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because i didn't
i do agree that i would try to slip in something like that as scum, but i also as town didn't think about such things

i probably would not have cleared titus, i think i would have cleared ari / gl / coral / meuh (if town?) / i'm not sure the fifth
maybe titus would have been the fifth if i couldn't think of anyone better but not like super high on the list of people that i would want to clear

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why do u think i bussed pav again?

pedit @isis

In post 3099, Coral wrote:

In post 2728, skitter30 wrote:I initally started off townreading marci and tuf and kinda gamma
I waa then scumreading like all
In the last irl day or two i've gone back to thinking marci/tuf are probably town and that i have no compelling reason to sr gamma or flip him

Skitter, what brought you from this to voting Faker in 2954? And also, you say here that you were scumreading all of them at some point earlier, can you point out when that was specifically for Gamma?

gamma had a couple of posts that i thought were townie for him (346, conviction about his cake read and the meta he said on it, 971), but it was never a strong read (and i believe i've said that at least twelve times)
it wasn't really him, more how he was the popular scumread when i didn't see why he was scummy either

i didn't like faker's entrance but when i thought abt it some more i changed my mind / am unsure if it's scum-indicative for her

In post 3100, skitter30 wrote:because i didn't
i do agree that i would try to slip in something like that as scum, but i also as town didn't think about such things

i probably would not have cleared titus, i think i would have cleared ari / gl / coral / meuh (if town?) / i'm not sure the fifth
maybe titus would have been the fifth if i couldn't think of anyone better but not like super high on the list of people that i would want to clear

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why do u think i bussed pav again?

pedit @isis

To strengthen my confbias through adversity

I knew all of that already, I was kinda hoping for more detail. The quoted post implies that you scumread gamma at some point, am I misinterpreting? And what about Faker's entrance did you not like, specifically?

it is unfortunate for your read that my play wrt pav doesn't look like partners ...

not really sure i have much else to add if you're basically telling me that your read boils down to confbias that you don't particularly seem to care to re-examine in light of new information

pedit @isis

I'm scum who thought about the setup and an escape isn't that different from confirming 5 obvtowns as towns and a successful Lim

I don't actually interpret the bus as scummy I just dunno if I care

Like 1 limmable person got cleared and the bussers stock goes waaaaay up

Kinda straightforward

Same applies to meuh or fake but meuh p town

Faker has a poorer wagon seat admittedly

I consider her stock similar to yours

Your vote on her is kewl

In post 3103, Coral wrote:I knew all of that already, I was kinda hoping for more detail. The quoted post implies that you scumread gamma at some point, am I misinterpreting? And what about Faker's entrance did you not like, specifically?

no, i wasn't really scumreading gamma
i was lightly townreading him and suspicious of the fact that he kept on getting wagoned, which to me seems not-scum-indicative

what sort of detail would you like?

wrt faker: 2950 (that seems like a weird thought for someone town to have)
dislike that she started pushing marci out of the gate (which is probably one of the easier flips to get ...), esp. since her initial read on her was 'town with not a lot of confidence' (2692) , and has her as 'kinda town' in 2891
and then after i voted her 2695 and 2696 were pre-emptively defensive / trying to demonstrate how she's not a pav partner when nobody had really brought that up
(also kinda similar to what meuh is trying to do in 3089

In post 3107, Isis wrote:Faker has a poorer wagon seat admittedly

I consider her stock similar to yours

Your vote on her is kewl

i mean i'm not anymore, now i'm voting meuh
but faker is probably the second person i'd push

Ok stop pushing obvtown then I'll like u

i mean i don't think they're obvtown, their behavior yesterday was p much exactly what a pav partner would be doing

Meuh has been visibly thinking about the game all day

She has had that "I was thinking about this game after my podcast ended on my drive to work" energy altho I think she's a full-time student look it's a metaphor

Thanks for the Faker reasoning. I think some of your post numbers are wrong, but I know the ones you're referring to. Did anything specific change your mind, or do you just find Meuh scummier now?

In post 3108, skitter30 wrote:what sort of detail would you like?

What did you mean by the second line here?

In post 2728, skitter30 wrote:I initally started off townreading marci and tuf and kinda gamma
I waa then scumreading like all

when you say 'all day' you mean this phase?
because i would argue that she has not been visibly thinking abou tthe game all day
or at least would ask u that quote posts where you think she's been doing that

I meant all game my brain did a rhyme she's not impressive this day phase

@coral, ah you're right, the 'kinda town' post was 2861

and wrt the latter half of that quote: perhaps i worded it badly, imeant more like: i found marci/tuf/gamma (+ pav) to be in a sort of group where it would be hard to pick out scum, and they were being treated very similarly from most of the game, and i was having a hard time deciding which of them i wanted to vote and which i wanted to confident say was town

In post 3090, skitter30 wrote:whta do u think it's subsequent impact on the game is ?

Pretty sure my vote (and Beat's reaction to the vote) played a significant role in making Pav!scum a more relevant idea

I guess that also means it fueled the Beat mislim because of that associative? I know the idea of them being scum together also motivated my vote significantly

your initial vote was right before the sundress party + gamma wagon thing, i don't think your vote was pivotal at all
he didn't get flipped day1
by the time day2 came around quite a few people were scumreading him, and you spent quite a while offwagon while it was happening

like pointing to a vote made 100 pages ago / early day1 as anti-partner-y when you stayed offwagon while the wagon was building day2 is kinda ?

In post 3118, skitter30 wrote:your initial vote was right before the sundress party + gamma wagon thing, i don't think your vote was pivotal at all
he didn't get flipped day1
by the time day2 came around quite a few people were scumreading him, and you spent quite a while offwagon while it was happening

like pointing to a vote made 100 pages ago / early day1 as anti-partner-y when you stayed offwagon while the wagon was building day2 is kinda ?

It's just not a play I make 300 posts into the game on my partner but ig that's not really that compelling

...okay, I think Ari is just right, I don't think that interaction between Gamma and Pav looks paired. Back to the drawing board

Skitter my reason for TRing meuh is pretty pav associative why don't you care about it

In post 3111, skitter30 wrote:i mean i don't think they're obvtown, their behavior yesterday was p much exactly what a pav partner would be doing

In post 3112, Isis wrote:Meuh has been visibly thinking about the game all day

She has had that "I was thinking about this game after my podcast ended on my drive to work" energy altho I think she's a full-time student look it's a metaphor

i mean i thought this is why you were townreading her, if you think she's town because of her pav associative's i'd love to hear why

Looking at the d1 VCs, Pav spent a majority of the time not voting anyone and not seeming to have any care in the world about affecting the gamestate. I thought that the way he joined the Gamma wagon but then hopped off when it got too large felt like it could be partner-y, but he made no attempt to join a counter, and continued to not do as as Meuh and Cakez wagons rose and fell. It's very possible he was just... at the beach, or had a strongly positioned partner controlling things, but I think that's some slight townpoints to both of those slots for me.

In post 2051, Meuh wrote:Ugh 2041 seems genuine
VOTE: Pavowski
I think this is better

In post 2055, Meuh wrote:

In post 2054, Isis wrote:Oh I was also thinking about meuh's post

Do you think Pavowski is scummier individually or more vca, flow of the tides.

To me he's scummy in a circumstantial way if that makes any sense?
The general position he's in, the way he has interacted with others and others have treated him, the feeling of some people being aware of him being scummy, while some seem to prefer ignoring his existence, I guess. It all makes me uneasy.

On an individual basis I also feel iffy about him.
I don't recall ever reading a Pav post and thinking "yeah, this was probably written by a townie"; which I've felt with I'd say most of the players in this game, even other people I do or have scumread. Like I would have to dig a bit for it, but I feel like I've had moments with people like GL, Gamma or you in that way. Not really with Pav.

In post 2062, marcistar wrote:

In post 2059, SirCakez wrote:

In post 2031, marcistar wrote:just elim me if u guys want to so badly
like im not gonna really fight it i dont have the motivation for that

This feels pretty fake..

elim me then......

do it do it

In post 2067, skitter30 wrote:

In post 2031, marcistar wrote:just elim me if u guys want to so badly
like im not gonna really fight it i dont have the motivation for that

In post 2034, marcistar wrote:like its true

idrc for being forced to give reads
even so, i dont even knowwhat my reads are rn, im so confused abt everything and i was purposely trying to fade out yeah.

Ok this is like precisely scummy for marci >.>

In post 2074, skitter30 wrote:Marci's stuff from like irl today (i.e. refusing to give reads, losing energy when pushed) i think is actually pretty prototypical of her scumgame

@ ari honestly even if i dont necessarily want to flip him i'm not opposed to wagoniing him and seeing what happens

(Yes i'm aware i'm talking abt marci here too, i'm kinda ok with both now)

Pedit >.>

In post 2075, skitter30 wrote:Ahhhh ok lets try it
VOTE: pavowski

In post 2079, marcistar wrote:

In post 2074, skitter30 wrote:losing energy when pushed) i think is actually pretty prototypical of her scumgame

i lost energy even before i was pushed tbhs but sure lets say its because i got pushed :kekw:

This is apparently the stuff from the initial creation of the Pavowski wagon

Faker do you see why killing meuh sooner than both skitter and Marci would be w.ild to me