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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:22 am
by MathBlade
In post 3073, Datisi wrote:because omega (1) said there's no scum with guns left and (2) confirmed gamma as having a gun (rolecops have a gun). so if gamma is scum, omega must be too.
Or Gamma is a Joat with a doctor in it?
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:22 am
by MathBlade
And one of the others is an invest not rolecop
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:23 am
by ChaosOmega
I said Gamma has a gun and because of my informed knowledge, he's confirmed town. If he flips scum, I'm lying and therefore scum.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:23 am
by Datisi
then gamma wouldn't show up as having a gun. "there is only one scum that has a gun" and "gamma has a gun" cannot be worked around.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:25 am
by MathBlade
Ah fair enough.
So chaos has to be scum or Titus is.
I don’t think Titus is so Chaos by PoE.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:25 am
by Lukewarm
Dats, are you claiming a PR?
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:26 am
by Lukewarm
Or are you just making a hypothetical to make math do more math? lol
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:27 am
by ChaosOmega
In post 3079, MathBlade wrote:Ah fair enough.
So chaos has to be scum or Titus is.
I don’t think Titus is so Chaos by PoE.
Said Mathblade incorrectly.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:29 am
by Datisi
yeah.
2912 wasn't too off the mark. i'm a traffic analyst.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:30 am
by Datisi
which is why i've been saying that titus can only be scum with me. i can confirm that i got blocked on n2. so unless she's a scum!blocker who's truthfully claiming all targets and no-killing to go along with it, she's town.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:30 am
by Lukewarm
I don't know how that role works. Do you have results?
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:31 am
by Lukewarm
Oh. its a pt cop. Which I was expecting lol
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:33 am
by MathBlade
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... al_version
Yeah if Datisi is town I don’t see how Chaos is or scum just lose this.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:33 am
by Datisi
it's the same a pt cop, except for:
- mailman returns a positive result
- a person alone in a pt returns a negative result.
n1 checked umlaut, got a can communicate. i very subtly softed this on d2, you may have noticed.
n2 i checked alch, got no result. (soft in
1656 - "not sure where to go now")
n3 i checked mathblade, got a cannot communicate. (soft in 2655 - "dreams don't always come true", i talked about having a dream where math was scum earlier in the game.) this is why i said that we don't yeet him before another scum has flipped, because then we get insight on the scum pt distributions. a traffic analyst gets a "cannot communicate" result (false clear, basically) on people that are alone in their pt. right now, there's no way to know if the remaining two scum are in a pt together (which would make this a hardclear), or if the team is something like {mafia doctor, mafia neighbour, mafia traitor neighbour} which would make my result literally worthless.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:33 am
by Gamma Emerald
do you have a result from last night?
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:34 am
by Gamma Emerald
oh nvm, cool
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:34 am
by ChaosOmega
So assuming the setup is Mafia Doc + Mafia Neighbor + Mafia Traitor Neighbor, Datisi gets no useful results after Umlaut dies because they're both in a PT by themselves.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:35 am
by Lukewarm
Your night 1 result should be a clear right?
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:35 am
by MathBlade
In post 3088, Datisi wrote:it's the same a pt cop, except for:
- mailman returns a positive result
- a person alone in a pt returns a negative result.
n1 checked umlaut, got a can communicate. i very subtly softed this on d2, you may have noticed.
n2 i checked alch, got no result. (soft in
1656 - "not sure where to go now")
n3 i checked mathblade, got a cannot communicate. (soft in 2655 - "dreams don't always come true", i talked about having a dream where math was scum earlier in the game.) this is why i said that we don't yeet him before another scum has flipped, because then we get insight on the scum pt distributions. a traffic analyst gets a "cannot communicate" result (false clear, basically) on people that are alone in their pt. right now, there's no way to know if the remaining two scum are in a pt together (which would make this a hardclear), or if the team is something like {mafia doctor, mafia neighbour, mafia traitor neighbour} which would make my result literally worthless.
I told you your keyboard was broken *shrug*
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:36 am
by Lukewarm
Oh
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:36 am
by ChaosOmega
Turns out both our naked votes were softing guilties, lol.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:37 am
by Datisi
well n1 result should've been a clear, but apparently every investigative in this stupid game dogpiled on umlaut on n1, so.
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:37 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 3088, Datisi wrote:it's the same a pt cop, except for:
- mailman returns a positive result
- a person alone in a pt returns a negative result.
n1 checked umlaut, got a can communicate. i very subtly softed this on d2, you may have noticed.
n2 i checked alch, got no result. (soft in
1656 - "not sure where to go now")
n3 i checked mathblade, got a cannot communicate. (soft in 2655 - "dreams don't always come true", i talked about having a dream where math was scum earlier in the game.) this is why i said that we don't yeet him before another scum has flipped, because then we get insight on the scum pt distributions. a traffic analyst gets a "cannot communicate" result (false clear, basically) on people that are alone in their pt. right now, there's no way to know if the remaining two scum are in a pt together (which would make this a hardclear), or if the team is something like {mafia doctor, mafia neighbour, mafia traitor neighbour} which would make my result literally worthless.
so assuming we flip another scum today:
traitor flip = math could be scum, nontraitor flip = math can only be scum traitor and in that case the game would be over
this might make my "create a townbin and vote outside of it" play even more viable?
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:37 am
by Lukewarm
So all 3 of our investigatives happened to target umlaut night 1?
Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:38 am
by Gamma Emerald
tfw 3 TIs presumably targeted the same scum n1
Umlaut was straight up uberfucked, jeez