And my question remains: would he have been less scummy if he would have voted there?In post 3093, Desperado wrote:That lynch took a long time, and MS ignored it until the very end where he fosed him but still didn't vote.
In post 3101, borkjerfkin wrote:And my question remains: would he have been less scummy if he would have voted there?In post 3093, Desperado wrote:That lynch took a long time, and MS ignored it until the very end where he fosed him but still didn't vote.
would you honestly be saying that if he were tunneling someone that wasn't you?In post 3103, Metal Sonic wrote:tl;dr Desperado = confbias/tunneller/scumtunneler
Yes.In post 3101, borkjerfkin wrote:And my question remains: would he have been less scummy if he would have voted there?In post 3093, Desperado wrote:That lynch took a long time, and MS ignored it until the very end where he fosed him but still didn't vote.
In post 3103, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 3101, borkjerfkin wrote:And my question remains: would he have been less scummy if he would have voted there?In post 3093, Desperado wrote:That lynch took a long time, and MS ignored it until the very end where he fosed him but still didn't vote.
tl;dr Desperado = confbias/tunneller/scumtunneler
Ok. I don't agree considering the inevitability of the lynch at the point where he made that post. I do agree he's being a waste of a slot and am not defending him even if he is asserting that I am.Desp wrote:Yes.
I forgot to answer this yesterday -- at the time I voted, yes; since: 1) NBH immediately OMGUSed me today despite the fact that I'm the least lynchable of her new scumspects and 2) the slot can't keep their thoughts about OGML straight but mollie decided she doesn't want to talk to me about that I guess?). But here is what I think I know:In post 3051, Desperado wrote:I don't know and I have no way of acquiring enough information to know. You had NBH as strong town--was it really just their claim?
In post 3107, borkjerfkin wrote:Ok. I don't agree considering the inevitability of the lynch at the point where he made that post. I do agree he's being a waste of a slot and am not defending him even if he is asserting that I am.Desp wrote:Yes.
I forgot to answer this yesterday -- at the time I voted, yes; since: 1) NBH immediately OMGUSed me today despite the fact that I'm the least lynchable of her new scumspects and 2) the slot can't keep their thoughts about OGML straight but mollie decided she doesn't want to talk to me about that I guess?). But here is what I think I know:In post 3051, Desperado wrote:I don't know and I have no way of acquiring enough information to know. You had NBH as strong town--was it really just their claim?
Town had 1 herder and 1 'baiter' for sure.
OGML can kill people separate from the scum team kill. <- if people are disputing this (I am talking about the kill coming from elsewhere than OGML, not that he might be an SK which I acknowledge), I want to hear alternate theories. I do not see an SK in a game with 1+ non player controlled kills every night, this is pure conjecture but I think it's likely I am correct.
We have 2 scum flips, neither of whom had zombie controlling powers.
Given all that info, I think it is reasonable to conjecture that there is 1+ person on the scum team that can influence the horde. I think it is a bit less likely that town have at least three.
I agree with this in the case of Toog and somewhat in the case of Amrun as well. Two things I want to say though. 1) No one had any serious suspicion of Amrun that I can remember except for Aj and NBH. 2) Who's the first person that comes to your head when you think about people that suspected Toog? Sugar Cain. Do you concur?Titus 3001 wrote:Also, I think a vote history analysis is in order. Players who pushed trains on any of the above players should be deemed suspicious in some regard.
This is a little simplistic though. OGML could've been blocked. Maybe sangres is onto something about no kills going through (after all, it doesn't look the the scum got a kill through either).Titus 3006 wrote:I'm still alive. So that means doc healed me or vig didn't shoot me.
Doc wouldn't likely heal me due to the information I'd give and my claim of VT. Therefore, vig didn't shoot me.
Why would Michonne be a scum role? Yours and bork's votes are not thought out.Sugar 3017 wrote:Scum prob have herders as well
This is a good point, Des. Just when I was coming around on Titus, this angle on NBH sounds pretty forced.Desperado 3042 wrote:It doesn't have to be, but you've had NBH as town for quite some time and basing an abrupt change in read on something you admit doesn't necessarily implicate someone is lazy.
No, but for you to completely discount it is weird. Further you won't be able to sell me personally on Michonne as a scum role.bork 3046 wrote:AJ's townflip does not necessitate him knowing everything about the setup.
I'm still happy with Sugar and will join up on that wagon if you can do a better job selling the town, but I am much more confident in my Metal Sonic scum read.Thor 3061 wrote:RC, come play on the Sugar wagon! I'm neutral on that Sonic wagon, I should get some sheep off that last lynch, serious now.
You're just acting out because I called you on your poor hydra play. Do you disagree with these reads? Metal Sonic is my biggest scum read, why wouldn't I vote them? I kept that post deliberately short and sweet because those were all important things to say about my reaction to the night.Sugar 3063 wrote:He slings mud towards OGML's direction, Slings mug toward Mastins direction and reads AD town, while voting MS?
No, I'm not worried. No lynch will happen on me. I'm pointing out how silly it is that you weren't interested in sending zombies at your scumreads. Put DGB back on, please. You're a sweetheart and make me laugh, but you're going in a million directions and I cannot follow you.NBH 3076 wrote:oh I am sure I will get weird about them. worried? don't you have to comb someone's hair or wax their pits or something?
Sugar, Titus, and bork. Mastin stock is falling fast, so I'd advise you to sell if you're still holding. Wild cards in OGML, TIP, and Matt. I likely don't want those three lynched today, but I don't really see them as townreads.NBH 3094 wrote:@ red coyote
if you were to look beyond metal, who would you be looking at?
These questions seem aimless and stale. Didn't you ask him the same kind of things yesterday?TIP 3099 wrote:And a VT, right? No night actions? Nothing you could have done tonight to kill someone?
You ought to read just the Metal Sonic/pitoli part at least.bork 3109 wrote:RC - I didn't read his wall even a bit.
I've given plenty of reasons why I feel the way I feel and you can go ahead andIn post 3110, No Brains Here wrote:a lot of this was covered by different people on d2, I think it was nero who pointed out that scum probably had a scum herder.
where your logic becomes abysmal is when you say things like we are the scum herder and you keep your vote on us and that oh oh oh ogml is defo not the sk!!!!
like it is really bad.
I HIGHLY doubt that the scum team has no ability to control the horde. This is obtuse but considering that you are a scumslot it would make sense.In post 3111, RedCoyote wrote:Why would Michonne be a scum role? Yours and bork's votes are not thought out.
I'll admit I don't know the flavor from my ass, but weren't people saying Milton was considered a sympathetic-esque character? Like whoever got 'the governor' - do you think that person does not have a fake claim of somebody else?In post 3116, RedCoyote wrote:Also, bork, Elli's lack of a fakeclaim, what do you say to that?
I think that's a given with the mechanic we have (I think it is alluded to on the first page even); do you think it really says anything about the alignment thereof? Cause I bet it doesn't.In post 3115, RedCoyote wrote:Likely the Role PM suggested the possibility of multiple players that could herd the Zombies.
Yes, but lynching him was still a mistake. What did we gain from his death?In post 2541, Toogeloo wrote:I don't give two fucks about the claim being power. Elli essentially popped into the thread and said, "Here's my claim, bye now!" He's had no content at all, and even at L-1, has had no fight to stay alive. This is not playing to a town win condition in any shape or form.
But it's a fine art. Not something most people can do.It makes a statement. "SCREW YOU ALL, ACTION DAN IS SCUM."In post 2630, OhGodMyLife wrote:Vote parking Mastin is still super scum too
Had I been around, I would have switched to Metal Sonic in an effort to prevent the scum-driven buslynch on Elli and to wagon different-player-but-still-scum Metal Sonic. Away on the weekend. As marked in my sig, I am V/LA over weekends. Friday Night (which these posts were during) is part of the weekend.In post 2569, ActionDan wrote:oh mastin where are you?
I was abnormally quiet, as you put it, on D1 BECAUSE D1 WAS A SPEEDLYNCH AND I DIDN'T GET THE CHANCE TO POST MORE. I was abnormally quiet at the time you posted this BECAUSE IT WAS A WEEKEND WHEN I WAS V/LA. I've been PLENTY-active during the times where youMastin has been really quiet and I think him to be scum.
And, by the way, this is why patience is a virtue. HAD YOU WAITED TEN MINUTES, I WOULD HAVE POSTED BEFORE THE HAMMER. I got prodded (despite my weekend V/LA), and was making my MS rounds at the time OF the hammer. Had the hammer been later, I would have had the time to post.Prodding Ellibereth and Mastin2, I will also prod Peregrine soonish if he doesn't return.
See above for both. Yes, Elli was a derp-lynch. I thought Elli was scum, BUT I SPECIFICALLY AVOIDED BEING ON THE WAGON DESPITE THAT. It was stupid to lynch Elli, especially not knowing if Elli was scum. Hence, why it's so incredibly scummy the later you're on the wagon. Because only the scum would know Elli's claim to be false, and only idiots (derps) or scum would not think of the value of keeping even a scum-Elli around for one more day.Titus wrote:Mastin - Very few posts, says Elli is likely to be a derp lynch.
Looking at maybe-bork (need to double-check), maybe-RC (also need to double-check), Titus (also also need to double-check[LYNCHED] Ellibereth: Thor665, Desperado, Toogeloo, borkjerfkin, PeregrineV, RedCoyote, Aj The Epic, Titus, No Brains Here, TheIrishPope
), and TIP for the scum on the wagon. Obviously not all of them, but the scum on the wagon The thing is, reevaluation only happens when it's for the better. If I reevaluated my read on you from scum to town, that'd be wrong.In post 3009, ActionDan wrote:I was waiting for the lack of reevaluation from Mastin.
Thus the lack of it. There In a word?In post 3013, Desperado wrote:This vote sucks. You think chesskid openly called for two of his buddies to join him in the Stup quickhammer?
It's total WIFOM and I think Chesskid is competent enough to have thought about this too.In post 3119, mastin2 wrote:It makes PERFECT sense for chesskid to do it. Why WOULDN'T he? "...Because it's too obvious?" CHESSKID. CHESS. FREAKIN'. KID. And you think it's too obvious? Let me laugh for a bit. If anything, him doing so makes it MORE likely that Dan's scum, not less. Heck, aren't those three the Princeton Power team? All three having known close ties together? AT BEST, him calling out two friends to hammer would be null. AT ABSOLUTE BEST. The fact that Elli and chesskid were scum helps reinforce why it's far, FAR more probable that he did so with his scumbuddy, ActionDan.
wat.In post 3111, RedCoyote wrote:No, I'm not worried. No lynch will happen on me.I'm pointing out how silly it is that you weren't interested in sending zombies at your scumreads. Put DGB back on, please. You're a sweetheart and make me laugh, but you're going in a million directions and I cannot follow you.
pretty hedgey on the last 3, especially when you were saying earlier in the day round that you thought ogml was a likely sk. so if you don't have matt and tippy as town what do you have them as?Sugar, Titus, and bork. Mastin stock is falling fast, so I'd advise you to sell if you're still holding. Wild cards in OGML, TIP, and Matt. I likely don't want those three lynched today, but I don't really see them as townreads.
I did.In post 3113, borkjerfkin wrote:I've given plenty of reasons why I feel the way I feel and you can go ahead andIn post 3110, No Brains Here wrote:a lot of this was covered by different people on d2, I think it was nero who pointed out that scum probably had a scum herder.
where your logic becomes abysmal is when you say things like we are the scum herder and you keep your vote on us and that oh oh oh ogml is defo not the sk!!!!
like it is really bad.assertthat the logic is bad all you want; that does not make it so.If you're town you have every reason to show me where I am going wrong, but it really seems like you're intent on smearing me right now instead. Go read posh and GoW and then say with a straight face that this is my scum game.
@RC: If they are a scum herder they are "<Bad guy x - scum herder> with a fakeclaim of <michonne - town herder>". That is how fakeclaims work. And just because AJ flipped town herder should not in any way clue him in to how many herders or whatever else that town has. I don't get your point about AJ - just because we know he was honest does not mean we know he was right.
I'll read the MS/Pitoli stuff.