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Plus like why would Scum Comm claim to rolecop Fitz of all people like I just don't see it

In post 3052, TTTT wrote:

Deaths

Land of Xanth, Town Watcher, died Night 1.
Ssbm_Kyouko, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 2.

Claims

James claimed 1-shot cop with guilty on Comm
Comm claimed rolecop with check on Fitz
Ram claimed Jailkeeper with Fitz targeted
Fitz claimed VT

If James is town

and sn role claimed

, Comm is confscum.
If Ram is town

and is role claimed

,

Comm is confscum.

Fitz was either the killer stopped or was protected from the kill or neither if SSBM was nked night1

If Comm is town, James

is lying scum or lying town

& Ram

are confscum.

is still town

Also, scum could have targeted ssbm night 1

for reasons that I, TTTT, will expound upon later

which would result in the no-kill N2.
N1 kill on LoX from SK power (see prior games)?

And SK n2 kill wne ts eomwhere, which I, TTTT, will expound upon later.

VOTE: Comm

Fixed that for you.

In post 3053, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3052, TTTT wrote:Also, scum could have targeted ssbm night 1

Why would Scum target ssbm on N1 AND let him get lynched on D2?? That's a wasted shot. Besides, why ssbm in the first place? Again, why him over TWO Cop claims (one of which must be Town)?

Also, where is the SK kill for N2 then?

Maybe they didn't want him lynched?

Maybe it was docced, blocked, or otherwise interfered with.

In post 3076, Vifam wrote:Plus like why would Scum Comm claim to rolecop Fitz of all people like I just don't see it

to save Fitz, cause i straight up said i rbed him, no kill, so Fitz getting rope

In post 3071, TTTT wrote:

In post 3052, TTTT wrote:If James is town, Comm is confscum.
If Ram is town, Comm is confscum.
If Comm is town, James & Ram are confscum.

If this is wrong will someone point it out plz

Done.

In post 3063, Ramcius wrote:huh? Is it me stupid and don't know how JK works, or Fitz asking dumb question?

You're talking about the "basic" version, and he's assuming the variant! Hmmmm...

Sine YOU are the JK, you should ask the mod via PM to clarify on whether your role is the "Base Role" or the one under 'Variations" on the wiki page.

In post 3072, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3062, PeregrineV wrote:

In post 2986, James3 wrote:Comm is guilty. There is now no reason to delay lynching him.

VOTE: CommKnight

In post 2988, James3 wrote:Note that Comm's offer deliberately precludes him proving that hes actually a rolecop (not that that would prove his alignment). If he just town-confirms someone, that won't show that he knows their role. If he simply states that a role is in the game, there will be no way to disprove it.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Refer to the very first post of the day by Comm where he offers to tell us a name w/o a role, or a role w/o a name.

If the 1-shot Town Cop got a guilty on someone, he does not explain the logic behind why that guilty person could be offering bad information.

In post 3081, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3063, Ramcius wrote:huh? Is it me stupid and don't know how JK works, or Fitz asking dumb question?

You're talking about the "basic" version, and he's assuming the variant! Hmmmm...

Sine YOU are the JK, you should ask the mod via PM to clarify on whether your role is the "Base Role" or the one under 'Variations" on the wiki page.

The variant with a name, which is not the claim Ram made.

In post 3078, PeregrineV wrote:

In post 3053, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3052, TTTT wrote:Also, scum could have targeted ssbm night 1

Why would Scum target ssbm on N1 AND let him get lynched on D2?? That's a wasted shot. Besides, why ssbm in the first place? Again, why him over TWO Cop claims (one of which must be Town)?

Also, where is the SK kill for N2 then?

Maybe they didn't want him lynched?

Maybe it was docced, blocked, or otherwise interfered with.

We couldn't lynch Wifam D1, but mafia let lynch their NK D2? Keeping in mind 2 slots were empty, scum could easily trow us on someone else, when RC started fight against Kyo wagon, or even before that, tehy could just straight up call out people for sheeping their NK wagon

These Comm votes don't make sense to me.

In post 3081, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3063, Ramcius wrote:huh? Is it me stupid and don't know how JK works, or Fitz asking dumb question?

You're talking about the "basic" version, and he's assuming the variant! Hmmmm...

Sine YOU are the JK, you should ask the mod via PM to clarify on whether your role is the "Base Role" or the one under 'Variations" on the wiki page.

no, my role says target will be protected from all kills and will be unable to perform any action, so i assume it's basic version

In post 3066, Ramcius wrote:

In post 3061, Almost50 wrote:Actually;

VOTE: Comm

Flipping him is probably the only way to understand his weird result/claim. If he flips Town Role Cop though, both James and Ramcius will be in deep shit.

I like this, i really do, why i'm in deep shit? My role have no interaction with Comm results, and it's Fitz, who counter Comm words, i went to read wiki, and i couldn't find anything about JK preventing other people from checking target, just about normal roleblock - target can't use any active abilities

Read the wiki again. Under "Variations" it says another variant of the JK role makes it's target untargetable to ALL acions, and is sometimes referred to as Alien.

However, I have never seen the term Alien being used for a JK, but I have seen the version where the JK prevented it's target from being Copped as well as from being killed. In fact, I always assumed it to be the genera case not the variant!

In post 3084, Ramcius wrote:

In post 3078, PeregrineV wrote:

In post 3053, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3052, TTTT wrote:Also, scum could have targeted ssbm night 1

Why would Scum target ssbm on N1 AND let him get lynched on D2?? That's a wasted shot. Besides, why ssbm in the first place? Again, why him over TWO Cop claims (one of which must be Town)?

Also, where is the SK kill for N2 then?

Maybe they didn't want him lynched?

Maybe it was docced, blocked, or otherwise interfered with.

We couldn't lynch Wifam D1, but mafia let lynch their NK D2? Keeping in mind 2 slots were empty, scum could easily trow us on someone else, when RC started fight against Kyo wagon, or even before that, tehy could just straight up call out people for sheeping their NK wagon

Personally, I doubt SSBM as the nighkill, but if he caught a player as scum before, they could have considered him a threat. Or maybe he crumbed something. Don;t really know.

But, in the interest of considering all possibilities, if scum did kill him night1, then they would be resistant on his early wagon and not show up until the very end. And that is about as far as I will go in speculating on that.

In post 3079, Ramcius wrote:

In post 3076, Vifam wrote:Plus like why would Scum Comm claim to rolecop Fitz of all people like I just don't see it

to save Fitz, cause i straight up said i rbed him, no kill, so Fitz getting rope

Then that would give us two scum when if he just said he rolecopped anyone else we'd just get 1, why would he do that

Like he could just quietly push for the 1v1 with James

In post 3086, Ramcius wrote:

In post 3081, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3063, Ramcius wrote:huh? Is it me stupid and don't know how JK works, or Fitz asking dumb question?

You're talking about the "basic" version, and he's assuming the variant! Hmmmm...

Sine YOU are the JK, you should ask the mod via PM to clarify on whether your role is the "Base Role" or the one under 'Variations" on the wiki page.

no, my role says target will be protected from all kills and will be unable to perform any action, so i assume it's basic version

Yes.

In post 3087, Almost50 wrote:

In post 3066, Ramcius wrote:

In post 3061, Almost50 wrote:Actually;

VOTE: Comm

Flipping him is probably the only way to understand his weird result/claim. If he flips Town Role Cop though, both James and Ramcius will be in deep shit.

I like this, i really do, why i'm in deep shit? My role have no interaction with Comm results, and it's Fitz, who counter Comm words, i went to read wiki, and i couldn't find anything about JK preventing other people from checking target, just about normal roleblock - target can't use any active abilities

Read the wiki again. Under "Variations" it says another variant of the JK role makes it's target untargetable to ALL acions, and is sometimes referred to as Alien.

However, I have never seen the term Alien being used for a JK, but I have seen the version where the JK prevented it's target from being Copped as well as from being killed. In fact, I always assumed it to be the genera case not the variant!

The variants have names for a reason.
Jailkeeper docs/blocks their target.

PeregrineV wrote:These Comm votes don't make sense to me.

it makes sense when you consider there is a claimed guilty from a player who claimed cop day1
it doesn't make sense when you consider that if he is cop he should be dead

but nothing is making any sense
I feel like we are either getting several scum lynched once this is all sorted out
or we have lying town

Hold on I'm reading posts in order and responding to he ones I read. Anything posted AFTER the post I'm quoting I have NOT read yet.

(This is bc I see many post with my name on them in the preview, and if I do try to read them before I post I may as well never post for the next 2 hours!)

In post 3089, Vifam wrote:

In post 3079, Ramcius wrote:

In post 3076, Vifam wrote:Plus like why would Scum Comm claim to rolecop Fitz of all people like I just don't see it

to save Fitz, cause i straight up said i rbed him, no kill, so Fitz getting rope

Then that would give us two scum when if he just said he rolecopped anyone else we'd just get 1, why would he do that

Who knows, then Fitz lie and he's some towny looking scum role, so we should lynch Fitz first

@Comm
you still haven't said the result of your fitz target
other than 100% town

@James
why didn't you wait until Comm outed his result before you claimed a guilty on him?
that makes no sense to me if you are town.

In post 3092, TTTT wrote:

PeregrineV wrote:These Comm votes don't make sense to me.

it makes sense when you consider there is a claimed guilty from a player who claimed cop day1

Who then proceeds to make his result look fake with all his followup posting.

In post 3092, TTTT wrote:it doesn't make sense when you consider that if he is cop he should be dead

Who? Commknight? He claimed roelcop.

In post 3092, TTTT wrote: but nothing is making any sense
I feel like we are either getting several scum lynched once this is all sorted out
or we have lying town

Yeah, that's why I refuse to jump to conclusions. James and Comm need to be questioned way more.

James could be solo scum out of these claims.


James claimed 1-shot cop with guilty on Comm
Comm claimed rolecop with check on Fitz
Ram claimed Jailkeeper with Fitz targeted
Fitz claimed VT


wanna hear more from Comm

In post 3071, TTTT wrote:

In post 3052, TTTT wrote:If James is town, Comm is confscum.
If Ram is town, Comm is confscum.
If Comm is town, James & Ram are confscum.

If this is wrong will someone point it out plz

Since we're going wild with possibilities, and with this game explicitly NOT "normal"; I'd say;

If James is Town, Comm is either Scum or James got redirected or we have a Framer in play.

If Ram is Town, it has nothing to do with Comm's alignment (this I apparently decided just now after I had a look at the wiki page myself)

If Comm is Town, James still might have been redirected or Comm was framed, and it still has nothing to do with Ram's alignment.

The simple fact no is apparently the basic JK role does NOT prevent the target from being copped. However, the problem is Comm got a result "that cannot be 3P or Mafia", which is certainly not "Havingfitzis Vanilla", because "Vanilla" is someone w/o any special powers, so VT, Mafia Goon, Basic Werewolf and even Survivour all return "Vanilla" to a Role Cop.