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Iconeum (0) :

iamausername (1) : bob3141

Datisi (0) :

bob3141 (1) : iamausername

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Not Voting (5) : Iconeum ; TheGoldenParadox ; Noraa ; Datisi ; Alonzo

In post 3114, Datisi wrote:i'm like, reading along, and trying to make sense of what is happening

the response to 3112 would be: i don't think so??? i think the issue there is, you have nice roles of ascetic indecisive doc and 3-shot novice vig. they're gated, but they're still PRs of ~decent strength.

then you have vanillacop/mailman and rolewatcher neighbour, which sound cool, but are like "here's your fun toy, if you manage to get one useful result with it, consider yourself lucky"

like against 3 goons, i could maaaaybe see this setup as being scumsided, but not unpassable. with a scum weird vanilla/TA hybrid flipped, i don't think it's enough?

wdym because of night actions?

i meant so prs could coordinate their night actions.
i think both SS and schadd would be willing to defy meta a tiny bit and make the setup somewhat scumsided. neighbors are usually nai, but the neighbors in this game are both town prs and by nature fairly easily confirmable to each other and thus... maybe kind of turn into masons? which would make the setup pretty balanced. without bob!follower. hm.

ico will definitely be targeted tonight, so to be completely honest there's absolutely no reason nora should shoot in any case. i think we should lim alonzo today and go from there, but i would also be okay with an iaaun flip.

In post 3114, Datisi wrote: then you have vanillacop/mailman and rolewatcher neighbour, which sound cool, but are like "here's your fun toy, if you manage to get one useful result with it, consider yourself lucky"

i agree that rolewatcher is pretty damn weak, but i feel like maybe you're underrating the power of combined mailman/vanilla cop? obviously BM completely botched it here, and i'm not even sure how i'd go about unlocking the full potential of the role but i think that potential is there?

idk, i'm just having such a hard time seeing Datisi/Alonzo as the scum team, and that literally has to be it if bob is town.

maybe i am blinded by confbias. maybe the fellow thing is just a weird coincidence, maybe the fact that Follower is the only claimed/flipped role that isn't an incomprehensible word salad is not meaningful. maybe bob genuinely does believe that Mena's spam posting on D1 both did and did not make a shelly execution completely inevitable.

but i don't think so.

@ GYPYX

How's that Ico prod doing?

In post 3127, iamausername wrote:maybe bob genuinely does believe that Mena's spam posting on D1 both did and did not make a shelly execution completely inevitable.

i should probably actually make the post i am referencing here before i reference it, sorry.

in 3068, bob claims that my D1 teacher vote was meaningless because Mena had started hyperposting when i made it, so there was no way that anyone but shelly was getting executed D1.

in 3070, bob also claims that he would have dismantled the shelly wagon himself after the point where Mena started hyperposting, if only Bunno and Alonzo hadn't recklessly quickhammered before he had the chance.

these two positions seem difficult to reconcile. and also, conveniently, both serve to distance bob from taking any responsibility for the town execution that he voted for on D1.

In post 3126, TheGoldenParadox wrote:i think both SS and schadd would be willing to defy meta a tiny bit and make the setup somewhat scumsided. neighbors are usually nai, but the neighbors in this game are both town prs and by nature fairly easily confirmable to each other and thus... maybe kind of turn into masons? which would make the setup pretty balanced. without bob!follower. hm.

ico will definitely be targeted tonight, so to be completely honest there's absolutely no reason nora should shoot in any case. i think we should lim alonzo today and go from there, but i would also be okay with an iaaun flip.

perhaps. i remember what happened last time i towncleared someone purely for their claimed role in a schadd-reviewed setup.

key-word being *purely*, though. i've been gut-townreading bob the whole game and i'm willing to lowkey BoP myself there for the time being?

i don't see how those roles are confirmable to each other though? like, neither ico being ascetic nor mena seeing a doctor action on whoever ico calls it wouldn't actually be clearing because both a doc and an ascetic/commuter (or shit, even scum roleblocker blocking menal for the ascetic effect) are like, semi-common scum roles, especially considering there's a vig in game

the only way they turn into "masons" is if a scum traffic-analyst flips. maybe i'm being old-fashioned in my thoughts of "scum should protect their PRs" or like make sure their flip doen't happen first, but i don't know if games are balanced with that speciifc thing in mind

In post 3128, Alonzo wrote:@ GYPYX

How's that Ico prod doing?

Roger.

In post 3127, iamausername wrote:i agree that rolewatcher is pretty damn weak, but i feel like maybe you're underrating the power of combined mailman/vanilla cop? obviously BM completely botched it here, and i'm not even sure how i'd go about unlocking the full potential of the role but i think that potential is there?

i mean, the way i'm looking at it is vanilla-cop is most useful in massclaim to maybe catch someone in a lie, while a mailman is a nice bonus that doesn't actually... *do* anything +EV for town. like if there's some 9000+IQ strategy of playing this specific role, i don't know if the game would be balanced around that, because afaik it's usually assumed that most of the playerlist won't be mechanical geniuses

no real scum negative utility roles can be in a normal, right? i would guess the greatest extent it would be possible is what we got with the teacher flip, where the neighbors became basically masons.

there's no way the setup could have been balanced around the neighbors turning into masons unless EVERY member of the scumteam was an odd night traffic analyst, which seems so defiant of current site meta i don't see it being the case at all.

vanilla cop is a weak neapolitan, which is a slightly weaker gunsmith, which is a weaker cop. eyeballing it i'd call a vanilla cop as maybe 40-50% the worth of a cop, nowhere near a real pr. at best, it generates two or three results which is good for countering scum fakeclaims but poor for basically anything else. mailman is a weaker neighborizer, which i believe has generally been considered almost if not completely useless to town.

i don't see it. i don't see a world where bob is scum here. i think dats was right when he said the fellow thing was almost if not completely nai.

sigh. VOTE: alonzo this is scum, but i'm completely lost as to who the third member of the scumteam is. i'll reread teacher's interactions.

come on dats you ninja'ed me lmao

In post 3129, iamausername wrote:in 3070, bob also claims that he would have dismantled the shelly wagon himself after the point where Mena started hyperposting, if only Bunno and Alonzo hadn't recklessly quickhammered before he had the chance.

i... don't think he's saying that? like he said he would've unvoted, not Dismantled The Whole Wagon All By Himself. which is like, something i heavily Feel, since at the time i myself was waffling between shelly and teacher, and she got hammered almost out of nowhere.

pedit:

I mean, you're persistent @TGP.

I have to assume your partner is in Bob / Iaaun. Given how scatty you've been in the last 48 hours...

In post 3134, TheGoldenParadox wrote:eyeballing it i'd call a vanilla cop as maybe 40-50% the worth of a cop, nowhere near a real pr.

my only objection to your post would be that i would put a town vanilla cop at like 15-25% of an full town cop but i don't think that's actually *that* relevant right now

85 pages was plenty for day one.

No good ballaching about shoulda/coulda/ woulda

if you're town, attacking me is not the way to go when i'm pseudoconfirmed.

let's go with alonzo today, noraa can holster tonight while bob tracks one of {user/dats}

In post 3138, Datisi wrote:

In post 3134, TheGoldenParadox wrote:eyeballing it i'd call a vanilla cop as maybe 40-50% the worth of a cop, nowhere near a real pr.

my only objection to your post would be that i would put a town vanilla cop at like 15-25% of an full town cop but i don't think that's actually *that* relevant right now

i'll defer to you there because you're more experienced than i am but if this is an outright scum lie that i'm just not smart enough to see i'm going to be quite annoyed

dats, nora, iaaun, bob, want to join me on alonzo?

(before Ico gets here and tells you you've all been very naughty)

Or maybe you already know icos down to clown?

In post 3141, TheGoldenParadox wrote:

In post 3138, Datisi wrote:

In post 3134, TheGoldenParadox wrote:eyeballing it i'd call a vanilla cop as maybe 40-50% the worth of a cop, nowhere near a real pr.

my only objection to your post would be that i would put a town vanilla cop at like 15-25% of an full town cop but i don't think that's actually *that* relevant right now

i'll defer to you there because you're more experienced than i am but if this is an outright scum lie that i'm just not smart enough to see i'm going to be quite annoyed

hey, my most recently run setup has been spit at as townsided while i genuinely thought it was scumsided, so

In post 3140, TheGoldenParadox wrote:if you're town, attacking me is not the way to go when i'm pseudoconfirmed.

let's go with alonzo today, noraa can holster tonight while bob tracks one of {user/dats}

you know what, this is a guaranteed win if we make the assumption that {Ico, TGP, Noraa} are all town and Alonzo is scum.

if bob claims a guilty on me/Datisi, we execute him and his guilty in whatever order.
if he claims an inno, we execute him and the other person in whatever order.

i'm definitely happy assuming the townblock, at least.

Assumption!!!!!

Love it.

hey if we assume that bob is scum, bob is scum you guys

that;s my case now
deal with it

Careful what you wish for my British chum.