Flea: putting aside that i'm not scum, you think Yin was forced to answer those criminal questions correctly? he answered a lot of questions with random stuff, if he wanted to avoid answering the criminal poe questions wouldn't he just have done that?
he did give the correct answer about the number of mafia i believe, but also said there were three factions.
and yes, it fulfilled the scum wincon at the time to have Infinity and Nakata as criminals, but what about now? it says mafia were aware that the true wincons would be revealed. i'd assume Yin was also aware.
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:19 am
by Amy Dunne
In post 2932, Morning Tweet wrote:If Flea was supposed to be one of the scum who gets nominated in this phase... lol
It makes more sense for it to be Pooky/clidd/Chara
Before you all throw the baby out with the bathwater: Yin did tell us Infinity and Nakata were criminals, right?
Pooky was also on Robert wagon.
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:19 am
by Chara
according to Yin, the criminals are Infinity/Nakata/Chara/Tanner.
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:23 am
by Amy Dunne
In post 2933, Morning Tweet wrote:Unless they were tripling up on the "Play weird and get town to kill you" strategy for some reason, maybe to stop too many townies from getting limmed? Idk
Pooky was also on Ircher wagon. So he was onboard with voting out two slots that flipped town. Look at who was opposing Robert and Ircher wagons, because that’s clearly why Infinity and Nakata opposed their lims.
The man isn't wearing his suit and top hat anymore. White is traded in for non-descript black. He isn't making a spectacle of himself here. The sun washes out the landscape and bleaches out the color.
"Something bad is happening in this city." She nods at him, but doesn't look as upset as he does. "Right, right. Keep the poker face up."
George Orwell's real name was Ernest Arnold Blanche.
Yin answered Tweet's question but not Tanner's or mine. though i'm not counting mine because i accidentally asked the exact group Tweetie just did.
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:33 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
im actually thinking maybe flea is town because theres no way anyone picks flea to endgame over infinity
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:33 am
by Amy Dunne
In post 3052, Chara wrote:according to Yin, the criminals are Infinity/Nakata/Chara/Tanner.
Since Yin detonated Ircher to cause chaos I think primarily. Had he not done so, we would just lim outside of Tanner/Chara.
Not he may have been lying to us about who the criminals, or he may have just been partially lying. We have no way of knowing.
Ydrasee is my #1 tr by meta but scum wants us now to doubt her as well as Pooky. I still also hard tr Tweet. We need to lim 4 townies to win and no more mafia, so I think with those 3 we’re good.
Chara wanting to lim Nakata > Infinty doesn’t make a lot of sense if it’s scum, so who was most opposed to Ircher and Robert lims, that’s possibly where you might find scum.
Pooky was hardpushing for Ircher lim as was Tweetie and Pooky and Ydrasse were down with Robert.
The man isn't wearing his suit and top hat anymore. White is traded in for non-descript black. He isn't making a spectacle of himself here. The sun washes out the landscape and bleaches out the color.
"Something bad is happening in this city." She nods at him, but doesn't look as upset as he does. "Right, right. Keep the poker face up."
i think Yin could choose what questions to answer with nonsense or not, and wasn't forced to answer the criminal questions.
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:38 am
by Amy Dunne
In post 3055, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im actually thinking maybe flea is town because theres no way anyone picks flea to endgame over infinity
Why not? Flea is decent as scum.
Scum would have likely been opposed to both Ircher/Robert wagons, so whomever was hard opposed to both might be scum right?
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:39 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
i think infinity is better at deepwolfing than flea and most people in this game so if she decided to tank it should mean the two scum left are better at deepwolfing than she is.
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:41 am
by clidd
What's your solve in a town!clidd world, pooky?
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:42 am
by Chara
of course scum wouldn't actually want town eliminated, but i'd think they would have to pretend otherwise on some level. scum knew that the real wincons would be revealed, and that they would have to endgame. it's like how in a normal game, scum obviously don't want their buddies eliminated, but bussing is still a thing for towncred.
it's pretty much Isis's Undertale spare mechanic.
Tweetie and Pooky are town for being on Ircher. I’m really kicking myself now for not hammering him. Oh well.
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:44 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 3062, clidd wrote:What's your solve in a town!clidd world, pooky?
i am at the beach rn and have not done even 2% of the work i need to do to re-orient myself
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:46 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
In post 3063, Chara wrote:of course scum wouldn't actually want town eliminated, but i'd think they would have to pretend otherwise on some level. scum knew that the real wincons would be revealed, and that they would have to endgame. it's like how in a normal game, scum obviously don't want their buddies eliminated, but bussing is still a thing for towncred.
it's pretty much Isis's Undertale spare mechanic.
i imagine isis and hectic were cackling when they made this setup
undertale with spares only but we dont tell them we are sparing rofl
It’s also possible scum could have tried to trick us, we should probably use play/meta/interactions as our most reliable tools.
I’m going to re-ISO Infinity and ISO Nakata.
But now we know why Infinity tunnelled Nakata so hard.
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:49 am
by Amy Dunne
In post 3061, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i think infinity is better at deepwolfing than flea and most people in this game so if she decided to tank it should mean the two scum left are better at deepwolfing than she is.
But scum wincon here is comparible to Trust Fall, is it not?
The sunlight bakes the man in his underground casket. Its hot but his back remains cool. His eyes open and the sky is gone from their reflection. The sun leaves them red as he stares up at the shapes around him. The earth unwraps where it hadn't moved.
They blame the hatted man. He blames them- he steals the sun and they miss the moon, what little it does. Even her, even-
Put on a show for ingrates and see what you get. Even her even her
EVEN HER.
His skin crawls with heat. The pit in his stomach burns cold.
If they want a real show- the man has known his role since the first lie to the stars and moon trapped in her eyes.
His fingers snap.
DETONATE.
Yin
, why did you detonate Ircher? I thought you were a NPA?
Now I have a mason PT with Yang, also allegedly an NPA.
Maybe Yin and Yang are not in fact NPAs but maybe stumps and Hectic was actually lying to us about that?
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:56 am
by Chara
In post 3061, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i think infinity is better at deepwolfing than flea and most people in this game so if she decided to tank it should mean the two scum left are better at deepwolfing than she is.
i don't know Infinity's scumgame at all, but Flea's scumgame isn't bad. that said, if it was the plan for fae to endgame, i don't think this is how fae does it at all.
but it's not 100% that the game actually went to plan for scum. it doesn't seem like Nakata at least was purposely tanking like Infinity was, his day 1 seemed to be normal solving and trying to look town. maybe he was intending to endgame and then had to be eliminated when it didn't work out.
GTH i would say Tanner/Ydrasse/me/either Pooky or clidd, but i'm worried i won't be able to be townread enough to offset the paranoia so i can't really count on being in the pool.Tweetie could absolutely still be town but part of my townread on her besides general energy level and vibes was her voting scum and her Robert townread. there was no reason for scum Tweetie to stick her neck out for Robert like that, but knowing that scum didn't want him eliminated and he was anyway she's the one i'm concerned about the most atm.
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:57 am
by Amy Dunne
Hectic, have you been lying to us about Yin and Yang being NPAs and are they actually in fact stumps?
In post 3063, Chara wrote:of course scum wouldn't actually want town eliminated, but i'd think they would have to pretend otherwise on some level. scum knew that the real wincons would be revealed, and that they would have to endgame. it's like how in a normal game, scum obviously don't want their buddies eliminated, but bussing is still a thing for towncred.
it's pretty much Isis's Undertale spare mechanic.
i imagine isis and hectic were cackling when they made this setup
undertale with spares only but we dont tell them we are sparing rofl
yeah. once again i have been dragged into a townhunting setup against my will. because coalition went so well the last time.
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:58 am
by PookyTheMagicalBear
when i say endgame i mean the 2 scum at the end of the game. they have much harder time getting out than the 2 scum in the beginning of the game
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 11:58 am
by Chara
actually it did go well, i just played 0 part in the victory and spent the whole game paranoid of the town leader.