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I'm wondering if scum Cheeky would really act this thick.

In post 3095, profii wrote:2. CheekyTeeky calling my theory on this awkward - It comes over weird that you would discredit the idea of multiball if you were town

Lmfao I'm not discrediting multiball I'm discrediting you spewing that there are multiple groupscum. You are TMIing and now you're panicking. Both Gamma and Profii have omgused me when pushed on their spews.

In post 3100, Tails wrote:I'm wondering if scum Cheeky would really act this thick.

What?

In post 3066, BuJaber wrote:

In post 3027, DrewVa wrote:How am I a “victim of DGB’s mind control”? So, you’re saying that hypothetically, if we had a really strong SK read on someone, we should just ignore it and let them kill town, cuz that makes so much sense.

I was SK in Overkill 1 and I didn’t intentionally kill scum. We wrongly townread Thor. That’s right as SK, I only wanted to go after town early on but okay, SKs are great for town.

Did it ever occur to you, that SKs are also good for Mafia early on, because they increase the overall scum KP?

It’s posts like this one, why I don’t townread you here.

You are a victim because you don't see that she is scum here.

Yes in overkill 1 where we rounded up all the good little groupscum wolves and then lynched you when you were the only wolf cub left alive. So bad of town.

You can choose to hunt SKs first and scum later and see how well you do then report back to me after a reasonable number of games.

But if you want to know more about my reasoning consider this:
Can mafia win with SK alive? Yes
Can SKs win with mafia alive? No

Therefore game can end faster with a town loss if we hunt SKs and keep mafia alive. Hunting SKs is bad. Killing suspected SK before suspected scum is bad. The whole argument is about priority and there is a huge priority to lynching scum first ESPECIALLY that unless it is an open setup with a guaranteed SK we can't know for certain that there is one.

Okay, maybe you’re misunderstanding me then. I was never intending to suggest, we prioritize SK hunting over Mafia hunting. I think we just hunt scum in general. What I was saying is that, if we hypothetically were to have a strong consensus that X player is extremely likely to be an SK, we should still lynch them, because they’d be obvscum and you should 100% always lynch obvscum. Do you agree with that?

Wrt DGB, I consider scum to be both Mafia and SK. 3Ps w/o killing roles should never get anywhere near LYLO but they should be a low priority lynch until later in the game.

Oberkill 1, immediately ended after my lynch, with 3 3Ps w/o killing roles still left in the game.

In post 3082, CheekyTeeky wrote:

In post 3060, profii wrote:the !other-scum team are probably in there,

@Creature.

Btw @profii what’s with the random punctuation

I can't see how acting clueless about the likeliness of multiball or SKs would help you as scum.

In post 3091, Creature wrote:The best we can do is hope there's no more than two scumteams and no more than two antitown 3ps

What’s this about?

In post 3101, CheekyTeeky wrote:You are TMIing and now you're panicking

I don't panic

In post 3095, profii wrote:1. CheekyTeeky pushing gamma.
2. CheekyTeeky calling my theory on this awkward

1. How does pushing gamma make me scum?
2. I called your whole post + tone awkward - your "theory" I called a scumslip. No idea how this makes me scum.

In post 3107, profii wrote:

In post 3101, CheekyTeeky wrote:You are TMIing and now you're panicking

I don't panic

Then give me a real reason I'm scum apart from the fact I called you out.

In post 3073, Tails wrote:@Drew: Nero doesn't need you to protect him. That he's acting otherwise is suspect.

Thanks, noted.

In post 3093, CheekyTeeky wrote:

In post 3087, profii wrote:

In post 3082, CheekyTeeky wrote:

In post 3060, profii wrote:the !other-scum team are probably in there,

@Creature.

this is in the flip:

You still are a member of a group of kids forming a street gang, but are generally considered to be the Underdogs of this crime-infested "warzone" town. You do everything together, which should make things easier but at the same time

you have to face some serious new problems going against major crime forces, professional killers,

and law enforcement officers alike


that says to me !otherscum + serial killers

Gamma said this too. It strikes me as odd that you both jump to multi-team conclusions before a night where we can actually get real info. To take the flavour literally you'd also have to assume law enforcement officials being a serious problem means corrupt cops that are scum right? Like I just don't buy the assumptions you guys are making so confidently that you're now sorting the game this way.

Did I say the law enforcement had to be Town? No. You’re putting words into my mouth. Notice I said 2-3 when I brought it up? That accounts for the law enforcement being Town or another faction. As for professional killers being 1 or more SKs, cool, SKs are kinda a faction of their own because they can win together. I don’t remember if it’s only upon all players dying or if it’s just SKs remaining, but it’s a thing I know to be true.

In post 3108, CheekyTeeky wrote:

In post 3095, profii wrote:1. CheekyTeeky pushing gamma.
2. CheekyTeeky calling my theory on this awkward

1. How does pushing gamma make me scum?
2. I called your whole post + tone awkward - your "theory" I called a scumslip. No idea how this makes me scum.

1. makes you scum because I think there are better people to push than gamma, so given that 5 people were in favour of it, seems co-ordinated, i.e. by !otherscum
2. it fits neatly in my theory that I'm pushing - Gamma is the nominated mislynch by otherscum because his ISO includes some minor Chickadee associatives. So you saying that multiball is unlikely seems like I'm onto something.

can you clarify for me exactly what info I've TMI'd? (and bear in mind my answer is likely to be "I got that from the flip" just to give you a headstart)

In post 2505, Almost50 wrote:

Clemency was ...

Spoiler:

You are "Angelo 'Snaps' Provolone" (from: Oscar

1991

). You promised your dying father that you would give up your life of crime and "go straight". Oh, well.. promises are promises, right?

You still are a member of a group of kids forming a street gang, but are generally considered to be the Underdogs of this crime-infested "warzone" town. You do everything together, which should make things easier but at the same time you have to face some serious new problems going against major crime forces, professional killers, and law enforcement officers alike.

Your personal abilities are limited. You are a

Goon

of your gang. However, team play, skill and some luck are all you need to overcome the odds that appear to be very much against you.

"It's like disarming Germany."
"Of course I knew. I just had no idea!"

You win when you've eliminated all competition and subdued the Town.

Now how about you PM me back with your role so I know you understand it and are up for the task.

P.S. Just in case you need a fake claim at any point; you may claim "Gabe Walker" (from: Cliffhanger

1993

). You may claim your role to be a

Vanilla Townie

OR

a

Motion Detector

(depending on whether you're claiming early, so you won't corner yourself into having to provide results, or have been linked to a NK victim and want to justify your visit to them on the night they died.)

"Remember, shithead! Keep your arms and legs in the vehicle at all times!"

It's now Night 1. Deadline (expired on 2018-12-03 22:30:00)

Yes, Profii is correct. He didn’t “scumslip” here. Clem/Chick flip confirms it.

I find the idea that all the wagons are massively coordinated to be

I've changed my mind and I'm going to talk about my/our read on RR now.

Our townread on Nero is largely Regfan-lead, so he'd be much better off explaining that than me. We also both have concerns about Gamma despite an earlier townread on him.

However, it's Reasonably Rational that has my toes tingling.

It's Reasonably Rational that makes my palms all sweaty.

It's Reasonably Rational that inspires within me an insatiable lust for everyone's blood.

And here's why...

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Now for this section, 207 is important. Cerb does talk about how he is amazing at reading Amz which... okay sure we get it. But the key thing in this post is that he reveals his belief that Amz actually has reasonable experience in mafia and is probably quite competent. Keep this in mind for later.

Next in this story, we get to 879 and 884, which I can only honestly describe as a bit of a freak-out. Cerb attempts to defend himself in an elaborate way that's honestly a bit belittling and feels like an effort to just throw a whole lot of smoke at the idea of lynching RR until that idea goes away.

"pedit: AMZELA TRY TO LYNCH US IF YOU THINK WE'RE SCUM. That's just how the game should be played. I mean, you'll fail(I would expect us to top out at 8 votes at this stage in the day, 4 from people who have already expressed some inclination to be opposed to us, and 4 from people who don't care/are scum), but it could be a good exercise. <3"

^What even is with this seriously?

Well I know what I think. I think it's scum bravado.

1155 again just looks like an attempt to undermine the validity of Amz's read on them rather than actually talk things through with Amz in a sensible way. And is very inconsistent with 207! There's also no need to undermine Amzela's read on them as town. However, if RR is scum, having Amz scumread them is actually a concern. People might think "Amzela is scumreading the person she's dating! That seems legit!" RR has to hope that he can discredit Amz enough that people don't listen to her scumread on them.

I also think 2972 comes across as very showy. I'm pretty sure town-Cerb here just lets Amz take her V/LA and asks her for thoughts when she's returned from V/LA. This post seems much more likely designed to make it really look like Cerb REALLY CARES about sorting the Amz slot because of course he would want to sort that slot right? But the post itself is pointless and honestly kind of annoying given that Amz has just said she's on V/LA until the 7th.

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If I had to guess, I'd say that RR was scum with Chickadee/Clemency, but I wouldn't say that with much confidence. I am more confident in the fact that they are scum of some kind, whether it be with Chickadee/Clem or otherwise.

I think their approach to the Chick/Clem situation was pretty awkward. It could have been awkward because they were scum with Chick/Clem. It could have been awkward because they're just scum. Who knows? But it was pretty awkward.

Most concerning are posts like 1950 where he states he is waiting to hear Drixx's thoughts because he feels directionless, which honestly seems like an excuse to not engage with the Chick/Clem wagon in any kind of meaningful way. Particularly given that Cerb is not very hesitant to make thoughts/reads known during other periods of the game.

There is also 1954 where he gives a very half-hearted reason for not being excited about the Clem wagon.

"Pretty bad scum defense attempt if they are scum, and my standard BoP for strangers makes me feel that's more likely to come from town just not feeling like dealing with the shit their predecessor left for them."

... I am unconvinced.

Instead of doing anything useful or trying to actually work things out, the slot instead gets into an unproductive argument with DrewVa about why it was important for Toog to hammer. Sure, I agree, what DrewVa was saying didn't make complete sense. But DrewVa is someone that's a really easy pressure target for scum, because while DrewVa is veryveryvery likely town, if you argue with them in the right kind of way they will probably end up looking bad from it and you will look like you're doing ~stuff~. Win-win! My issue is that they didn't show nearly as much interest in actually working out whether the likely lynch was going to be on scum or not. Probably because they either didn't really care either way, or because they already knew.

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2581 conveniently completely misses the possibility that Chickadee wasn't actually trying to link herself to Toogeloo in the previously quoted post, which was always going to be the most likely possibility.

2614 is not good. I would be less concerned if RR just told Toogeloo to get himself modkilled. Instead we get this reasonable- and rational- sounding post that is pretty pointless because players are naturally not going to want to get themselves modkilled?

But the above things in isolation are not overly concerning. What is worse is the reaction afterwards.

2656 is a really over-detailed explanation and reeks of over-compensating for the fact that they are obviously going to look bad after what happened.

It also should be noted that no-where in toog's role PM did it actually state that the day would continue after he was modkilled, nor did we have any reason to believe that.

2660 again just seems like a show, and again over-compensation. 2614 implies they weren't sure what toog's alignment was. 2660 gives the impression that they had this massive scumread on toog and just absolutely can't believe that he was town. Which was it?

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Please can we lynch them? It would be even more fun than lynching Chickadee/Clemency was. I promise!

-DV

In post 3084, RCEnigma wrote:I didn't imply you wanted to Lynch RR, but if you don't then why are we still talking about Toog. Does it suck that he was forced to flip? Yes. Did I want him to flip today? Without a case predicated on Clemencys self vote...maybe. but that wasn't strong enough for me to want to flip him today.

Is it better that he flipped himself early rather than let town Duke it out on who's right or wrong, waste a large portion of the day, and miss out on hunting the ACTUAL scum connections? Imo yes.

No, him actual scum, would have been the best thing for town, because then he’d be confirmed and still alive and we’d have lynched scum.

I'm really confused right now and it's late. I'll refute all of Profii's crap tomorrow. But honestly read that whole post that triggered me and tell me it didn't ping you.

In post 3096, BuJaber wrote:

In post 3094, Creature wrote:Not sure if A50 would go "wow there are 3 antitown players dying, I'm gonna mysteriously save one of them"

Huh.. what is this in response to?

To the rule I mentioned in post 3092

In post 3103, DrewVa wrote:Okay, maybe you’re misunderstanding me then. I was never intending to suggest, we prioritize SK hunting over Mafia hunting. I think we just hunt scum in general. What I was saying is that, if we hypothetically were to have a strong consensus that X player is extremely likely to be an SK, we should still lynch them, because they’d be obvscum and you should 100% always lynch obvscum. Do you agree with that?

If there was no consensus over who else is scummy then yes. Like it becomes a judgement call where say we have someone who is 100% flipping SK, and we have someone else who is say 80% flipping scum, I'd probably still favor the 80%. But if people are really unsure and the risk of mislynching becomes higher then yeah you lynch the SK.

What do you make of Cheeky v Profii?

Personally I'm surprised Tails is saying Cheeky is being thick here. I felt that her point was pretty obvious. The way profii talked about the push on clem and gamma makes it sound like he's saying "other scum than me".

Profii's reaction to Cheeky makes me think it was just a misunderstanding, but I feel like cheeky's concern was valid and profii should have seen it and acknowledged it.

As for the push on Gamma that really depends on Gamma's flip. I haven't liked his contribution to this game much but the emotional posting recently is really working on me.

Pedit - hoooo let me read that

"all competition" is definitely multiball

In post 3101, CheekyTeeky wrote:

In post 3095, profii wrote:2. CheekyTeeky calling my theory on this awkward - It comes over weird that you would discredit the idea of multiball if you were town

Lmfao I'm not discrediting multiball I'm discrediting you spewing that there are multiple groupscum. You are TMIing and now you're panicking. Both Gamma and Profii have omgused me when pushed on their spews.

Cheeky, it literally says it in the Clem flip. Profii did not scumslip. So, no. He did not TMI.

@Bujabs: That wasn't the first time Cheeky showed confusion over the likelihood of multiball.

In post 3119, BuJaber wrote:it was just a misunderstanding, but I feel like cheeky's concern was valid

explaino pleaseo?

I mean, if you want to talk about the awkwardness of phrasing in profii's post, fine. But saying there's another scum team is not a scum slip if the fact is almost guaranteed given the theme.