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Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:21 am
by RLotus
In post 3046, Andresvmb wrote: In post 3044, RLotus wrote:What about VPB? I think you changing your mind on VPB was a very crucial point in the game, Idk if we would end up here if you hadn't. So why is my alignment not linked to his?
Defending Scum is far more incriminating than defending Town is clearing. They’re not comparable. You can sacrifice some slots on the Town side and make them hard to flip, and still win as Scum. It’s much harder to win if you let your buddies get executed.
If GC flips green I have defended another town, what makes it different from VPB that I am now clear town to you?
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:23 am
by Andresvmb
In post 3050, RLotus wrote: In post 3046, Andresvmb wrote: In post 3044, RLotus wrote:What about VPB? I think you changing your mind on VPB was a very crucial point in the game, Idk if we would end up here if you hadn't. So why is my alignment not linked to his?
Defending Scum is far more incriminating than defending Town is clearing. They’re not comparable. You can sacrifice some slots on the Town side and make them hard to flip, and still win as Scum. It’s much harder to win if you let your buddies get executed.
If GC flips green I have defended another town, what makes it different from VPB that I am now clear town to you?
Why don’t we wait to see what GC flips? I’m not trying to big brain everything.
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:23 am
by RLotus
In post 3048, Andresvmb wrote: In post 3045, RLotus wrote:You really think a scum is going to constantly try to get in the way of miselims, like one or two I understand, but it seems like that is what I am constantly doing.
I do think you’ve overstated your case on Italiano for example. That was the D1 mis-execution. And I don’t remember you standing in the way of midwaybear. In fact no one tried to stop that one as hard as I did.
I said I think midwaybear is town due to who was voting on him. I didn't argue and argue about like you did no.
Yes Italiano the one town I didn't defend. I am 8-1 or some shit, kill me now
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:31 am
by RLotus
In post 3051, Andresvmb wrote: In post 3050, RLotus wrote: In post 3046, Andresvmb wrote: In post 3044, RLotus wrote:What about VPB? I think you changing your mind on VPB was a very crucial point in the game, Idk if we would end up here if you hadn't. So why is my alignment not linked to his?
Defending Scum is far more incriminating than defending Town is clearing. They’re not comparable. You can sacrifice some slots on the Town side and make them hard to flip, and still win as Scum. It’s much harder to win if you let your buddies get executed.
If GC flips green I have defended another town, what makes it different from VPB that I am now clear town to you?
Why don’t we wait to see what GC flips? I’m not trying to big brain everything.
It looks like were going to be in limlo whatever he flips anyway
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:32 am
by VP Baltar
This seems like a pointless argument rn.
I mostly just want to hear whether people are on board with GC, and if not, who their preferred yeet is.
Lotus has weighed in.
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:32 am
by Andresvmb
In post 1267, RLotus wrote:VP + GC is something I considered because of the way GC was trying to cool me off of VP. If VP is town, I think it is highly likely that GC is town.
I’ll give you an example right. You pushed VPB as Scum early in the game. Look at you here tying the alignments of GC and VPB together. Obviously you expect it to be more likely that VPB flips at that point (and it was, since you had laid out a solid case against VPB). This sort of thing gives you the necessary cover to project away from GC if your preferred execution at the time goes through and flips Town.
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:33 am
by VP Baltar
In post 3053, RLotus wrote:It looks like were going to be in limlo whatever he flips anyway
Huh?
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:35 am
by RLotus
In post 3055, Andresvmb wrote: In post 1267, RLotus wrote:VP + GC is something I considered because of the way GC was trying to cool me off of VP. If VP is town, I think it is highly likely that GC is town.
I’ll give you an example right. You pushed VPB as Scum early in the game. Look at you here tying the alignments of GC and VPB together. Obviously you expect it to be more likely that VPB flips at that point (and it was, since you had laid out a solid case against VPB). This sort of thing gives you the necessary cover to project away from GC if your preferred execution at the time goes through and flips Town.
It was so blatantly obvious that VPB was never happening at that point with the resistance I was getting, you think I'm a mastermind or something.
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:36 am
by RLotus
If GC is scum I die then we are in limlo
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 7:38 am
by RLotus
I guess it doesn't matter at this point we are either going to have to find the town in {Datisi, Dunn, DGB, Momrangal} or {Dunn, DGB, Momrangal} if GC flips scum and I die.
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 8:39 am
by VP Baltar
Andres, do you think max should claim today? If he's town, he's an obvious NK target.
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:05 am
by VP Baltar
Eh maybe that's stupid. I just hate when info dies.
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:05 am
by RLotus
In post 3010, Datisi wrote:i mean i disagree about maxwell being scum without green bc i don't see why scum!him jumps out to stop the momentum unless that's his own partner. the rest of your post seems correct.
i'm trying to think why i was decently town on green before, it was his play around italiano wagon d1 being kinda needlessly shitty as scum? and his argument against you yesterday? does that offset the rest of his play enough...
my *other* problem is that green might be a town power role, and i'm of the thought if nobody else claims pr, he could be clear. however, considering i just talked about the game where i cleared scum off faulty mech like that, i should probably shut the fuck up.
pedit: this is a response to
3006.
In post 3012, Datisi wrote:yeah ok. you sheeped me yesterday, i fucked up. i think you're town, i'll sheep you on this.
VOTE: green
i believe y-1.
He's doing it again, I can't believe he keeps getting away with it. So obnoxious
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:06 am
by RLotus
He said his night 1 result is useless so I think we'll know his info when he dies
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:11 am
by Datisi
max probably shouldn't claim, but leave it up to him to judge the situation i guess.
In post 3062, RLotus wrote:He's doing it again, I can't believe he keeps getting away with it. So obnoxious
what is the *it*?
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:11 am
by RLotus
In post 3064, Datisi wrote:max probably shouldn't claim, but leave it up to him to judge the situation i guess.
In post 3062, RLotus wrote:He's doing it again, I can't believe he keeps getting away with it. So obnoxious
what is the *it*?
Changing your read to fit VPB's and hopping on the wagon
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:19 am
by Datisi
"datisi isn't reevaluating!!"
"ok so i think andres is town, he has a point that green isn't as towny as i thought, him flipping would help solve some other slots and also he has bad associates with my other scumread"
"datisi is just changing his reads to fit baltar's!!"
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:26 am
by VP Baltar
Andres or Lotus, can you point me to the specific post or posts where you went "oh, mom is emotional town"
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:26 am
by Green Crayons
I see I’m the flip for today
So I’m not really doing any more work
I have a modifier. It’s two shot so I can’t do any more help PR wise anyway
GL
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:27 am
by RLotus
In post 3066, Datisi wrote:"datisi isn't reevaluating!!"
"ok so i think andres is town, he has a point that green isn't as towny as i thought, him flipping would help solve some other slots and also he has bad associates with my other scumread"
"datisi is just changing his reads to fit baltar's!!"
1. I believe I said it multiple times, from the end of day 2 to the start of day 3 your world should have crumbled yet your reads remained the same. It isn't that your reads are absolutely static. It is that your reads remained the same even after being completely wrong.
2. Yes you changed your read changed directly after VPB's read on GC did and have several times. Can you at least see what I mean about the timing of your reads in relation to VPB, even if those are genuine shifts in your mentality?
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:35 am
by Datisi
yes you did say that multiple times. and i responded how that's simply not how i work, and i'm not going to throw my *entire* gameview straight out the window (no matter how many times you insist i "should"), and that i am reevaluating except you don't agree with it being genuine or whatever
i feel compelled to point out it was after andres, not after baltar. but anyway. sure. i'm rarely the starter of wagons. ok. that does not make me scum.
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:39 am
by VP Baltar
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:40 am
by VP Baltar
In post 3068, Green Crayons wrote:I see I’m the flip for today
So I’m not really doing any more work
I have a modifier. It’s two shot so I can’t do any more help PR wise anyway
GL
Why give up?
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:40 am
by VP Baltar
Also, what is the point of revealing the modifier now?
Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:45 am
by Green Crayons
bc I’m tired and don’t find joy in doing meaningless work
Bc it’s true? Idk