Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[Anatole Kuragin]

we know

3) I'm a town vig if I had an item but people suspect I am mafia and just happen to guess there was an item mechanic in the setup

-ak

[Anatole Kuragin]

Can someone explain to me how the Honey lynch happened D1? That seemed to have come out of nowhere, which is weird for a scum lynch D1.

I missed part of D1 but it started when FT suggested that her posts were scummy and then he tried convincing a bunch of people to vote her. Ffery voted upon replacing in. Lissa was sheeping I think. Anatole's and Cutty's votes I'm not sure of.

I made about 30 posts day 1/2 saying Honey Bee had suspicious posting patterns and was likely teamed with Baboon.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Did you? That just feels more scummy on your part. Especially since you said that town-you usually aggressively leads lynches on townies. And suddenly your scumhunting ability shoots up by leaps and bounds that you peg both flipped scum based on interactive tells.

It's not the first time I've been right

[Cutty Shark]

3) I'm a town vig if I had an item but people suspect I am mafia and just happen to guess there was an item mechanic in the setup

Yes clearly "things we know" is synonymous with "things you have asserted and cannot prove"

This is a pretty aggressive misrep outside of that: I believe you are telling the truth that your PM mentions an item. That doesn't make you town.

-b

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Can someone explain to me how the Honey lynch happened D1? That seemed to have come out of nowhere, which is weird for a scum lynch D1.

I missed part of D1 but it started when FT suggested that her posts were scummy and then he tried convincing a bunch of people to vote her. Ffery voted upon replacing in. Lissa was sheeping I think. Anatole's and Cutty's votes I'm not sure of.

I made about 30 posts day 1/2 saying Honey Bee had suspicious posting patterns and was likely teamed with Baboon.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Did you? That just feels more scummy on your part. Especially since you said that town-you usually aggressively leads lynches on townies. And suddenly your scumhunting ability shoots up by leaps and bounds that you peg both flipped scum based on interactive tells.

Sorry, I didn't mean it to come off like that. But there was an old game where I was newer scum and I spent the entire game tunneling on my scumpartners to a ridiculous extent to where I even claimed a guilty on one of them. Most of the town thought I was town upon their flips but some didn't buy it. (Majiffy was in the game, but I was playing under an alt).

Also, in BB:HoH mafia, Bulbazak as scum spent a shit-ton of time tunneling on both of his buddies even going so far as to say that they made sense as scum together.

[Anatole Kuragin]

The problem is there is no real case except that POE narrows it down to me, jiff, and oka and I'm being singled out for having accurate guesses at scum. There's not really anyway I can defend myself against that.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I wouldn't oppose you guys lynching through that list except that we don't have mislynches to spare.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I'm not convinced 5-Off isn't scum of some sort who just fake-claimed. If he's scum with Baboon, then it could even be a pseudoconfirmation of one of them if the other flipped scum.

Ah yes, I'm scum my buddy was bussing until it ran up into a larger CW than the Baboon wagon where he promptly jumped off and lost any kind of towncred he would have gotten for being on my wagon.

And then Baboon got lynched.

Good theory.

You are missing context. Ffery had her vote placed on OkaPoka and was working closely with me and Bork. While she said she would switch, it is entirely possible Baboon thought that by voting Oka with Ffery, and possibly persuading Bork and me, an Oka lynch could be achieved.

[Cutty Shark]

The problem is there is no real case except that POE narrows it down to me, jiff, and oka and I'm being singled out for having accurate guesses at scum. There's not really anyway I can defend myself against that.

Also that your role doesn't really jibe with the setup
I'm still looking at Nashville a little funny because they have done really suboptimal shit with their role as well as not making any attempt to sort you by giving you the camera, but the fact is that they started with what appears to be the only 'item' in the game and I am hesitant to see any motivation for scum to do anything but hold onto it, making that mechanic kinda dumb placed in the hands of scum

-b

[Cutty Shark]

And I can't get shit from Oka other than that he is not motivated to play ball with us under really any circumstances for whatever reason

-b

[Cutty Shark]

Of all these four I'm considering (Majiffy/AK/ND/Oka) I actually think Majiffy is the

worst

pick for scum at this point

-b

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I'm not convinced 5-Off isn't scum of some sort who just fake-claimed. If he's scum with Baboon, then it could even be a pseudoconfirmation of one of them if the other flipped scum.

I think we've already gone over this, but my reluctance to see them as scum together is setup related rather than anything I am asserting could not have been explicitly planned by 5-off. I don't think 5-off scum would've thought "it'll be easier for town to buy we're not scum together if I mention that I know scum are in the hood" because that doesn't really make any sense

-b

Elaborate on this. Why is a conversation like the following unlikely:

Ceph: We're both part of the same neighborhood. Cool!
5-Off: What's cool about that?
Honeybee: Typically, when scum are in neighborhoods, usually only one scum is in it.
Mara: The neighborhood will get paranoid that there is scum in there. I was in Viscon where most of my neighborhood was scum.
5-Off: I have a neat idea. I'll claim that my role implies there is scum in our neighborhood. If you guys flip scum, it validates my role. If I flip scum, then everyone will assume, I'm the scum in the neighborhood and clear you.

I'm not saying that's what necessarily happened. I'm interested in why you think it is so unlikely or impossible.

[fferyllt]

I wouldn't oppose you guys lynching through that list except that we don't have mislynches to spare.

I feel like you've spent more effort defending yourself than scumhunting today.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

f-16, what do you think about the likelihood of town 5-off gambiting that way? From what we've talked about it doesn't sound out of his town range.

It isn't at all. I can totally see 5-Off as town trying to gauge reactions by claiming there is scum in the hood and seeing who flinches. It apparently did make Lissa look very town.

And I am actually leaning town now I think about this: scum 5-Off would have known that if he made the claim he did, someone would react in a townish way and lessen their chances of mislynches so he'd be cautious about doing that as scum.

[Cutty Shark]

If you guys flip scum, it validates my role. If I flip scum, then everyone will assume, I'm the scum in the neighborhood and clear you.

Because none of these things really

do

what you're saying they do any more than the setup does itself.

If Baboon flips scum, it doesn't actually validate 5-off's role (because he could still also be scum bullshitting) unless you were already willing to believe that there was only one scum in the hood
If 5-off flips scum, it doesn't validate Baboon town unless you were already willing to believe that there was only one scum in the hood since the role didn't actually say anything like that

I guess they could've had the conversation, but I'm making the assertion that one's willingness to believe there is only one scum in the hood is really the only thing that actually matters, not anything 5-off could have said here.

The fact that you don't agree actually lends some credence to what you're saying, though, since they may have also thought that.

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

I wouldn't oppose you guys lynching through that list except that we don't have mislynches to spare.

I feel like you've spent more effort defending yourself than scumhunting today.

Scum is Oka and Majiffy. I've already said this. Those are literally the only options from my PoV. nash is a very slim possibility.

[Cutty Shark]

I'm confirmed town to you?

-b

[fferyllt]

It bothers me a little that he didn't come clean on his gambit later. But, he wasn't around to do that.

And maybe he wouldn't have come clean?

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'm 99% sure you're town cutty.

[Anatole Kuragin]

certainly not groupscum

[Anatole Kuragin]

whereas oka is like.. 99% sk

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

The problem is there is no real case except that POE narrows it down to me, jiff, and oka and I'm being singled out for having accurate guesses at scum. There's not really anyway I can defend myself against that.

Okay, talk to me about why Cutty and Nashville are town - from your viewpoint.

Also, it is not that you were right, it is that your reasoning on Mara was rather poor and you immediately took it back once Bork pointed out the problems with your logic.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

If you guys flip scum, it validates my role. If I flip scum, then everyone will assume, I'm the scum in the neighborhood and clear you.

Because none of these things really

do

what you're saying they do any more than the setup does itself.

If Baboon flips scum, it doesn't actually validate 5-off's role (because he could still also be scum bullshitting) unless you were already willing to believe that there was only one scum in the hood
If 5-off flips scum, it doesn't validate Baboon town unless you were already willing to believe that there was only one scum in the hood since the role didn't actually say anything like that

I guess they could've had the conversation, but I'm making the assertion that one's willingness to believe there is only one scum in the hood is really the only thing that actually matters, not anything 5-off could have said here.

The fact that you don't agree actually lends some credence to what you're saying, though, since they may have also thought that.

-b

This is true. I want to see what Majiffy comes up with though. I don't think he's the least likely of ND, AK, and Oka to be scum but we'll see.

[Cutty Shark]

Didn't 5-off reaffirm multiple times that he wasn't gambiting. Would he go that far as town F16?

[Cutty Shark]

@F-16: how certain of ND town are you? I find myself the most back and forth on that slot of any slot

-b

[Majiffy]

ffery/f-16 are claimed masons, so factor that into whatever you're doing

-b

Did they claim at daystart today or during D1 or D2 sometime?

Also someone asserted the second (read: not groupscum) kill was confirmed anti-town. How do we know this?