I was going to consolidate and vote Gamma, but I feel odd about two of my scum reads comprising the rest of the wagon.
It's making me think Vax is scum.
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:54 am
by Vaxkiller
In post 3104, JaeReed wrote:DEO wagon had Vax having an awful jump on with a "bought your vote" comment in response to Titus saying Math bought drinks.
Jareed hates jokes. Check.
I just want DEO to consolidate their reads and stop contradicting thier selves (half the head says the think someones scum and the other half doesn't) It's a big deal because every time something comes up, the other head speaks up and says "that was titus/mathblade, that wasn't me"... but it WAS you. You are hive mind, you are hydra.
This is why I want pressure on DEO
If they can't do that, they need to be lynched, because scum!DEO can just keep on skating on through this game this way.
In post 3111, JaeReed wrote:The people asking me to case Vax after I already did so are mostly my townreads + zef I think?
People keep asking for a case because you have nothing.
I went though the rest of your iso and found anything you had to say about me... its all just "Vax is scum" and "I already presented my case"
Here is the one post I could find where you say anything of value... and its all about Vedith, and its all from page 9 and before.
So far it's just what I've noticed early on in the game.
Alright, Gamma scumread around the push on Clemency.
Reasoning: 51 followed by 54 and 56. Hanlon's razor. Titus towncred for 57/59 given that.
By page 5 in my reread I was at Gamma scum, DEO town. Creature and Creeps I was on the fence about as I disliked both of their votes on S_S.
I agreed with 113 and 128
Enter Vedith in 137 with a post that is awful in a way I can't really describe because words. But it's a bad post and there's a reason that I can't articulate right now.
169 still by far the worst hop on I think given Deimos post prior in 154. That said I always misread Klingon and she bubbled KTS and I can't see why she'd do that from a scum perspective. Especially as she's still passing on information from him, which means he trusts her to do so, which means she's not omitting things on him. (Trust is evident in the fact that he's obviously still talking in the PT)
184 again from Vedith is really bad in light of how things have gone down. I don't like the push away from Gamma here. I don't believe it's town motivated, regardless of Gamma's alignment. There's no reasoning why that doesn't make Gamma scum.
205 I again dislike from Vedith. S_S had a clearly expressed scumread on Gamma and possibly on DEO (started with DEO then dropped that in favour of thinking Gamma was the most likely scum on his wagon). I don't like the off-handed dismissal of Gamma being scum without any reason why at all. The reads on Rach and Kuroi are again both dismissive and indicate he doesn't want to read them. Then the characterization of drealmerz in order to justify a scumread there as though people can't have quieter games pings me. The last two lines "The rest, who knows as of yet? Now your turn." comes across as grandstanding. Like he's trying to make a point of "I've been pro-town here".
In post 1860, Vaxkiller wrote:Yeah its hard to read, but for this game he gets a pass because of his role, im pretty much treating him like an innocent child at this point.
VOTE: Vaxkiller
In post 1892, JaeReed wrote:Treating him like an IC for his flavour reveal and the double day which we're not even sure was caused by him is a lazy af read. It deserves a vote while I continue my reread, at the very least.
In post 2004, drealmerz7 wrote:what you did in another game and what you do here only matters as far as comparitive information, it doesn't MEAN anything necessarily
what means more to me is that it struck me that you were being a little fishy (in both senses of the word here) around the lycan kill, almost a little frantic it seemed? and considering I kind of said I was going to kill him, it adds to the fishyness of it that you didn't 'let it be' a bit more
I'm not saying YOU'RE SCUM because of it, but, it's definitely notable and I'd like other ppl's views on it (me having made the kill and knowing what happened with lycan gives me an entirely different view than the rest of you so I might be seeing more than is actually there?)
I mean yes and no. It matters to understand my mindset when I'm scum. There's no guarantee I'll post in exactly the same way but there hasn't been much time passed since then. Which means you either have to believe I can improve in a major way with my mindset in a short amount of time, or I'm just town this time.
And yes, the Lycan kill didn't make sense from scum and would have indicated everything I thought about the gamestate being wrong. I would have left it if I thought it was a vig but the case of a vig with no scum kill isn't one that I see often enough to believe it actually happens lol.
In post 2074, Postie wrote:Idk. I have enough of a townread on you as of 2067 that I'm not going to bother to probe further for now. zefiend has sunk low enough in my reads that I want to vote him instead.
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Or maybe Vax.
God where's the direction in this game I need to reread
I'm more on Vax, but I don't have motivation to push it. I can try to give a soft case if it'll help?
So far it's just what I've noticed early on in the game.
Alright, Gamma scumread around the push on Clemency.
Reasoning: 51 followed by 54 and 56. Hanlon's razor. Titus towncred for 57/59 given that.
By page 5 in my reread I was at Gamma scum, DEO town. Creature and Creeps I was on the fence about as I disliked both of their votes on S_S.
I agreed with 113 and 128
Enter Vedith in 137 with a post that is awful in a way I can't really describe because words. But it's a bad post and there's a reason that I can't articulate right now.
169 still by far the worst hop on I think given Deimos post prior in 154. That said I always misread Klingon and she bubbled KTS and I can't see why she'd do that from a scum perspective. Especially as she's still passing on information from him, which means he trusts her to do so, which means she's not omitting things on him. (Trust is evident in the fact that he's obviously still talking in the PT)
184 again from Vedith is really bad in light of how things have gone down. I don't like the push away from Gamma here. I don't believe it's town motivated, regardless of Gamma's alignment. There's no reasoning why that doesn't make Gamma scum.
205 I again dislike from Vedith. S_S had a clearly expressed scumread on Gamma and possibly on DEO (started with DEO then dropped that in favour of thinking Gamma was the most likely scum on his wagon). I don't like the off-handed dismissal of Gamma being scum without any reason why at all. The reads on Rach and Kuroi are again both dismissive and indicate he doesn't want to read them. Then the characterization of drealmerz in order to justify a scumread there as though people can't have quieter games pings me. The last two lines "The rest, who knows as of yet? Now your turn." comes across as grandstanding. Like he's trying to make a point of "I've been pro-town here".
In post 2108, JaeReed wrote:I'm not sure if it's alignment indicative or just indicative that he's not invested in the game.
my feeling was more that he has been sitting back watching things unfold because of the way the game-state is all weird and shit, but, not speaking for him, that's more my read, and to me that is towny
it doesn't feel lurky-scummy it feels observant-towny, with the bits he's inputed, and yeh, a bit of deimos there are townpings (scumpings too, but, that was an odd involvment from that slot...this is a weird game...)
I think he's just being lazy, personally =P I've seen him put in more effort in most of the games I've seen him play.
In post 2111, The DEO wrote:@JaeReed Looks like you have machine gun instead of a sniper rifle. Focus in top scumread.
I feel like I need those breathing exercises after seeing this.
Remember my case on Vedith? I've asked multiple times what you thought of that and you've always defaulted to talking about Vaxkiller instead. I want your opinion on why what Vedith did D1 and how he positioned himself there and stayed off wagons is in any way town indicative or not scum indicative enough for a vote, please.
In post 3104, JaeReed wrote:So by my count by Page 20 the votes looked like this:
DEO wagon had Vax having an awful jump on with a "bought your vote" comment in response to Titus saying Math bought drinks. Kuroi had a "we need to consolidate votes" jump on, which then tied it with the Vax wagon. drealmerz jumped on during the back and forth.
The DEO (4): Klingoncelt, Vaxkiller, KuroiXHF, drealmerz7
Vaxkiller (3): JaeReed, Gamma Emerald
ɀefiend (1): Creature
Mhsmith0 (1): ɀefiend
Frozen Angel (1): The DEO
Not Voting: Postie, Mhsmith0, Frozen Angel
With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Gonna continue getting an unofficial count up after the latest vote changes.
In post 3110, JaeReed wrote:I really would just prefer Vax. There is too much resistance to that lynch and too much of people ignoring my points then asking for them repeatedly. Counterwagon on my hardest townread DEO popped up to it. Now a counterwagon on Gamma the person voting with me on Vax. But people are saying he's town so :/ iunno. I'll hammer or vote on whoever gets up to a leading wagon that I'm not hard townreading at this point.
In post 3110, JaeReed wrote:I really would just prefer Vax. There is too much resistance to that lynch and too much of people ignoring my points then asking for them repeatedly. Counterwagon on my hardest townread DEO popped up to it. Now a counterwagon on Gamma the person voting with me on Vax. But people are saying he's town so :/ iunno. I'll hammer or vote on whoever gets up to a leading wagon that I'm not hard townreading at this point.
I mean even those points aren't particularly relevant as reasons, actually.
The people asking me to case Vax after I already did so are mostly my townreads + zef I think?
The people doing counterwagon votes outside of my townreads are Klingon and smith only and I think Klingon voted DEO ages ago and hasn't been around much since, so it's really just smith.
Klingoncelts reason for voting me:
In post 3122, Klingoncelt wrote:KTS Scumreads KuroiXHF and Drealm. These two and Vax are the likely Scumteam.
Thats it.
At this point I'm not sure which is scummier to be honest.
Jareed, you keep saying you have something, but you have nothing.
VOTE: Jareed
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:46 am
by Postie
The OMGUS feels vaguely town but dear god both of those posts are pinging the fuck out of me.
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:49 am
by Postie
In post 3128, Vaxkiller wrote:I just want DEO to consolidate their reads and stop contradicting thier selves (half the head says the think someones scum and the other half doesn't) It's a big deal because every time something comes up, the other head speaks up and says "that was titus/mathblade, that wasn't me"... but it WAS you. You are hive mind, you are hydra.
This is why I want pressure on DEO
If they can't do that, they need to be lynched, because scum!DEO can just keep on skating on through this game this way.
I mean
this
is all you could come up with after 126 pages of content? Like really?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:57 am
by Vaxkiller
In post 3133, Postie wrote:I mean this is all you could come up with after 126 pages of content? Like really?
?
I keep trying to read his iso to get a read and I can't. I can't get a read on DEO, because its literally 2 people with 2 opinions.
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:58 am
by Postie
But like, there's really
nothing
else for you to comment on?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:06 am
by JaeReed
I also had the voting point that you left out. And one of those posts had literally nothing to do with you and was about smith, iirc.
No one has been able to tell me why those posts from vedith are not necessarily scum indicative so yeah, that is a case when combined with the voting history. A case which no one has been able to tell me is wrong and scum were ignoring hoping I'd go away so I'm pretty sure I'm right here. The fact that Vax ignored it right up til now is further proof.
In post 3104, JaeReed wrote:DEO wagon had Vax having an awful jump on with a "bought your vote" comment in response to Titus saying Math bought drinks.
Jareed hates jokes. Check.
Jokes with votes while pretending they're the real reason is for RVS.
"Pressure" votes this close to deadline is a vote to deadline lynch the person.
In post 3132, Postie wrote:The OMGUS feels vaguely town but dear god both of those posts are pinging the fuck out of me.
I don't feel any emotion behind the omgus. How are you reading it as town?
Because you're obviously not going to be lynched so it seems silly for him to vote there if he wants to survive. Could just be bad scum though.
So lack of survivalism. That could be town-indicative.
Are you actually against the lynch because of it?
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:16 pm
by Postie
No, not at all. I don't buy that town!Vax walked in here after the billions of pages that were posted since he disappeared and 3128 and 3131 are the only game-relevant things he could think to say.
Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:19 pm
by KuroiXHF
VOTE: VaxVOTE:
We shouldn't ever get this close to the deadline so far from the necessary amount of votes.
