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In post 3073, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:

In post 3068, borkjerfkin wrote:

In post 3065, No Brains Here wrote:only he isn't cos we suspected that there was more to the town herder role than what was presented and the fact that aj had us as a strong town read should really speak VOLUMES.

Ok mollie: why do you think there is more to the role than what was presented?

And I am to believe that there are two of them on the town team
And a baiter, whatever that does relative to the horde
and OGML - how does he fit into this for you? A legit vig or what because you've been talking about SKs before and we never ended in a spot where I knew what you were talking about.

I am having trouble seeing all of you on the same team. So if you're town: clear that up for me to the best of your ability. I am town, ergo your gut has fucked up.

You wanna fix this relationship? Clue me in.

not really. you were a strong town read on d1 but it never hit my gut, it only hit my head. I know what you are capable of and this looks like scum borky play. you trying to "fix" this relationship while indulging in abysmal logic might not be a scumtell in general but I would say it is a relative tell for you cos you are usually much smarter than this. this much like your play in posh but especially the greatest idea micro we played. and your used carsalesman routine of trying to smooth things over after sticking your head in the sand and ignoring details that should be obvious is not going to work on me.

^ me

In post 3072, RedCoyote wrote:mollie, you can't decide between Metal Sonic and sangres to try and kill but all of a sudden the scum is in the group of bork, me, and Titus. HUH?

oh I am sure I will get weird about them. worried? don't you have to comb someone's hair or wax their pits or something?

What am I capable of mollie?
How is my logical abysmal?
How might I be smarter than this?
What details am I ignoring?

Surprise! You got acerbic town bork! whoooooooooops

In post 3074, borkjerfkin wrote:

In post 3073, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:not really. you were a strong town read on d1 but it never hit my gut, it only hit my head. I know what you are capable of and this looks like scum borky play. you trying to "fix" this relationship while indulging in abysmal logic might not be a scumtell in general but I would say it is a relative tell for you cos you are usually much smarter than this. this much like your play in posh but especially the greatest idea micro we played. and your used carsalesman routine of trying to smooth things over after sticking your head in the sand and ignoring details that should be obvious is not going to work on me.

Can you cut the bullshit and answer what I asked you?

I did?

You didn't answer shit:

In post 3068, borkjerfkin wrote:Ok mollie: why do you think there is more to the role than what was presented?

And I am to believe that there are two of them on the town team
And a baiter, whatever that does relative to the horde
and OGML - how does he fit into this for you? A legit vig or what because you've been talking about SKs before and we never ended in a spot where I knew what you were talking about.

I am having trouble seeing all of you on the same team. So if you're town: clear that up for me to the best of your ability.

what did you answer here

In post 1436, Thor665 wrote:Let's see;

2. RedCoyote
8. PeregrineV
9. Mastin2
11. Aj the Epic
12. No Brains Here ( DrippingGoofball / Pirate Mollie )
15. Ellibereth *
16. Actiondan
17. Mattp
22. GuyInFreezer
23. Sugar Cain ( Nero Cain / Ms Marangal )

There.

In this list, the only people who were legit suspects IMO are RC, AD, and maybe GIF

Pere is understandable as a null as he hasn't posted

though you scum read on everyone else on this list?

Mastin, Aj, Matty, and NBH are all town, I would even consider them as Obv town.

You're scum-reading Matty and NBH for mainly Anti-town reasons, not scummy reasons

you havn't explained why you were ever scum-reading Mastin, and Aj

I'm pretty sure there was a time where you asked Aj to sheep you, and I'm still trying to figure out why you would ask anyone you were suspecting to help you lynch someone. You don't ask people you think is scum to help you, I can't understand the town-mindset behind that, yet you asked us to help vote Elli which is the biggest reason to why I chickened out of that lynch.

Elli's scumflip does make me reconsider my read on you though and that, maybe you are town who is just having some really, really bad reads

In post 3079, borkjerfkin wrote:You didn't answer shit:

In post 3068, borkjerfkin wrote:Ok mollie:

why do you think there is more to the role than what was presented?

And I am to believe that there are two of them on the town team
And a baiter, whatever that does relative to the horde

and OGML - how does he fit into this for you?

A legit vig or what because you've been talking about SKs before and we never ended in a spot where I knew what you were talking about.

I am having trouble seeing all of you on the same team. So if you're town: clear that up for me to the best of your ability.

what did you answer here

1. this was answered on d2 when I said I could see there being multiple herders.
2. thinking he is an sk

^all of this was covered on d2. that you somehow managed to miss this and the way you are all like "is there more to the role than what you said? huh? HUH? HUHH??? IS THERE SOMETHING WE DON"T KNOW ABOUT????????? ARGGGGGHHHH" which at this point in the game reveals more of a scum mindset than a town one.

obvscum is obvious. your motivations are made clearer with every post.

you seriously still think OGML is an SK

cause I don't.

and no I fucking didn't - I asked you for clarification several times and you were like 'hurr durr why aren't you getting the thing I was really vague and unclear about'

but tell me more how I'm scum for wanting clarification on shit. I hear that's pretty scummy.

jesus fucking christ.

Here's a fun exercise:

go to NBH's iso, start with 1963, ctrl + f "OGML", and just look at all the context that is treating OGML like a vig and not an sk

or is it just DGB who thinks that or what?

but you were totally clear

In post 3071, borkjerfkin wrote:I'm going back to metal sonic

@Desp: Look at the point where he says elli is a scum read: 2929 That was like RIGHT before elli was lynched. Why is MS more likely scum for NOT voting there than bussing there when the lynch was all but an inevitability?

Supposing without agreeing that your theory is right, you'd want to look at people who got on after the lynch was inevitable. Where do you draw that line?

Arguing against your theory in the alternative, when could the scum have gotten on without looking suspicious? Wouldn't it be better to hope the train fails?

In post 3080, Sugar Cain wrote:In this list, the only people who were legit suspects IMO are RC, AD, and maybe GIF

And...y'know, Elli. I was kinda dead on the money there last I checked the flips.

In post 3080, Sugar Cain wrote:though you scum read on everyone else on this list?

The list was people I would be willing to lynch. AKA - people I hadn't town read.

In post 3080, Sugar Cain wrote:Mastin, Aj, Matty, and NBH are all town, I would even consider them as Obv town.

In post 3080, Sugar Cain wrote:You're scum-reading Matty and NBH for mainly Anti-town reasons, not scummy reasons

Good work ignoring how my NBH read changed.
I don't see a problem with suspecting Matt.

In post 3080, Sugar Cain wrote:you havn't explained why you were ever scum-reading Mastin, and Aj

I haven't explained a lot of those reads, why do these two stick out to you?

In post 3080, Sugar Cain wrote:I'm pretty sure there was a time where you asked Aj to sheep you, and I'm still trying to figure out why you would ask anyone you were suspecting to help you lynch someone.

To see what they do.
It's called scumhunting.

In post 3080, Sugar Cain wrote:You don't ask people you think is scum to help you, I can't understand the town-mindset behind that, yet you asked us to help vote Elli which is the biggest reason to why I chickened out of that lynch.

No...you *supported that lynch as a 'gotcha' on Thor, and then when I put the pedal to the metal and actual support showed up you fled and tried to help build counterwagons. You thought it was going to be a light and funny bus - and then the business got really-real for realz.

In post 3080, Sugar Cain wrote:Elli's scumflip does make me reconsider my read on you though and that, maybe you are town who is just having some really, really bad reads

Yup, like how bad my read on Elli was.
I reckon now it's time to find out if my read on you is just as bad.

In post 3085, Titus wrote:Supposing without agreeing that your theory is right, you'd want to look at people who got on after the lynch was inevitable. Where do you draw that line?

Arguing against your theory in the alternative, when could the scum have gotten on without looking suspicious? Wouldn't it be better to hope the train fails?

You're mixing two different arguments:

1) Scum assuredly bussed (somewhere, especially with 4 scum alive). Look at the whole wagon.

2) As for MS: if scum: he had a direct route to towncred by voting elli at that point where he called elli scummy. There is scum motivation to have voted elli there. Desperado is arguing that it was scummy for him to NOT vote elli there and I want to know why he thinks that.

(let's not lynch titus though this is legitimate fact finding imo)

1) Do you think scum bussed earlier or later or do you have no clue?

2) Yeah scum can be pressured, I'm not sure how making this MS specific is relevant.

3) I'd still say that one of the scums likely avoided the Elli wagon and was on the Stupendous Wagon.

In post 3088, Titus wrote:1) Do you think scum bussed earlier or later or do you have no clue?

2) Yeah scum can be pressured, I'm not sure how making this MS specific is relevant.

3) I'd still say that one of the scums likely avoided the Elli wagon and was on the Stupendous Wagon.

1) I don't know and the answer might be 'both'. I had an operating theory rereading last night and that got shot to shit when the day started.
2) Not sure exactly what you mean but ok. I have a question out to desperado and I want to know what he's getting at with the argument that "MS is scummy for NOT bussing elli when he called him scummy at that point in the day"
3) You are assuredly correct there too.

So supposing the scum avoided the Elli wagon and voted Stupendous, which of the four do you like?

In post 3054, Titus wrote:Mastin, Mattp, Sangres, OMGL, and Sugar Cain

Those?

Mastin or Matt at this point; mastin's continued push on Dan with pretty much zero regard for the gamestate is bad and matt is just I dunno - everything he did in Posh seemed to actually have a point to it; here he's flighty and just kinda throwing shit at the wall and seeing what happens and then making snap judgments about it and then moving onto something else and not coming back to those previous things.

Not OGML, Sangres is seeming better than they did D1, and other than a stale gut town read on Sugar Cain I can't really figure them out anymore.

MS is scummy for weakly supporting an Elli lynch while failing to interact with it in a meaningful way. That lynch took a long time, and MS ignored it until the very end where he fosed him but still didn't vote. Didn't discuss his claim, the composition of his wagon, nothing. If you agree that there was scum off the wagon, it's just a likely to have been someone not voting at all.

@ red coyote

if you were to look beyond metal, who would you be looking at?

Did... Did Sugar really vote RC?
And what is nbh talking about I don't even
I want to hear from metal sonic, in the meanwhile:
VOTE: Sugar

hello

desperado push on me is scummy

also thank you bork <3 even though we are not masons this game

That was rather quaint

I am always quaint.


And town.

And a VT, right? No night actions? Nothing you could have done tonight to kill someone?