv

I have been confused at plusjoy's words a lot I want to scumread them but my gut reads town on them.

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:11 pm
by shellyc
plusjoy's ISO is messy

having weird, opportunistic reads and not actually doing much to solve

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:12 pm
by Andresvmb
Okay but none of you have really offered a compelling alternative at all. Menalque just retracted their push on Osuka, who I can’t read really. I don’t want to do Bob. And an IV flip is honestly probably just bad. Yeah IV could theoretically be doing all that AtE and self-voting as Scum. But even under consistent pressure, IV has been completely unable to really direct the pressure anywhere specific. Constantly claiming to not have any idea who is Scum here. It’s such a misplay as Scum I’m almost willing to give it a pass.

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:14 pm
by shellyc
I want to do osuka despite mena retracting
I'm fine with kerset
i don't really want to do iv
I kinda want to do bob tbh

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:15 pm
by Andresvmb
I don’t know. I want someone to convince me that I’m an idiot for SR’ing plus and I’ll join whatever wagon you want. In the mean time, given the options, this is what I want to do. If this becomes obviously unviable and we’re approaching deadline, fine I’ll swallow my pride and vote somewhere else.

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:18 pm
by Menalque
I’m not saying osuka is town, I’m saying the reasons I had for lockscumming him yesterday based on his reaction to my calling out his ellitell was NAI I think

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:19 pm
by Andresvmb
In post 3069, Menalque wrote:I’m not saying osuka is town, I’m saying the reasons I had for lockscumming him yesterday based on his reaction to my calling out his ellitell was NAI I think
You’re making me want to throw my phone towards the wall.

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:19 pm
by shellyc
you're not an idiot I'm confunded by plus

but they are not today's elimination

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:19 pm
by Menalque
I’m kind of in flux and idk where I want to go rn

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:20 pm
by Menalque
In post 3070, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 3069, Menalque wrote:I’m not saying osuka is town, I’m saying the reasons I had for lockscumming him yesterday based on his reaction to my calling out his ellitell was NAI I think
You’re making me want to throw my phone towards the wall.
Wonderful

Why

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:22 pm
by Andresvmb
In post 3073, Menalque wrote:
In post 3070, Andresvmb wrote:
In post 3069, Menalque wrote:I’m not saying osuka is town, I’m saying the reasons I had for lockscumming him yesterday based on his reaction to my calling out his ellitell was NAI I think
You’re making me want to throw my phone towards the wall.
Wonderful

Why
How am I supposed to trust your view of Osuka when you readily admit that part of your argument is compromised?