League of Legends (Old)

[chesskid3]

Maybe an aram build.

[MrZepher]

he only has 2 offensive spells and uses mana.
As far as 1v1 goes two of his spells serve the same purpose, and he's pretty short range.

playing him as anything other than a support is silly.

[JasonWazza]

I mean, if you were planning on your jungler camping you at top, then Braum may be a decent pick, but otherwise he really needs to be a support.

Though apparently he works decently as a jungle (not one of the best though).

[chesskid3]

I mean I am aware he functions lategame as a support, but the idea behind him is similar to the idea of mid raka. You still act as a support in teamfights, except in top lane braum's case, if he could survive lane and get mad money, he would be huge, have a bork and be unkillable. He scales so well with AS + bork passive and active is great for peeling for adc too, along with his passive oh my god it's a monster

[JasonWazza]

If being the key word.

[animorpherv1]

Nonono, jungle braum is.qorse than top lane braum - shit clear times, unreliabe cc pre-6, and a hella long ult.cd.

You can't farm or.gank.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Though apparently he works decently as a jungle (not one of the best though).

dat waveclear amiright

[GreyICE]

Oh god is it time for another issue of "bad players playing obvious support champions in terrible positions with no plans for how they will build or skill to overcome obvious glaring weaknesses?" I thought we were done with that after the Nami debacle.

[ZZZX]

Oh god is it time for another issue of "bad players playing obvious support champions in terrible positions with no plans for how they will build or skill to overcome obvious glaring weaknesses?" I thought we were done with that after the Nami debacle.

About that. Anyone tried leona top/mid/jungle? They say her passive is not there but her burst still wins lanes.

I tried it many many times.

[JasonWazza]

Though apparently he works decently as a jungle (not one of the best though).

dat waveclear amiright

Which is why he doesn't work in solo lanes, and why i said apparently.

I actually saw one mid, that won lane cause Sion jungle camped his lane (i was bot lane while it happened) he was decent until he was always on his tower and not getting any CS.

Nonono, jungle braum is.qorse than top lane braum - shit clear times, unreliabe cc pre-6, and a hella long ult.cd.

You can't farm or.gank.

Instant gap close, and a somewhat reliable stun/slow is why he sort of works in jungle, only sort of.

Mind you the person who said he was somewhat decent didn't have an answer for when i said "Why not just go Vi?"

Watching Braum's in solo lanes is entertaining, watching as they get no where clearing waves and wondering why they are so behind in CS.

[animorpherv1]

Nonono, jungle braum is.qorse than top lane braum - shit clear times, unreliabe cc pre-6, and a hella long ult.cd.

You can't farm or.gank.

Instant gap close, and a somewhat reliable stun/slow is why he sort of works in jungle, only sort of.

Mind you the person who said he was somewhat decent didn't have an answer for when i said "Why not just go Vi?"

Watching Braum's in solo lanes is entertaining, watching as they get no where clearing waves and wondering why they are so behind in CS.

Don't listen to me - listen to foxdroplol, who's high Diamond in EU.

[JasonWazza]

Don't listen to me - listen to foxdroplol, who's Diamond in EU.

Again, Sort of.

[animorpherv1]

Don't listen to me - listen to foxdroplol, who's Diamond in EU.

Again, Sort of.

Then why play a "sort of"? Play characters to their strengths, not their weaknesses. Braum's kit relies around his allies and protecting his allies. As a jungler, he can't do that because he's not near his allies.

Also, since I never fully replied to your comment before:

1) Gap closer - Unless your allies are within autoattack range of the enemy, this doesn't count. Plus you have no way (aside from flash) to catch up to an escaping target.

2) His Q - blocked by minions, making it unreliable to hit unless the laner cleared the minion wave first (and this is soloQ, not happening).

[JasonWazza]

I never said play him, but he does sort of work in jungle, like a Vi with less of everything.

1) you don't need them in AA range you need them in Q range, not to mention Minions need to be in AA/Q range.

2) don't hit minions? (Like every skillshot blocked by minions)

[Klazam]

Don't listen to me - listen to foxdroplol, who's Diamond in EU.

Again, Sort of.

Then why play a "sort of"? Play characters to their strengths, not their weaknesses. Braum's kit relies around his allies and protecting his allies. As a jungler, he can't do that because he's not near his allies.

Also, since I never fully replied to your comment before:

1) Gap closer - Unless your allies are within autoattack range of the enemy, this doesn't count. Plus you have no way (aside from flash) to catch up to an escaping target.

2) His Q - blocked by minions, making it unreliable to hit unless the laner cleared the minion wave first (and this is soloQ, not happening).

his E's speed boost is a way to catch up lol

But i agree- Support braun only braun

[animorpherv1]

I never said play him, but he does sort of work in jungle, like a Vi with less of everything.

1) you don't need them in AA range you need them in Q range, not to mention Minions need to be in AA/Q range.

2) don't hit minions? (Like every skillshot blocked by minions)

If jungle Braum is a worse version of Vi, play Vi and not Braum in the jungle.

1) If you use your W to an ally behind minions, you won't hit your Q and you won't be able to autoattack. If you use your W on a melee minion, you better have your E up because you're going to get focused down and killed/forced to base otherwise.

2) Yeah, tell this to Nidalee. Fact of the matter is in every game you WILL accidentally Q a minion at least once.

[PJ.]

I saw a braum do well from the jungle but i think that was indicative of low skill level in the game as a whole than Braum's jungle strength.

[JasonWazza]

If jungle Braum is a worse version of Vi, play Vi and not Braum in the jungle.

1) If you use your W to an ally behind minions, you won't hit your Q and you won't be able to autoattack. If you use your W on a melee minion, you better have your E up because you're going to get focused down and killed/forced to base otherwise.

2) Yeah, tell this to Nidalee. Fact of the matter is in every game you WILL accidentally Q a minion at least once.

Team comp reasons?

Because what Braum does is add a second support, and a tank, which leaves the actual support open to choosing to be a poke support.

1) Not what i meant, you W to where you can easily get a shot at the enemy with your Q

2) Agreed you have to be good with the skillshots, but generally speaking, a decent player should be able to position themselves to get a good shot off on the enemy.

[animorpherv1]

If you want a tank in the jungle, pick amumu. Best tank jungler in the current meta. If you want a support jungler, pick Morgana. If you want a tanky support jungler, Leona's ganks are damn good, but she suffers with slow clears.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I need to vary my champ pool

Soraka
Ryze
Karthus

Only champions I have any interest in playing right now :\

[JasonWazza]

If you want a tank in the jungle, pick amumu. Best tank jungler in the current meta. If you want a support jungler, pick Morgana. If you want a tanky support jungler, Leona's ganks are damn good, but she suffers with slow clears.

You realize i'm not saying his the best, i'm just saying he does work, and there can be reasons to have picked him.

I need to vary my champ pool

Soraka
Ryze
Karthus

Only champions I have any interest in playing right now :\

I tend to have times where i do that, then i just roll a few ARAM's, or wait till a new free week, but i do always find my way back to my main few champs.

[animorpherv1]

If you want a tank in the jungle, pick amumu. Best tank jungler in the current meta. If you want a support jungler, pick Morgana. If you want a tanky support jungler, Leona's ganks are damn good, but she suffers with slow clears.

You realize i'm not saying his the best, i'm just saying he does work, and there can be reasons to have picked him.

And I'm syaing that there are better junglers for literally every situation, so you shouldn't pick him ever for jungler.

[Saki]

I saw top Braum in a ranked game in Plat. He destroyed our Irelia.

I saw another top Braum in a normal game. He was 0/4 and level four by the time our Renekton hit 6.

tl;dr If you're good you can do whatever the fuck you want

[chesskid3]

or you know, if your irelia doesnt suck

[xRECKONERx]

To be fair, top lane Braum isn't AWFUL. Jungle Braum IS.