Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[Furcolow]

You guys need to wake up to who is getting lynched
it has been all town
let me pick a random lynch target and i guarantee i will hit scum

[Triglav]

Very much agree with hito about how lynches flitter away - we weep for Baby Spice lynch that refuses to happen.

But we should refer to Baby Spice and Kunk more often, because Baby Spice in particular, but also Kunk, were read as very scummy yesterday, and it's important that we don't forget about Baby Spice and Kunk

We are interested in your Baby Spice and Kunk merchandise and wish to receive your Baby Spice and Kunk newsletter or periodical of monthly publication. (though mostly for Baby Spice - wasn't the Kunk case about Kunk being MoI buddy?)

Was actually still pretty excited by Spyrex wagon.
But Seacore hit very solid point about graverob plan issue (heck, any point that makes Benmage slow down is a *solid* point indeed)
Triglav endorses lynch of ElG at this point.
Forget who said it now, but pointing out curiosity that is xvart/Baby Spice combo actions on now known town/murderer MoI is very good point. We weep for having to give up one of them, but combo is there.
Wish more people had gone murderer this game - want less people alive.

Triglav will once again dramatically disagree with everything outlined in graverob plan, but, as usual, only does so to be considered special and unique snowflake.
We shall not do any grave robbing that interferes with outlined plot.

Would actually like all furc talk to die for now.
What purpose served by this?
Oh, right, more pages.

[Triglav]

let me pick a

random

lynch target and i

guarantee

i will hit scum

We loves you furc.
But no.

[Baby Spice]

I cheered when Xvart anounced that he had stalked Furc.
Until I actually sent in my night action just before the deadline I was going to do the same thing myself. (Searched for books instead)
I decided that Furc hadn't actually messed with the grave robs themselves, just messed with the planning a little, and thus my justification vanished.

I was willing to polish the knife for Xvart and encourage him to go through with it. That a confirmed Xvart sure as hell beats a confirmed Furc.

I am better, the cult would actually kill you

That's actually a valid point.

[Furcolow]

I know it is.

[Seacore]

So Furc, your selling point is that you are so crap that the cult won't kill you, but xvart, who could be dangerous to cult, would be killed? This is your defence?

[Percy]

Vote Count

*whisper whisper*

El Goosuki - 8

(El Goosuki, Wraith, Trilobite, SpyreX, hitorogoshi, Baby Spice, kunkstar7, Seacore,

Furcolow

)

SpyreX - 3

(Benmage, VasudeVa, Andrius)

xvart - 2

(

Furcolow

, AurorusVox, Furcolow)

Benmage - 1

(totallynotmafia)

Feysal - 1

(nopointinactingup)

Not Voting (8) - (

AurorusVox

, Feysal, Iecerint, Nicodemus, Plum,

Seacore

, Triglav, VP Baltar, Wickedestjr, xvart)

With 23 alive, 12 votes secures a Lynch.

[AurorusVox]

AV, you did not claim your CD3.

Did it way back before my V/LA.

Not sure if your El G points were for me personally or not? I agree El G needs to swing, but want to make sure we're ready for it this time.

---

He's admitted that he won't follow through because we're bleeding numbers at the moment.

No, no, no. I am not seeing this pitiful excuse work on TWO players now. Everyone let Benmage get away with claiming stalk and not proving it by murdering. I will NOT see that same bullshit used to defend someone else. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO MURDER, DO NOT STALK. We were "bleeding numbers" when he DECIDED to stalk. So that excuse is utter crap.

The fact that xvart wants to back out of murdering (i.e. so he can say "oh, that insanity, it was from stalking NOTTHERITUALNOREALLYIMEANIT") screams scumscumscum. I actually liked Hito's plan because I want to call xvart's bluff (i.e. to be clear, I don't condone murdering Furc, but I know that it would NOT end up with murdered Furc because xvart is cult and can't murder). But let's get this straight: xvart is

not

killing, right?

---

Maybe I'm getting triple snuk'd and its cult claiming a stalk hoping they don't get called on it but runnin strong

I really doubt that is the case

.

Why? We've

already

let Benmage get away with doing exactly that. It's not a leap to assume we'd do it again.

Note, the xvart line can be changed from "why stalk 99.99% confirmed town" to "why cower" AND ITS THE SAME THING.

Well, maybe that's why I said that I'm willing to put El G at L-1 when we've got our plans straight? And, in fact, "why cower" is not the same, since cower isn't an ACTIVE action, but a PASSIVE one that is forced upon you. You don't CHOOSE to cower. It happens when you choose nothing else.

Thus, the only way Ice could not be bloody AND have targeted FT AND FT could have died is if the Resuscitate action itself failed.

^Acknowledging the compelling evidence in favour of FT res.

[VP Baltar]

I vote we lynch El G today, lynch xvart tomorrow (provided N3 doesn't drastically change things)

Why hello chain lynches. I agree El G has got to go today as a simple result of their claimed failure to actually play the game, but I'm not down for considering xvart's lynch a foregone conclusion, especially when you have people like Spyrex and BS hanging around as well. I take it you believe the Furpants rez story?

re: Furpants rezzing maestro - It is a possibility, but I'm not sure if I entirely believe it. If El G wasn't a necessity lynch today, I'd probably still consider lynching Spyrex.

re: graverob plan - I definitely think SpyreX should be on it and I'm fine with Trilobite and, to a lesser extent, Seacore being there. I've done some thinking about potentially forcing me to grave rob a lot just because I think the cult would potentially leave me alone if I had a shit ton of insanities and couldn't commune or stalk them, but ultimately it might be best to distribute the insanities evenly among town players. I can't really commune tonight because I'm too far ahead in the count atm for most players, so it would probably be worthwhile to establish the new zero around 1 or 2 insanities for people.

re: xvart's kill - I'm comfortably residing in hito's camp. I don't really believe that xvart has the capability of going through with it, but it's ultimately furcolow's decision depending on what he's willing to risk. If xvart had to force the cult to kill furc tonight to save his skin...well I could think of much worse targets for them to off. On the other hand, it's a sticky situation because we can't really afford to stupidly lose an investigator and it's all but certain that Furc is that. It's probably best that he doesn't do it, even if there is a strong chance he couldn't.

You guys need to wake up to who is getting lynched
it has been all town
let me pick a random lynch target and i guarantee i will hit scum

lol. I like you if only for your sheer insanity. Also, we cut the murderer off at the knees yesterday, so it was definitely not a mislynch.

re: claiming night actions - I don't really think everyone should be claiming every night action they take. That's kind of giving the scum the playbook isn't it? I don't really care for you bringing it up Seacore I was starting to trust you a lot more, but that's pretty shady man.

I'll withhold my El G vote until we're all good and ready to end this thing.

--preview--

I will NOT see that same bullshit used to defend someone else. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO MURDER, DO NOT STALK. We were "bleeding numbers" when he DECIDED to stalk. So that excuse is utter crap.

This is a pretty fair point by AV, though I would say that he might have thought MoI was cult. I certainly did until the flip this morning. So the exact extent of the bleeding could have been improperly assessed at the time of stalkage.

Why? We've already let Benmage get away with doing exactly that. It's not a leap to assume we'd do it again.

This is true. It'd be a ballsy choice by scum, but we did establish a precedent the day before. Ugh, it's so damn risky if we're wrong though. It won't be the end of the world, but we're going to be getting close too being too tight for comfort if xvart actually is town and kills him.

[AurorusVox]

As far as I understand Hito's plan:
-If xvart is town and kills Furc, we've gotten confirmed-town in xvart (and he can be res'd to endgame).
-If xvart is scum and kills Furc - or if Furc does not die at all - we've gotten confirmed-scum in xvart (and he can be lynched tomorrow).
-The only issue is whether or not Furc wants to/can be trusted to use his res-kit and potentially sacrifice himself for the town.

[VP Baltar]

-If xvart is scum and kills Furc - or if Furc does not die at all - we've gotten confirmed-scum in xvart (and he can be lynched tomorrow).

This isn't unequivocally true unfortunately. Scum could gambit a kill on Furc to set up town xvart potentially. It comes down to how confident you are in your read of xvart scum.

[AurorusVox]

Howso? If Furc res'es, he cannot be saved from death, and so his death flavour would read "murdered" and thus we would know that xvart followed through and was confirmed town.

[VasudeVa]

V/LA for a few.

Spy's "MAYBE FURPANTS RESURRECTED ME" sounds awfully like something discussed somewhere. Listen closely enough, and you'll hear the whispers. By using this defense he can actually make a good unprovable WIFOM-defense...without outing his resurector buddy. I'd actually say that this is the best defense SpyreX could come up with. In the mean time, he hasn't addressed my concerns with his full on EL-G tunnel without much scumhunting anywhere else and his ultra useless argument with AV(again, absolutely NOTHING came out from that argument.).

Actually, I suddenly remembered that I investigated Plum primarily because she was trying to look like she's being helpful without actually being helpful. Which leads me to: Spy/Plum/AV scum, in order of likelihood. BANK IT.

[VP Baltar]

Howso? If Furc res'es, he cannot be saved from death, and so his death flavour would read "murdered" and thus we would know that xvart followed through and was confirmed town.

Yeah, you're correct. NM then. If furc is up for rezzing tonight and risking his life, it's a good plan.

[El Goosuki]

I'm going to help you catch one more filthy cultist on my wagon.

UNVOTE: El Goosuki

-DGB

[AurorusVox]

[off-topic]
Don't know if anyone will care but I got engaged on Saturday! ^-^
[/off-topic]

Congrats! ~Mod.

[VP Baltar]

Congrats AV! That's big news.

[Iecerint]

No, Andy's point is that he believes Furc is attempting the murderer win condition and thus needs to be killed by town.

If that is Andy's point, then Andy is a total dummy rather than being scummy.

Andy, is this your point? If so, why do you think that's the case?

This is an important distinction to my belief that Furc is attempting the investigator win condition but is jeopardising it by being Furc, and thus needs to be killed by town.

The second argument can be disagreed with by saying "Town should never kill town, no matter what", however, the first argument still stands after this.

It can also be disagreed with by saying "Given that we think killing VI-type players is justified, Furco is NOT the preeminent VI we should think about killing." For example: ElG, xvart, BM. The disproportionate focus on discrediting Furco, especially when he's been well-behaved relative to both his meta and to other players, makes me very uncomfortable.

[Furcolow]

-If xvart is scum and kills Furc - or if Furc does not die at all - we've gotten confirmed-scum in xvart (and he can be lynched tomorrow).

This isn't unequivocally true unfortunately. Scum could gambit a kill on Furc to set up town xvart potentially. It comes down to how confident you are in your read of xvart scum.

I am 100% certain that he is investigator and is being an idiot and this is the scenario cult want to play out, simply to kill xvart and laugh about it at the same time.

[hitogoroshi]

Real quick because I NEED TO MAKE SURE I AM RIGHT:

My post above regarding rez. Correct yes/no?

Yes.

If Iecerint is telling the truth about rezzing and not being bloody, we can be be 100% certain Furpants_Tom used Resuscitate last night.

I am more suspicious of hito and Seacore after reading the last few pages. Villifying Furco is senseless and cannot serve any purpose other than to set up a despair-based mislynch down the line.

the fuck are you talking about? I've been yelling at xvart, not Furc. The only reason I want xvart to go through is because I think he's lying to us. Sadly, it looks like we're tabling that plan. :/ Though I suppose the thread has shown that the idea "HERP DERPS LETS KILL A TOWNIE BECAUSE HE IS UNPREDICTABLE" is something a lot of people think is a good idea for some godawful reason.

You do realize that the murderer WC is 3 successful murders...I have 0. I already said I am laundering tonight and desire to be investigated.

Making sure we're clear - psychopathy happens after two murders, WHETHER OR NOT THEY SUCCEED. Just making sure you don't stalk anyone else. I know the murderer WC is successes, and you're not going to be able to win on it, but I just want to make sure you don't derp up and grab pyschopathy, since in my view you're pretty close to confirmed (unless Spyrex and you are cult-buddies in cahoots, which would make your subsequent push pretty odd.)

A good and wise man.

Although, PERSONALLY, if one of the wonder twins had to go first I'd go Ben but.

yo spy what happened to you last night

New reference inbound, stay tuned...

[VP Baltar]

-If xvart is scum and kills Furc - or if Furc does not die at all - we've gotten confirmed-scum in xvart (and he can be lynched tomorrow).

This isn't unequivocally true unfortunately. Scum could gambit a kill on Furc to set up town xvart potentially. It comes down to how confident you are in your read of xvart scum.

I am 100% certain that he is investigator and is being an idiot and this is the scenario cult want to play out, simply to kill xvart and laugh about it at the same time.

Why do you want to lynch him then? If he's investigator, he simply shouldn't kill you and he shouldn't be lynched for it. End of story.

[Furcolow]

need to teach people a lesson on not providing your targets before, wards be damned

[hitogoroshi]

Welcome to the Investigator’s Reference, a guide to help you make the right decisions and get your information out in a way that’s easily readable for your fellow investigators. Because there are actions that would benefit cultists and murderers if they could get away with them,

ignorance of the law is no excuse

, so make sure you read it thoroughly! In particular,

pay special attention to the banned insanity list!

Spoiler: What action should I take tonight?

This is a terrible night to take

Cower

or

Launder

. Because you’re not bloody, both of these will give you an insanity with no benefit. Remember, you must claim every action that gives you an insanity, so if you neglect to send in a night action and end up cowering, you must claim it in your first post or you will be lynched!

This is a mediocre night to

Search

for equipment. It's better to use equipment rather than search for it, especially because rez kits might get lost by you turning bloody if you sit on them too long.

This is a mediocre night to

Ward

someone. There have been many chances for cult to craft fetishes, and the list of players who we know don't have fetishes crafted of them is very short:

Those Without Fetishes

Benmage
Iecerint

Do not take the

Rob Grave

option. The town will be selecting their graverobber or graverobbers in thread, and interfering will only get you a needless insanity. This is NOT a valid excuse for having a higher-than-expected insanity count, so don’t do it!

This is an excellent night to choose the

Resuscitate

option. The following players are in danger of being killed:

At Risk Townies

Andrius
AurorusVox
Baby Spice
El Goosuki
Feysal
Furcolow
hitorogoshi
kunkstar7
nopointinactingup
Plum
Seacore
SpyreX
totallynotmafia
Triglav
Trilobite
VasudeVa
VP Baltar
Wickedestjr
Wraith
xvart

Chose your town-reads from that list and protect one, preferably randomly to make it more difficult for the scum to plan their nk. Remember too that the scum have access to the

Greater Ritual

, so don’t worry about choosing a target because “someone else might pick them too.” Stacking Resuscitates can be useful. Regardless of your decision, do NOT announce it in thread before we go to night.

Investigation

is a useful choice. While launder resolves before investigation, murderers and cultbags would love to get away with not wasting an action on laundering. Punish them for it!

Do not chose

Stalk

or

Murder

. While stalking and murderering can confirm a town, it’s best to do it on a later day when the murderer wincon is virtually impossible to achieve for someone starting out. All plans regarding stalking and murdering while remaining an Investigator should be mentioned in thread.

If we discover a player who murdered and attempt to conceal such from the town, we will assume they are aiming for the murderer win condition and lynch them.

Don't be like xvart.

This is a good night to use

Commune.

However, make sure to pick someone who SHOULD have less insanities then you. Here is the list of the claimed insanities that will be present at the time of N3 communes:

Insanities

Andrius (2)
Benmage (4)
El Goosuki (1)
hitogoroshi (1)
kunkstar7 (2)
Seacore (2)
SpyreX (4)
Triglav (1)
Trilobite (1)
VP Baltar (2)
Wickedestjr (2)
Wraith (1)
xvart (1)

Spoiler: What happens if I get an Insanity?

Insanities happen. Maybe you were killed and resuscitated, maybe you got passed a fetish of yourself. Here are the insanities you are

forbidden

from taking N3:

Unacceptable Insanities

Hallucination
Suicidal
Sadism
Denial
Mutilation
Distraction
Necrophilia
Paranoid

Having any of these insanities will be treated as a Cultist/Murderer claim.

In addition, here are some insanities you are encouraged to take:

Acceptable Insanities

Twitchy
Taboo
Solist
Obsession

Remember, you will be claiming any actions that gave you insanities, so

Twitchy

is a solid first insanity for you to take. Twitchy is only detrimental to those who wish to conceal their insanities – you have nothing to hide.

This list will likely be amended as the days pass. Voice ideas for insanity amendments in thread - but do it BEFORE night falls.

Spoiler: Who's robbing which graves?

The final graverobbing targets are these.

Grave Robbers

Furpants: Spyrex, Trilobite
El_G: Spyrex, Seacore

Spoiler: What should be included in my first post of the day?

For your first post, copy and paste this code:

Code: Select all

[area=CD4]
[b]Username:[/b]
[b]Did you Hear Noise?[/b]
[b]Did you Ward? If so, who?[/b]
[b]Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?[/b]
[b]List all of the insanities you currently have:[/b]
[b]Did you [u]successfully[/u] resuscitate? If so, who?[/b]
[b]Were you murdered?[/b]
[b]Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?[/b]
[b]Are you bloody?[/b]
[b]Twitch?[/b]
[/area]

Which will give you this:

CD4

Username:

Did you Hear Noise?

Did you Ward? If so, who?

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

List all of the insanities you currently have:

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

Were you murdered?

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

Are you bloody?

Twitch?

Fill this out and include it in your first post of the day.

A few notes. The "CD4" means "Claims Day 4", and it is there to make it easier to find these posts using ctrl+f. Your username should be written exactly. A successful use of resuscitate is defined as one that leaves you bloody. If your target is targeted by multiple kill actions and dies, it was still a "successful" use because you blocked a kill. The "twitch?" is there as a friendly reminder for those who took the Twitchy insanity. A reminder on the rules of Twitchy:

Twitchy - If you heard Noise the Night before, you are Bloody, gained an Insanity the Night before, or any combination of these, your first post in the thread for the Day must contain *twitch* or *twitches*.

Do not post *twitch* or *twitches* in your first post if you do not have the twitchy insanity or do not meet the prerequisites.

Yes, you can *twitch* even without the insanity, but all it does is create needless ambiguity about whether you have more insanities than claimed or not. This guide was written so we can lynch people who give us these kinds of dilemmas instead of having to play the "are they cult, murderer, or just trying to be cute?" game.

[Furcolow]

xvart fake-stalk used to clarify insanities accrued from crafting multiple fetishes anyone?
i am actually fairly certain he is just that dumb
check out his n1 action where he warded El Goosuki
check out his n0 action where he claimed an action late as fuck which contradicted someone elses
This guy needs to go, he's worse than El Goosuki. At least El Goosuki are inactive enough to not be a hindrance if town. If xvart is town, stalking and killing me, he is actually ANTI-TOWN AS TOWN. It takes one to know one, so I'm calling him out right here.

I know I am usually anti-town in the thread, whereas xvart is composed. I am not going to say I catch scum every single case I push - I don't. I am, however, not a person who just gives into people. I am well above average intelligence, believe it or not, and can make up my own mind on what I do at night in a much better fashion than xvart considering the actions we have both taken and the reasoning behind them. My actions aren't as good as Furpants tom, and you can BET YOUR ASS Trilobite will be the next one the cult kill if he is town (he has a rez kit). The reason they aren't worried about me is because I am an idiot they believe they can get mislynched that will vote incorrectly even if they can't. Too bad if xvart wisens up and doesn't carry through I will actually pull a comeback win for this town.

We need to look heavily into the people who are calling the shots for this town, like VP Baltar/Seacore for instance. I wouldn't be surprised if there were scum who were commandeering the thread considering the amount of investigator lynches (you have to even count MoI here, as they didn't know he was going to be going murderer.... to them he's just "not cult") so people dismissing that are scummy.

Also, guys, look heavily into people who are normally pro-town who aren't really helping out whatsoever (plum, nicodemus)

isoing nicodemus... I read his #4 as distancing himself from a mislynch, and from kunkstar7 who he knows isn't going to be lynched or held accountable for shit (scum-VI) his actions have been voting for town (furpant_tom), and advocating the el goosuki wagon (possible easy mislynch... possibly not... wifom)

WOW PROOF HIS #4 IS EXACTLY I THOUGHT
NICODEMUS WROTE:

Will look at the kunk and MoI cases later today. Initial reads right now give kunk a better chance of scum than MoI, but we'll see.

SEE WHAT HE DID THERE?

his #5 almost reads as an admission of guilt to me

VOTE: Nicodemus

[Wickedestjr]

I forgot the possibility that Furpants rezzed SpyreX. It seems a bit unlikely, but it's not impossible. I also read Feysal's defense, and it makes sense. I don't want to lynch El Goosuki, so...

Vote: kunkstar7

I'll go back to this alternative.