↑Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Also add in that he.didn't try to take town cred and you ha r lurker scum who don't want the attention.
i'm sure you're self aware enough to understand that this sentence is textbook confbias.
taking something non-indicative and spinning it in such a way that makes it scum-indicative simply because of the possibility being there.
also, i'm pretty sure i didn't even hammer klingon.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:05 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle
@errant what on earth? I've been saying I'm suspicious of you since the end of day one. And kept up with it. I've mentioned it at least once a day. Also put my vote on you. But I've been overrun by Titus and tso. I can quote the posts. Dont make this up.
And my point about the hammer was actually that pvs reason for not voting you (hammering and not grabbing cred) was WIFOM and could go either way. Not confbias.
And I have no idea what you're talking about spifflop for.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:08 pm
by Errantparabola
↑Extrapolated Eagle wrote:@errant what on earth? I've been saying I'm suspicious of you since the end of day one. And kept up with it. I've mentioned it at least once a day. Also put my vote on you. But I've been overrun by Titus and tso. I can quote the posts. Dont make this up.
this is the first i've heard about the D1 case, reasons-wise.
feel free to quote your D1 case coming up earlier and I'd be glad to retract my statement.
i was responding to this, eagle.
and i'm pretty sure i expressed doubt on spiff's alignment before reaching my final conclusion.
Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:10 pm
by Extrapolated Eagle
Oh ok. Yeah I'm a bit otherwise occupied atm. But I'll get back to this later with cases and quoting and stuff.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:33 am
by Aneninen
↑My Other Head Is Scum wrote:TSO is TSO, no read from him right now. He is sitting in my Null pile.
Errant is town, but everytime I have thought Errant was town was actually scum, so skeptical town there.
Randommidget I think is town though. Mostly meta reasons on that.
Who's scum then?
These reads are pigeon poop anyway.
As for MOHIS's later posts: why do we have to townread them again?
↑Shiro wrote:inte Dec 07, 01:00am Jan 04, 03:40pm 1 day 0 hours 14
I Am Innocent Dec 07, 02:00pm Jan 04, 01:57pm 1 day 1 hour 12
Ok I just realised that IaI has less posts than inte who was nonexistant.
Fire has vedith talked about the game like at all? (I am assuming you are fire)
It's time for a good old Aneninen-ish speculative bullshyt. What if Shiro's scum and so is the Inte-slot?
↑T S O wrote:Inte is a giant slot of null. Activity isn't really a tell - he's only played 3/4 games in a year, including this one. They were all town, and he lurked in 3/4 of them. He doesn't seem to have a history of replacing out tactically.
Inte-ZZZX + Shiro + TSO ?
(And what should I lie Today? I still haven't decided it yet.)
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:46 am
by Shiro
@Anen
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:56 am
by Aneninen
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:59 am
by T S O
↑Extrapolated Eagle wrote:And random because I can see where hea coming from and I've agreed with him a lot this game.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:59 am
by T S O
fucking what
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:03 am
by T S O
↑Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Oh craps I forgot my other reads. Random has been in an interesting spot. He seems to state something that is actually untrue about the game mechanics on multiple occasions which is weird for me. He's also kind of WIFOM y everywhere. Few stances, although I did kinda like the stance he did take. I want to drag this day out before lynching him.
↑Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Town reads: random because I can see where hea coming from and I've agreed with him a lot this game.
Keep up the good work, darling.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:17 am
by Elyse
Yeah I was confused about that too I thought you wanted to lynch errant today.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:24 am
by Extrapolated Eagle
I do. I'm mixed on random. Really mixed.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:24 am
by Extrapolated Eagle
Which is why I posted both sides of my thoughts on him.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:31 am
by jasonT1981
Official Vote Count
I Am Innocent
(2): T S O, Elyse
Errantparabola
(2): Extrapolated Eagle, randomidget
randomidget
(2): Varsoon, Aneninen
My Other Head Is Scum
(1): Errantparabola
Extrapolated Eagle
(1): Garmr
PeregrineV
(1): Passionate Storm
Not Voting
(6): I Am Innocent, TheWayItEnds, ZZZX, My Other Head Is Scum, Shiro, PeregrineV
Tso vote eagle with me anyway Been a bit slack today probably will post better when the weekend comes when I'm not doing manual labor all day.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:43 am
by Shiro
VOTE : Extrapolated Eagle
Let's do this
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:48 am
by Extrapolated Eagle
I get the feeling some of my day one reads are going to make me bitter after the game is over.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:56 am
by Extrapolated Eagle
Shiro give me a list of reasons why.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:58 am
by Extrapolated Eagle
Anen why no belief in the errant wagon?
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:06 am
by Shiro
Not gonna lie Partially because I townread the rest more.
There is also the fact that I feel like you wked Dapper and that you were the scum together with kling when. I was pushing the slchenist wagon
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:18 am
by ZZZX
↑Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Lets talk about errant and rm. Both have been relatively scummy recently. One has at least one person defending him, the other seems to have no one. One has been part of multiple lynches: avoided jumping on scum d1 until the last moment and then participated in town lynches. The other has avoided being part of most lunches and has generally been an all around da.
getting defended early on would be null. later on I expect that to be whiteknighting sometimes. scum wouldnt defend thier partners usually unless:
1- its reallyy close to lylo
2- scum team is about to go boom
3- YOLOAHAHAIDOWATIWANT
so you need to fill in the blanks for the defence
about jumping in lynches. that CAN be scummy btu it is not a 100% part. I dont think limiting options because of that part is good enough. also how fast did that person join town lynches? usually as scum u would never go half defending a teammate. u either go all in defending or all in busing when he is getting hit hard.
avoiding all lynches is null. maybe slightly town-leaning as my gut says
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:20 am
by ZZZX
Page 120 and... is it me or is MOTHSS kinda flailing? o/.O
am kinda confused.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:21 am
by ZZZX
Liking TSO by page 121. reminds me of Revolution Mafia already
It was only a one-shot deal. The vision didn't hit me until later that night. I knew then about the Black Thorn and who was behind the Apocalypse, but I couldn't see their faces. I was aware of where the power was, but didn't know who. Then Fred died and I didn't want that to be another awful thing in an awful world so I decided to use it... to make her death matter. And it worked. I'm in. I've seen the faces of evil in the Black Thorn. I know who the real powers in the Apocalypse are.
Spider Gwen was Angel, Town Hider killed Night 2
Dear Dad,
This is the difficult bit. If I got this right, you’re reading this a week after we left in the TARDIS. The thing is, we’re not coming back. We’re alive and well; stuck in New York, 50 years before I was born. I can’t come home again, I won’t ever see you and that breaks my heart. I’m so sorry, Dad. I thought about this for years and I realised, this is what I could do, I could write you a letter, tell you everything about how we lived, about how, despite it all, we were happy. But before I do, I need you to know, you are the best dad any son could have had. And for all the times I drove you mad and you drove me mad, all the times I snapped at you… I’m sorry. I miss everything about you, especially our awkward hugs. I bought a trough, we have a small yard, I garden. But one more important bit of business, the man who delivered the letter, Anthony.. be nice to him ‘cause his your grandson. We finally adopted in 1946: Anthony Brian Williams. He can tell you everything, he’ll have the family albums and I realise having a grandson who’s older than you is so far beyond weird but I'm sorry. I love you, Dad. I miss you.
Grapes was Rory Williams Vanilla Town, shot in the head Night 2
Jason: three questions for you. I'll understand if you can't answer them, but I don't think that any of them are questions you can't answer.
1. Hypothetically, if there existed a scumteam and a Serial Killer, and both have unique kill flavours, and they both successfully shot the same person during the same night, would one kill flavour supersede the other, or would they both be displayed (eg. player x was killed and left in a pool of blood), or would there be another scenario?
2. Hypothetically, if a Hider hid behind a player who was scum, what would the Hider's kill flavour be?
3. Hypothetically, if a Hider hid behind a town player who was killed, would the Hider's kill flavour be identical to the killed town player?
Thank you.
If there is really no other option, the traditional recommendation of Natural Action Resolution is to pick whichever of the conflicting actions comes first on the following list, and resolve it first:
1. Copy
2. Hide
3. Bus
4. Block
5. Redirect
6. Protect
7. Miscellaneous
8. Kill
9. Recruit
10. Inspect
Based on these items, it appears SG was killed outright, not via hiding. I think speculating on the target, if there even was one, is pointless at this time.
I think it is ironic though that I was one of the few who took the time to look for crumbs D3, and have been called out for it D4 by saying I was hesitant about Alch being the target, yet how many are taking the time to look at it now. Where were you guys D3....my suspicion, there are a number of scum that hopped on the Alch wagon D3.
At this time, I think that (the D3 wagon on alch), as well as a D1 vote analysis is the place to go. I'm not going to lie, I have not read most of D1 or all of D2 even yet. My goal is to start tracking votes from D1, to see who was against the Kling wagon and who was pushing alternate wagons, esp ones that have since flipped town.
I ask for some more time, as many of you know, I have a job, 4 young kids, and I usually don't play more than 1 game at a time. I have bit off more than I can chew with the prein to this game after having started another, but I have enough respect for Jason to not ask for a replacement in a 125 page game. So please be patient, and note that I can be of value late game. Most of you know my play.
Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:24 am
by I Am Innocent
crap that second jason post is missing his responses:
Jason: three questions for you. I'll understand if you can't answer them, but I don't think that any of them are questions you can't answer.
1. Hypothetically, if there existed a scumteam and a Serial Killer, and both have unique kill flavours, and they both successfully shot the same person during the same night, would one kill flavour supersede the other, or would they both be displayed (eg. player x was killed and left in a pool of blood), or would there be another scenario?
2. Hypothetically, if a Hider hid behind a player who was scum, what would the Hider's kill flavour be?
3. Hypothetically, if a Hider hid behind a town player who was killed, would the Hider's kill flavour be identical to the killed town player?
3. Yes. I believe so, that is how I would have flipped it.
Sorry for the delay in responding. Was trying to find the source links.
Last note - I will NEVER mod kill anyone for inactivity unless it is advertised as BAM ruleset I will always replace, unless it holds the game up in a night phase in an extreme manner (never happened) And as per rule 25, please don't ask for modkills.
