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wait are you suggesting that both Doublade and I are bussing Saki, Jon?

There are 3-4 more scum easily. How are 6 people not voting AND not posting?

Because the apathy is strong with this one.

↑ TiphaineDeath wrote:Because the apathy is strong with this one.

Yeah, more info the harder it is to herpaderp all day without being seen for what it is.

↑ RachMarie wrote:wait are you suggesting that both Doublade and I are bussing Saki, Jon?

The game I played with Saki, he was Town, and acted like this all the way through. I haven't read any of his recent games. It's a possibility you're bussing him, or he's just Town

There's too many slots to go all out meta for this game. I know your meta, and yours seems off. It could be Meat World issues I'm seeing, but even then, why say you're more suspicious of Thor, but stop shy of calling him a scum read? It's the little things like that that keep me scum reading you. I realize that's the pot calling the kettle black, but it's the way I stand right now. If it makes you feel better, my scum read on you is wavering.

If you or Thor ever flip, I'd almost guarantee the other one will be a different alignment.

I to go through and see who's scum read who, and check it against the voting record. Also I'd like to see who's Town reading who, and check out each scum case presented. I just need the time. Summer is the worst time to play Mafia for me. I just don't have the time like I do in the other seasons.

↑ jon_h61 wrote:The game I played with Saki, he was Town, and acted like this all the way through. I haven't read any of his recent games. It's a possibility you're bussing him, or he's just Town

Link?

↑ RachMarie wrote:I posted links to town Saki games, Thor. His play here is clearly active lurking and not at all helping town, whilst in those games I linked, and the one that Titus linked, show a very different Saki the TOWN Saki. Where he actually tries to figure out who the scum are.

Okay.

@Saki - want to address that?

@ Thor It was Open 544, Saki endgamed. He was a Town Vigilante. I called him scum most of that game for play just like he's been doing here.

Thor is Thor i think you will find that most players take a while to sort him out So yeah the fact he is still around is a minus but a lot of his posts are a plus, and again it is Thor.

@Rach - read on jon?

Hey Saki, who do YOU personally think is scum?

I'm a little busy today, but here's my suspicions. I think Thor is probably the SK. I believe Jon and TD to be a scum team with possibly 1-2 more members. Not members of that team are Eddie and Rach based on their pushes today. I do have reasoning for both of these theories, but I'd like to see reactions first to gauge how accurate my reads are.

I'm leaning towards voting Thor, just to reduce the number of killing roles.

What makes me an SK?

I want to hear more from Saki

Jon well I have him as probably town though misguided

JD why do you think there is an SK?

↑ RachMarie wrote:Jon well I have him as probably town though misguided

Any particular reason for the read, or just gut?

gut, PoE, played with him before

The way this day has played out makes Jordan's theory seem somewhat plausible. Not that I see any reason from Thor in partucular to make me think he's an sk. Presumable that has something to do with roles. Also who has Eddie been pushing today? From what I can tell it's no one. I don't see any reason to think Eddie is town. Zdenek seemed kind of town but I don't put much stock in that for the moment.

Since Rach keeps going on about suspecting Thor for being alive it makes me think she is likely town. Bringing something like that up repeatedly is a good way to end up with a rope around your neck. I think she keeps talking about it because it's a genuine feeling she has.

Saki may actually be town frustrating as that is.

Let's see what comes of this.

↑ Thor665 wrote:What makes me an SK?

First, no one is treating you like a scumbuddy and you are treating no one like a scumbuddy. This whole "Thor is scum for being alive" thing is so stupid, especially with this being functionally multiball now, that I can't see a universe where one of the people pushing that angle isn't scum. Thus Thor is not faction scum. The Thor attitude of push everyone who is suspicious and the SK attitude of push everyone that I can without looking scummy are close enough that I'm not sure there's a difference, so I can't use that to prove or disprove my theory. Further:

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↑ jon_h61 wrote:Ok, I didn't really notice that. Does this mean you're seeing Saki as Town? Someone to keep around?

Yes.

↑ jon_h61 wrote:As far as Thor's "not paying attention", I just got home from a weekend of camping/fishing/ drinking/ and eating. Then a long drive. I did notice two dead scum!!! that's pretty cool. And I'm dealing with a new, unexpected member of the family. A two year old Pomeranian. He's still in the demanding attention stage. So yeah, I'm a little distracted. Scum though, no.

The accuracy of my reads is exciting to me when it works.

↑ RachMarie wrote:Suspicion of Thor is going up he is still with us and yeah that is weird.

How many scum directed kills do you think we've had thus far?

The third chunk there is an odd question, and when I asked myself who I benefited from asking it, the answer that came to mind was scum looking for SK/Vig or SK looking for Vig. With that in mind it looked like vigfishing.

↑ RachMarie wrote:JD why do you think there is an SK?

Three night kills last night with two mafia flips... Titus and Doublade had nothing to distinguish multiple scumteams and I frankly don't think Werewolf makes any sense with the flavor. SK makes the most sense to me, and a strongman SK would be pretty elegant with the whole built-in-doctor mechanic.

Either way, we've discussed and we think Jon is more sure a flip than Thor (I have my doubts) and I've aired my concerns.

VOTE: Jon

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:I'm a little busy today, but here's my suspicions. I think Thor is probably the SK. I believe Jon and TD to be a scum team with possibly 1-2 more members. Not members of that team are Eddie and Rach based on their pushes today. I do have reasoning for both of these theories, but I'd like to see reactions first to gauge how accurate my reads are.

I'm leaning towards voting Thor, just to reduce the number of killing roles.

I believe Tipthaine and I are on the same team. I don't know about Eddie.

What makes you think Thor's a SK? If you truly believe Tipthaine and I are scum, wouldn't it make more sense to vote one of us over someone you think be a serial killer?

pedit I started this post last night, but didn't get around to finishing it. I can't quite follow Jordan's logic, but the one voting me who seems to just be following along trying to sneak onto a mislynch is, Dry Fit.

VOTE: Dry Fit

@ Jordan When I flip Town, are you still going to go after Tipthaine? What beside his supposed connection do you think makes Tipthaine scummy? I'm not seeing it. Could you flesh out your theory some more, I'm not convinced it's a Town push. As far as the "This whole "Thor is scum for being alive" thing is so stupid", and "that I can't see a universe where one of the people pushing that angle isn't scum.", prepare to eat your words.

@ Dry Fit Since Jordan's logic is "somewhat plausible", you give the impression you don't agree with all of it. My first question to you is, what's your read on Tipthaine? What are you going to do after you've been proven wrong? What's this push on Eddie you've put in the middle of your case on me, have to do with me?

My impression, if Jordan, Dry Fit, or Rach ever flip scum, I'd start looking hard at the other two.

I'm going to be in a boat, on the river, fishing, most of the day. I'll try to find a little time to check on the thread, I don't want to hear silly things like, he's gone quiet, must be scum.

@ Thor Is Jordan your scum buddy?

What's the deal with The Necromancers? They must be having a hard time crawling up out of their graves!

@Rach - what do you think of the current shift to Jon in light of your read on him?

@Jordan - your case is laughably bad. Why are you sheeping your SK read?

↑ jon_h61 wrote:@ Thor Is Jordan your scum buddy?

I'll check my role PM and get back to you.

↑ Jordan_Downey wrote:First, no one is treating you like a scumbuddy and you are treating no one like a scumbuddy. This whole "Thor is scum for being alive" thing is so stupid, especially with this being functionally multiball now, that I can't see a universe where one of the people pushing that angle isn't scum. Thus Thor is not faction scum. The Thor attitude of push everyone who is suspicious and the SK attitude of push everyone that I can without looking scummy are close enough that I'm not sure there's a difference, so I can't use that to prove or disprove my theory.

I just have to call out this part of the theory though. All of the points are bad, but this one is nonsensical.

He has made a town case on me.
He is using it to argue that I am SK.

↑ RachMarie wrote:BTW if you want to know why early on I was scum reading Pere, it was the way he was posting and the attitude he had felt very much like games he was scum in. Later his posting style did improve and appeared more like the towny Pere. So I felt like I could put him in the town pile .

What's your read on Peregrine? He was your biggest scum read for the longest time. In the one post that you described your scum read, you really didn't say anything. You just alluded to some previous game, and a feeling. What exactly changed your mind on him?

Dammit John, stay the course.

Thor, you look like the SK because you've been going with the flow and no so much arguing multiple wagons all game as being happy to be on multiple wagons. The only strike against you I can see other than that is that you are alive. Honestly the only reason I'm not voting you right now is because I'm pretty sure I know who the SK is, I'm just not going to get a lynch on them today so it's not worth outing just yet.