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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:19 pm
by Creature
In post 3111, Kmd4390 wrote:When is it? I'm usually up late.
about 7 hours or less from now?

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:19 pm
by northsidegal
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[3] OkaPoka
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Moongrass , Varsoon , mbaki
[2] mbaki
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DrDolittle , OkaPoka

[2] Not Voting
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Creature , Kmd4390

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch


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Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:20 pm
by Moongrass
I don't understand how you people can't see that Varsoon isn't scum.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:20 pm
by Moongrass
In post 3121, OkaPoka wrote:Moongrass is like a worse version of TTTT
I don't see the similarity.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:22 pm
by OkaPoka
hey can we not lynch me though

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:23 pm
by mbaki
In post 2864, Creature wrote:
In post 2862, Moongrass wrote:Both roles could be bs, which I can see, and which you may have slipped when you said you thought both scum were VT claims.

Your x-shot role doesn't make sense with the UB. Oka's role doesn't make sense full stop. Oka wouldn't leave Suka alone about whether or not she was x-shot. You defended my push on Oka by asking me to prove his role didn't make sense.
My role can be proved if Varsoon targets me

Also, why tf would Oka fakeclaim ascetic if Suka hinted targeting Oka?
Nobody thinks ascetic is a fake claim, as far as I know.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:23 pm
by Creature
In post 3122, Kmd4390 wrote:
In post 2864, Creature wrote:
In post 2862, Moongrass wrote:Both roles could be bs, which I can see, and which you may have slipped when you said you thought both scum were VT claims.

Your x-shot role doesn't make sense with the UB. Oka's role doesn't make sense full stop. Oka wouldn't leave Suka alone about whether or not she was x-shot. You defended my push on Oka by asking me to prove his role didn't make sense.
My role can be proved if Varsoon targets me

Also, why tf would Oka fakeclaim ascetic if Suka hinted targeting Oka?
Could be scum ascetic.
Still ascetic, so not a fakeclaim.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:23 pm
by mbaki
In post 3127, Moongrass wrote:I don't understand how you people can't see that Varsoon isn't scum.
Ahem.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:23 pm
by Creature
In post 3124, northsidegal wrote:
In post 3120, mbaki wrote:
In post 3109, Creature wrote:Would UB inherit ascetic? That would really suck for Varsoon if Oka was the first death.
If Oka is scum aligned and Varsoon is town, this isn't an issue.

I believe they should inherit Ascetic from the same alignment, but I haven't seen that interaction so can't say for sure.
@Mod
could provide the best answer.
A Universal Backup, upon the first death of a power role of the Universal Backup's alignment, inherits that power role for their own use. The term "power role" refers to any non-vanilla role.
What about modifiers?

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:24 pm
by mbaki
In post 3124, northsidegal wrote:
In post 3120, mbaki wrote:
In post 3109, Creature wrote:Would UB inherit ascetic? That would really suck for Varsoon if Oka was the first death.
If Oka is scum aligned and Varsoon is town, this isn't an issue.

I believe they should inherit Ascetic from the same alignment, but I haven't seen that interaction so can't say for sure.
@Mod
could provide the best answer.
A Universal Backup, upon the first death of a power role of the Universal Backup's alignment, inherits that power role for their own use. The term "power role" refers to any non-vanilla role.
Yes, but Ascetic is a modifier and not a role, and it is unclear whether modifiers are also inherited.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:25 pm
by northsidegal
Any modifiers would also be inherited.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:25 pm
by OkaPoka
lynching me is very bad

<insert some AtE and emotional backstory so you all feel bad for me and don't want to lynch me>

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:27 pm
by Creature
In post 3135, northsidegal wrote:
Any modifiers would also be inherited.
would something like town ascetic or macho townie be inheritable?

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:28 pm
by mbaki
In post 3137, Creature wrote:
In post 3135, northsidegal wrote:
Any modifiers would also be inherited.
would something like town ascetic or macho townie be inheritable?
Her answer means yes, ascetic would be inherited.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:30 pm
by Moongrass
In post 3132, mbaki wrote:
In post 3127, Moongrass wrote:I don't understand how you people can't see that Varsoon isn't scum.
Ahem.
There's 3 of them...how?

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:30 pm
by northsidegal
In post 3137, Creature wrote:
In post 3135, northsidegal wrote:
Any modifiers would also be inherited.
would something like town ascetic or macho townie be inheritable?
Yes.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:31 pm
by OkaPoka
well there isnt 4 of us so it doesnt really matter lets get back to talking about how lynching me would be bad and lynching mbaki might be good

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:33 pm
by Kmd4390
In post 3141, OkaPoka wrote:well there isnt 4 of us so it doesnt really matter lets get back to talking about how lynching me would be bad and lynching mbaki might be good
The discussion on Varsoon is still beneficial though because it helps me sort you.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:34 pm
by Creature
So would it make sense to design a setup where universal backup can backup a negative utility (ascetic)?

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:34 pm
by Moongrass
In post 3141, OkaPoka wrote:well there isnt 4 of us so it doesnt really matter lets get back to talking about how lynching me would be bad and lynching mbaki might be good
Oka, both you and Creature can't be town based on your claims. If we aren't lynching you then we lynch Creature.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:35 pm
by Moongrass
In post 3143, Creature wrote:So would it make sense to design a setup where universal backup can backup a negative utility (ascetic)?
Yes if both the ascetic and UB are scum, or they are SvT.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:36 pm
by Creature
So Varsoon/Oka can't be both town?

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:36 pm
by OkaPoka
kmd ive made enough posts about varsoon and i dont feel like making more so sucks to suck but yeah im not in the mood for that

and gs+jk+vig+voyeur was way too townsided so we should lynch one and shoot the other and yeah and so on and things

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:37 pm
by mbaki
In post 3143, Creature wrote:So would it make sense to design a setup where universal backup can backup a negative utility (ascetic)?
If you want to get really technical:

1) your two shot role doesn't fit a setup with no other x-shot roles.
2) Varsoon backing up Ascetic, and then either role confirming he is Ascetic could theoretically soft confirm him as town.
3) the above also applies to Commuter, so from your POV this is true either way.

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:38 pm
by mbaki
In post 3145, Moongrass wrote:
In post 3143, Creature wrote:So would it make sense to design a setup where universal backup can backup a negative utility (ascetic)?
Yes if both the ascetic and UB are scum, or they are SvT.
You disagree both can theoretically be town?

Because yo, Creature's role fills the same untargetable function as Oka. I don't think that's how we solve this and if that's why you want Oka over Creature then meh.