In post 3070, Blitzo wrote:/shrug
There's a reasonable chance he's scum here but I really cba dealing with this noise rn when Bell is just sitting there, doing nothing.
It doesn't even really seem like there's a reason to get cold feet on Bell here either tbh.
lol if you're scum here, you're the worst how you make it to Day 3 with a strategy of "I'll just act really confused about everything that happens", I can't believe
In post 3067, Blitzo wrote:You guys realize that scum instadies if they try that with the current plan, right?
Titus and HC both had outs though because we wouldn't have known where they went
(HC for not claiming and Titus for being kicked)
It's definitely still possible one or more is scum but I think Occam's Razor says it makes them more likely to be town.
Sure, maybe.
Except when someone dies and you realize that everyone is accounted for, you just lim the people who are unaccounted and you hit scum.
So they don't have a choice because they're the only ones left - even if they claim another room, everyone just accounts for where everyone else is and they're left in the cold by PoE.
It's the same concept where you don't see scum instaclaiming cop guilties just to get townies limmed - it does nothing.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:53 am
by Battle Mage
i believe Titus could be town, pushing a mislim on Bell-town here. Which means maybe we're just on the wrong track.
Although I'm sympathetic to the idea we need to lim SOMEBODY, I also think a lazy mis-elim after 124 pages is dumb.
In post 3067, Blitzo wrote:You guys realize that scum instadies if they try that with the current plan, right?
Titus and HC both had outs though because we wouldn't have known where they went
(HC for not claiming and Titus for being kicked)
It's definitely still possible one or more is scum but I think Occam's Razor says it makes them more likely to be town.
Sure, maybe.
Except when someone dies and you realize that everyone is accounted for, you just lim the people who are unaccounted and you hit scum.
So they don't have a choice because they're the only ones left - even if they claim another room, everyone just accounts for where everyone else is and they're left in the cold by PoE.
It's the same concept where you don't see scum instaclaiming cop guilties just to get townies limmed - it does nothing.
i have insta-claimed cop guilties as scum before.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:55 am
by Battle Mage
i dunno, we've got time, and it'd be good to test some other wagons. I'll think on it.
In post 3070, Blitzo wrote:/shrug
There's a reasonable chance he's scum here but I really cba dealing with this noise rn when Bell is just sitting there, doing nothing.
It doesn't even really seem like there's a reason to get cold feet on Bell here either tbh.
lol if you're scum here, you're the worst how you make it to Day 3 with a strategy of "I'll just act really confused about everything that happens", I can't believe
Well.
You have no actual reasoning outside of the fact that I've suspected you since day 1, you don't explain your reads and take baseless potshots at me every other page.
If you really want to figure me out or ask some questions or do something remotely towny, go ahead.
In post 3067, Blitzo wrote:You guys realize that scum instadies if they try that with the current plan, right?
Titus and HC both had outs though because we wouldn't have known where they went
(HC for not claiming and Titus for being kicked)
It's definitely still possible one or more is scum but I think Occam's Razor says it makes them more likely to be town.
Sure, maybe.
Except when someone dies and you realize that everyone is accounted for, you just lim the people who are unaccounted and you hit scum.
So they don't have a choice because they're the only ones left - even if they claim another room, everyone just accounts for where everyone else is and they're left in the cold by PoE.
It's the same concept where you don't see scum instaclaiming cop guilties just to get townies limmed - it does nothing.
i have insta-claimed cop guilties as scum before.
This is a pretty drastic misrepresentation of the point I was making.
In post 3070, Blitzo wrote:/shrug
There's a reasonable chance he's scum here but I really cba dealing with this noise rn when Bell is just sitting there, doing nothing.
It doesn't even really seem like there's a reason to get cold feet on Bell here either tbh.
lol if you're scum here, you're the worst how you make it to Day 3 with a strategy of "I'll just act really confused about everything that happens", I can't believe
Well.
You have no actual reasoning outside of the fact that I've suspected you since day 1, you don't explain your reads and take baseless potshots at me every other page.
If you really want to figure me out or ask some questions or do something remotely towny, go ahead.
Otherwise...Keep doing you I guess.
yeah too defensive bro
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:00 am
by Battle Mage
like, why would Blitzo-town just spend all game OMGUSing without any real evidence of solving? when push comes to shove, he just wants to flip some fools.
i mean, worst case scenario is Blitzo is town who is really struggling
In post 3067, Blitzo wrote:You guys realize that scum instadies if they try that with the current plan, right?
Titus and HC both had outs though because we wouldn't have known where they went
(HC for not claiming and Titus for being kicked)
It's definitely still possible one or more is scum but I think Occam's Razor says it makes them more likely to be town.
Sure, maybe.
Except when someone dies and you realize that everyone is accounted for, you just lim the people who are unaccounted and you hit scum.
So they don't have a choice because they're the only ones left - even if they claim another room, everyone just accounts for where everyone else is and they're left in the cold by PoE.
It's the same concept where you don't see scum instaclaiming cop guilties just to get townies limmed - it does nothing.
+1 to
MC's
point but I want to make the distinction that I'm not clearing anyone off this premise.
I believe
Titus/HC's
progression to be natural in light of their room sharing, and while it is possible scum does this for towncred (or their both S/S), that's a WIFOM argument and it doesn't align with the current solve I having going on with my head unless I rethink a large portion of the game.
Furthermore, I haven't faithfully put
Haschel
in the townbin. I'm weary of and are shelving them, and there are players I scumread with higher strength.
Do you think scum exists on
Bell's
wagon? How many scum?
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:25 am
by Taly
In post 3078, Battle Mage wrote:i believe Titus could be town, pushing a mislim on Bell-town here. Which means maybe we're just on the wrong track.
Although I'm sympathetic to the idea we need to lim SOMEBODY, I also think a lazy mis-elim after 124 pages is dumb.
Where's the doubt coming from? The fact that
Titus'
argument could or is flawed, or that the gamestate doesn't make sense for town to lim scum?
My POV with
Bell
is that they're playing similar to an instance I know of them to be scum. I cannot elaborate, but they haven't responded much to the points onto them, their reads aren't too fleshed out, and they were quite inoffensive D1 and haven't outlined many unique opinions of the game. I don't know what their baseline is, so my reasoning in this basis is weak, but I think
Titus
knows something I don't and I trust that.
If you had to wagon 2 more people right now, who would they be? I think you voted
Blitzo
recently but I'm still not seeing much detail to your thoughts there aside from painting their posts as OMGUSy or WIFOM-based. I don't entirely disagree, but I want more thought than that.
I'm ready to end the day, I think we're all ready for the night, decently confident on Bell's flip
pedit: bruh
What do you think about each individual vote on the
Bell
wagon?
I'm not asking for much detail. I'm really just trying to figure out this gamestate.
Bell
is a largely unrivaled wagon and I'm surprised a lim hasn't gone through yet. Off-wagon scum would've bussed or had completed the lim on town so far, I think?
It's just weird to me because any counterwagons D2 so far have been ineffective and not strongly pushed, so I don't know if my PoE pool being off-wagon people (like the rest of the thread) makes sense.
he clearly doesnt want us to have a plan for tonight by attempting quickhammer,
he opposes planning out room movements.
even when its obvious as hell that room planning worked by limiting the scum NK he still sticks to his ridiculous assertion that room planning is a bad idea.
like how many anti-town actions does this guy have to do before we send him out an airlock?
VOTE: Reck
btw we still need to plan out room movements so every1 post where you need to go to complete your tasks and i will try to organize it into groups of 3.
just in the next day or two and i will spreadsheet shit out.
exodia zero imbalance.
this post restriction is just dumb and I doubt shea even checks he's literally just inflicting suffering for no reason.
The previous game we were both in was in
Dung Beetles
, and your hydra with
Nancy
clocked
Bunno
-scum well before I did, and your focus on him there resembles here where it's very one-track focus.
But I'd like more reads, because I can't tell if your focus on
Reck
is a shield from giving input elsewhere.
I wrote a read wall this dayphase, where am I misled?
Dn't clr nyn bsd n y wr n rm ln wth thm. t mns nthng.
Tly
'm strtng t gt sd t tht flng. t s nt fn
You've seen a lot of
Gamma V BM V Blitzo
,
Bell V Titus V Murder
, and
OWER V Reck V Pooky
Where are you at with each group of 3 people? I kind of feel like I'm not giving you a just read by keeping you where you're at readwise in my solve since D2, but I haven't seen you case
Titus
(you could use posts you dislike) or combat the reads on you.
It doesn't seem correct for a scum mindset to be this lax, and this is a similar behavior I see with
TGP/DGB
that I might be misinterpreting, so I wonder if I'm being confbiased.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2020 9:56 am
by Taly
I want to play around, gauging what your mindset on the game is.
Dialogue Tree-
I think
OWER/Pooky/Cakez/Flea/Murder
suspicion of my vote is valid.
I think scum is taking the opportunity to push me more so than town.
Blitzo
deserves more votes/suspicion.
Titus
deserves more votes/suspicion.
Maestro
deserves more votes/suspicion.
I am voting
Bell
because their reaction to the wagon is poor.
I am voting
Bell
because of a specific post.
I am voting
Bell
because of meta.
I am voting
Bell
for another reason.
I think lots of 1v1s happening this game are more likely...
I want more people giving dialogue options.
I like that
Taly
is doing this.
I am indifferent to
Taly
doing this.
I think
Taly
doing this is unproductive.
Taly's
blue font is hard to read.
Taly's
blue font does not bother me.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:03 am
by Taly
The more volume I post in, the less control scum has of the discussion.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:15 am
by Taly
i shall strike fear, inspiration, confusion, or an unsettling mix of each into all of you
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:39 am
by Flea The Magician
hmmmm. 'm prtty sr y dn't wnt m nlshng cs wth ths pst rstrctn
Tly
.
Hll frnkly dn't wnt t nlsh my sl pstng styl wth ths rstrctn. Ths pst s lrdy fr t lrg ll.
Gmm V BM V Bltz
Sms t b t mch prsnl stff nvlvd wth Gmm nd BM s 'v nt bn bsrvng t.
Bll V Tts V Mrdr
t's ntrstng.
Bll
s smn nd t ssss prprly nc 'm t f ths PR,
Tts
'm prtty sr s
scm
nd 'll lbrt mr ltr.t's nt mch t g n bt t's strt.
Mrdrct
'm cnfdnt s
Twn
t th mmnt
WR V Rck V Pky
- 'm crrntly
twnrdng
ll 3 t vryng dgr.
Rck
"hmmrng" ws crtnly msng bt trst hm t knw bttr thn t pll smthng lk tht.
twrldR
nd
Pky
hv strngr rd n,
Pky
hs bn bg nflnc n D1 nd clms t hv hndrng pst rstrctn, whch sspct s nmbr f psts r hw ftn thy cn pst.
twrldR
s rdng s gnn t m s fr nd s smn wll b lkng t ltr t cnfrm my rd n.
d blv tht qts hv t b dn n my cs s wll, smlr t yr rstrctn whch mks ths nghtmr fr qts. spclly s 'm typng ths p nd sng rglr xprssns (rgx) t mk lf sr fr m.
Hnstly whn t cms t ppls rds n m 'm nt bthrd s lng s thy cn jstfy thm nd thy shft rnd rgnclly. dn't strv t b twnrd nd dn't s th pnt n pckng fghts wth ppl wh cn't rd m, 'm hrd rd.
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:49 am
by Titus
In post 3078, Battle Mage wrote:i believe Titus could be town, pushing a mislim on Bell-town here. Which means maybe we're just on the wrong track.
Although I'm sympathetic to the idea we need to lim SOMEBODY, I also think a lazy mis-elim after 124 pages is dumb.
I can respect this. #reachout #imsorry
@All but Flea, Can someone translate Flea's wall? Summary is fine. I'd like to engage Flea but I can't and it's frustrating. Catch up soon.
The more volume I post in, the less control scum has of the discussion.
Not true, if you're town. If you post more with nothing to say, you dilute your own voice. This gives scum more power as your voice gets ignored. Posting less but with concise points gets more influence.
In post 3067, Blitzo wrote:You guys realize that scum instadies if they try that with the current plan, right?
Titus and HC both had outs though because we wouldn't have known where they went
(HC for not claiming and Titus for being kicked)
It's definitely still possible one or more is scum but I think Occam's Razor says it makes them more likely to be town.
Sure, maybe.
Except when someone dies and you realize that everyone is accounted for, you just lim the people who are unaccounted and you hit scum.
So they don't have a choice because they're the only ones left - even if they claim another room, everyone just accounts for where everyone else is and they're left in the cold by PoE.
It's the same concept where you don't see scum instaclaiming cop guilties just to get townies limmed - it does nothing.
+1 to
MC's
point but I want to make the distinction that I'm not clearing anyone off this premise.
I believe
Titus/HC's
progression to be natural in light of their room sharing, and while it is possible scum does this for towncred (or their both S/S), that's a WIFOM argument and it doesn't align with the current solve I having going on with my head unless I rethink a large portion of the game.
Furthermore, I haven't faithfully put
Haschel
in the townbin. I'm weary of and are shelving them, and there are players I scumread with higher strength.
Do you think scum exists on
Bell's
wagon? How many scum?
This is fair regarding HC. I think town, like yourself and Cakey, can take a measured approach (namely that I stopped the doublekill because I fucked up the alibi). I disagree with it, but it's not strong enough to have the disagreement here ring as fake.
my PR is that I have to have every letter of the alphabet in every post I make
so after I'm done typing this shit I have to ctrl+f 26 letters and add words for whatever im missing
at least its not my next post restriction which is some bullshit rhyming thing
and shea probly wont even bother to check these posts to make sure i have 26 letters in each post, he's literally just doing this as a massive troll to go along with 24 hour prod deadlines.
I love to eat pizzas with the Queen of England at Xanadu.
ending day b4 we get room assignments from someone is kinda lol-bad imo.
Can we do a simple roll call:
My remaining task is in NAVIGATION
I was in Cafeteria last night.
my PR is that I have to have every letter of the alphabet in every post I make
so after I'm done typing this shit I have to ctrl+f 26 letters and add words for whatever im missing
at least its not my next post restriction which is some bullshit rhyming thing
and shea probly wont even bother to check these posts to make sure i have 26 letters in each post, he's literally just doing this as a massive troll to go along with 24 hour prod deadlines.
I love to eat pizzas with the Queen of England at Xanadu.
ending day b4 we get room assignments from someone is kinda lol-bad imo.
Can we do a simple roll call:
My remaining task is in NAVIGATION
I was in Cafeteria last night.
you have no idea how much i laughed at that. sorry dude!
how you make it to Day 3 with a strategy of "I'll just act really confused about everything that happens", I can't believe 
damnit, now i'm pocketed.