NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Raskolnikov]

youre claiming pr?

[xyzzy]

VOTE: almost50

this post-hammer vote is fascinating to me

[Ausuka]

What? How can you have no opinions on players outside the unclaimed players?

I never said that I had no opinion.

I do have opinions, and they're fluctuating a lot.

Then how about you give me your opinion?

But I see no point in discussing the people who claimed because I have no way in hell to validate someone's claim as 100% conf.

And? Does this mean that their play can't be read into?

Nor do I know how that'd fit into a town or scum narrative for that person's alignment.

You don't need to fit the claim into your narrative! All I want to hear is your opinions on their play.

Discussing claimed players in a large on D2 - this dayphase proves - is mostly speculation AND associative discussion that literally has no clear answer or help at all for the town.

What??? How does this day phase prove anything like that? The VAST majority of the time has been spent discussing unclaimed players. There is scum outside of these players. You don't need to speculate about the claim of an unclaimed player. Like anyone else in the game who isn't clear, their PLAY can and should come under scrutiny.

Don't you think some of them have to be scum?

It's very likely, but I have my own suspects right now, and sorting the motives of how EACH player claimed their role and why is begging for both WIFOM and a great lack of clarity.

Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know everyone who has claimed a power role had done things not at all related to being a power role.

Don't you think some of them have to be scum?

I want to sort players I know the least about, I want to flip players that I think are very possible partners to

Dram

, not an associative or speculated SvT to another living player right now.

Scum will most definitely be weeded out amongst claimed players soon.

It seems to me that claimed players are the players you know the least about. So why aren't you trying to sort them?

You want to flip players who are scum, yes, that's obvious. But why haven't you looked into the unclaimed players for scum rather than pushing people like xyzzy? And please don't say that you have and you discovered that the five unclaimed players other than you are the most likely scum candidates :/

And no they won't be resolved. Even ignoring the fact that there are far to many PR claims for scum to really kill them all... What about, say, Jingle? The claimed visitor? Why would scum resolve him? What about Brass the claimed activated BP? There are plenty of people you should be taking stances on even if I accept that you shouldn't try to read people who could get killed.

When I die don't let MOI endgame btw

At least 3 other people have shared a sentiment very similar to this... just with different names, and "don't lynch" as well.

And?

OK so I might be a bit spammy this twilight because I don't want to put effort into writing a post and then lose it all.

The most important thing to remember is that MOI is scum not just on role but on play too. His recent ISO is pretty scummy I think, and I've given my thoughts about him.

Taly's town in a surface level way but please be wary of him. He is capable of being surface level obvtown as scum. If it's multiball the 3 scum thing is damning and the fact he refuses to talk about claimed players and thinks all the unclaimed players are scum is also fairly damning.

1)

You're deliberately doubtcasting me by using my own potential as a scumplayer?

I've been doubtcasted AND mislynched in games as power-obvtown because people thought I was a deepwolf.
It's not 100%

"Taly's going to skate by as obvtown since he's OP as scum! Hehehe!"

There ARE towntells and scumtells in my play. You have played with me several times, and while I can't hold you to a specific approach on me, I don't feel good that you're stating I'm surface-level town while not trying to resolve your weariness of me.

It feels like you're intentionally generating uncertainty.

You're not obvtown and I don't think there's anything wrong with what I said at all!

I know there are towntells and scumtells in your play, as should be blatantly obvious to you.

The fact you're accusing me of not resolving my concerns about you is hilarious. I've tried. You literally refused to give an answer because apparently there's nothing more to claimed players than the claims themselves.

2) WE HAVE NO CONFIRMED WAY TO TELL THAT THIS IS MULTIBALL.

Based off thread information, unless you believe

TW

is an SK, I don't know why you're making an argument that my suspects are

"damning"

to my alignment...

Do you know something about the setup that I don't?

it's almost like I used the word "if"

3) READ MY READ PROGRESSION.

I have

NOT ONCE

said that

ALL

the people in

{Sky/HWS/profii/A50/xyzzy}

are scum, but I believe there's a strong argument for more than one person in this group to be scum.

Yes I obviously didn't mean you think literally all of them are scum. The point remains that it is consistently your suspect pool and you don't appear to have been sorting any of them as town.

4)

Where did you get the

"3 strong-scum read conviction"

from me? Have you read my cases and thoughts this dayphase?

I'll find it now!

[xyzzy]

youre claiming pr?

yup but I'm several stages past hammered anyway so not like it matters, unless governor got secretly whitelisted as a normal role while none of us were looking

[Raskolnikov]

ok can you claim then if it could help

[Ausuka]

I mean, 3 person scumteam isn't unusual for 17-18p.

And with the chance of an SK or 3p being here, I'm think 3p scum is MORE likely at the moment.

At the very least, I just think

Elbirn

and

Sky

have a huge associative argument together and with

Dram

Here it is! You also asked me what I thought of a 3 player dram/sky/HWS team.

[xyzzy]

I don't think it can but I'm a hider (specifically not the more common weak variant)

I was reticent to claim before being hammered because of the possibility of scum losing a nightkill by targeting me

[Ausuka]

Who should we lynch d3, xyzzy?

[Raskolnikov]

bah
if this was the reaction to the earlier hammer youd not be the lynch

[Raskolnikov]

TW i would shoot a50 personally

[Ausuka]

I would shoot HWS. Not like it matters I guess.

[Raskolnikov]

guess i could see it if xyzzys town hider

unfortunately it sounds like a role that fits in this kind of setup with FV(s), and vig/sk so my bad today I guess

[Raskolnikov]

HEY xyzzy what did you do n1?

is it technically possible you were chosen as scum NK?

[xyzzy]

oh yeah I hid behind Taly. that is a possibility yes

[Nosferatu]

it's hard enough keeping a track of the deadline in the game let alone anything else.

I think we should push xyzzy to L-1 - get the claim and go from there to the next target (me please)

VOTE: xyzzy

@Almost50: you quoted the post where he did

[Nosferatu]

Please tell me more about my method of discrediting Nosferatu.

By the way @town: I do have experience with Nos and have read him correctly in NY 211 and police academy based on how his town vs scum games look. This so far is his scum game.

were you even in police academy

also you said he's just making stuff up which isn't really true

[Almost50]

it's hard enough keeping a track of the deadline in the game let alone anything else.

I think we should push xyzzy to L-1 - get the claim and go from there to the next target (me please)

VOTE: xyzzy

@Almost50: you quoted the post where he did

Well, let's put him to L-1 isn't the same as declaring him @L-1.

So, did you think you were hammering xy??

[Ausuka]

Please tell me more about my method of discrediting Nosferatu.

By the way @town: I do have experience with Nos and have read him correctly in NY 211 and police academy based on how his town vs scum games look. This so far is his scum game.

were you even in police academy

also you said he's just making stuff up which isn't really true

Yes, I was part of the sgba hydra. I never posted but I talked to tn about the game on discord and I was townreading you.

"i said pp and nos were town earlier and I stand by that. i do think porkens is scum but I'm not sure about that"
"well I tr nos and Ank so I'd say town motivated? not really scumreading Titus"
"i think I have an okay grasp on his meta and that this is town!nos. I correctly scumread him in our last game together."
"because I TR nos and everyone on his wagon other than a50"

Also yes he is making stuff up and that is clear. He literally called me scum for understanding how normal games work. MOI is far too good to do that as town.

[Nosferatu]

it's hard enough keeping a track of the deadline in the game let alone anything else.

I think we should push xyzzy to L-1 - get the claim and go from there to the next target (me please)

VOTE: xyzzy

@Almost50: you quoted the post where he did

Well, let's put him to L-1 isn't the same as declaring him @L-1.

So, did you think you were hammering xy??

i meant that the next vote would be L-1

he implied it because skygazer changed his vote at the last second and profii complained about needing too get L-1

I scroll up and see that someone said L-3, there are two votes and an unvote on the page, so I vote to L-1. Ain't that hard

[the worst]

is it bad that im optimistic xyzzy flips scum

No, so am I.

[Raskolnikov]

well, im not anymore

[the worst]

why's that? optimism is my jam

[profii]

VOTE: xyzzy

That's L-3

I'm not mentally in this game at the moment. There was a time today when I was, and now we're dragging. We've over talked everything today. Someone jus

Accidentally hit submit. Oops.

Someone just push something through. We all know the lynch pool.

These 2 posts don’t make me confident that xyzzy is scum

I went off that l-3 and wanted to get a claim as per my follow up to the +1 vote - I assumed I was L-2

I don’t know how chicka made the mistake but the post straight after “just push something through” Makes me think we’ve mislynched

This day has gone on so long I’ve lost track of exactly what cleared Chicka but Idk if anyone wants to clear that up know but I’ll wait for tomorrow

[Pine]

==> Vote Count 2.10 <==

With 15 votes in play, it's 8 to lynch!

I'll catch up with flavor I swear.

[L-8]

Almost50 -

[L-8]

MagnaofIllusion -

[L-8]

Ausuka -

[L-8]

brassherald -

[L-8]

the worst -

[L-8]

Gamma Emerald -

[L-8]

Skygazer -

[L-8]

Jingle -

[L-8]

Chickadee -

[L-0]

xyzzy - Raskolnikov, the worst, Almost50, Taly, Gamma Emerald, MagnaofIllusion, Chickadee, profii

[L-7]

HeWhoSwims - Ausuka

[L-8]

Raskolnikov -

[L-8]

Taly -

[L-8]

Nosferatu -

[L-5]

Profii - xyzzy, Skygazer, brassherald

Nursing their beer (Not voting)

- HeWhoSwims, Nosferatu, Jingle

[Pine]

RAWWWWRRRR!!!!! THIS FLAVOR DEPICTS THE BABY BEING WOKEN UP BY THAT LOUD BASTAGE XYZZY!!!

IT GOES ON TO ILLUSTRATE IN GREAT AND VIVID DETAIL THEIR BRUTAL AND BLOODY DEATH

XYZZY HAS DIED!

THEY WERE A

TOWN HIDER!

Welcome to New York 214: Project Pinecone! Here's your role information:

You are a

Town Hider

. Each night, you may choose someone to hide behind. While hiding, you are immune to all kills targeted at you. However, should the player you are hiding behind die, you will also die. Please note that this is not the more-common Weak Hider, and as such you do not automatically die if you hide behind non-Town.

Win Condition: You win if the town eliminates all opposing factions. At least one member of your faction must survive.

Please /confirm by PM. Day One will be started after 15/17 players have confirmed.

Deadline in (expired on 2018-08-03 19:18:00)